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MaverickNH

[K3S] JT65-HF Beginner

I'm coming to JT65-HF as a beginner, looking to setup and use it with my K3S, and have a few questions. Note I have HRD installed as well.

1. Should I start with the original V1.0.93 or the HB9HQX V4.9.4?
2. PTT via CAT command or PTT Port to use K3S sound card?

Just to start...

Bret/N4SRN

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Re: [K3S] JT65-HF Beginner

I tried for months to get mine working, used this link and had it working in 5 minutes and a few clicks!
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-yBKo9Fr1NmwG4AaV0jiI6LbtiMysYGVLPqw2LDG8kM/edit?pref=2&pli=1#
73 Dave -N4DB-
On Saturday, May 27, 2017, 10:22:05 AM EDT, MaverickNH <[hidden email]> wrote:I'm coming to JT65-HF as a beginner, looking to setup and use it with my K3S,
and have a few questions. Note I have HRD installed as well.

1. Should I start with the original V1.0.93 or the HB9HQX V4.9.4?
2. PTT via CAT command or PTT Port to use K3S sound card?

Just to start...

Bret/N4SRN

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Don Wilhelm

Re: [K3S] JT65-HF Beginner

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Bret,

Look at and follow the setup instructions at:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-yBKo9Fr1NmwG4AaV0jiI6LbtiMysYGVLPqw2LDG8kM/pub

Be certain to use DATA A and adjust the audio level to produce 4 bars on
the ALC meter with the 5th bar flickering. Set the desired power with
the POWER knob. This is important for proper power control. The
Elecraft transceivers control power differently than other transceivers,
so ignore the common internet advice to control power with the audio level.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/27/2017 10:17 AM, MaverickNH wrote:

> I'm coming to JT65-HF as a beginner, looking to setup and use it with my K3S,
> and have a few questions. Note I have HRD installed as well.
>
> 1. Should I start with the original V1.0.93 or the HB9HQX V4.9.4?
> 2. PTT via CAT command or PTT Port to use K3S sound card?
>
> Just to start...
>
> Bret/N4SRN
>
>
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MaverickNH

Re: [K3S] JT65-HF Beginner

Some of that on setting up WSJT-X in JT-65 will probably help me with JT65-HF setup, but I'm not sure if you had noted that is a different app(s)?

http://jt65-hf.com/downloads/
https://sourceforge.net/projects/jt65hfhb9hqxedi/?source=navbar

Bret/N4SRN

Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: [K3S] JT65-HF Beginner

You are far better off starting with WSJT-X than using JT65-HF which is
obsolete. WSJT-X provides better decoding than and of the JT65-HF forks
and also support JT9 which is even more sensitive (and uses less
bandwidth) than JT65.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 5/27/2017 11:27 AM, MaverickNH wrote:

> Some of that on setting up WSJT-X in JT-65 will probably help me with JT65-HF
> setup, but I'm not sure if you had noted that is a different app(s)?
>
> http://jt65-hf.com/downloads/
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/jt65hfhb9hqxedi/?source=navbar
>
> Bret/N4SRN
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MaverickNH

Re: [K3S] JT65-HF Beginner

I'll take the advice and use WSJT-X JT65/JT9. I have it up and running on RX and have to read up before I toss a TX out there. Thanks!

Bret/N4SRN

Jim Brown-10

Re: [K3S] JT65-HF Beginner

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I've been using JT modes for about six years. You should ONLY use
WSJT-X, which is the software developed under the supervision of WSJT
inventor (and Nobel laureate) K1JT. All other versions are derived from
his earlier work, and most are unauthorized. His software is the best.

https://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/k1jt/wsjtx.html

73, Jim K9YC

On Sat,5/27/2017 7:17 AM, MaverickNH wrote:

Richard Lamont

Re: [K3S] JT65-HF Beginner

On 27/05/17 21:37, Jim Brown wrote:

> I've been using JT modes for about six years. You should ONLY use
> WSJT-X, which is the software developed under the supervision of WSJT
> inventor (and Nobel laureate) K1JT. All other versions are derived from
> his earlier work, and most are unauthorized. His software is the best.

I agree with all of that, except the 'unauthorized' bit. All the
derivatives are authorized by K1JT's decision to release his source code
under the GNU General Public License (GPL).

His intention in doing so was presumably to attract developers to the
project rather than facilitate a plethora of half-baked forks.

These 'me too' knock-offs contain typically 99% source code from WSJT-X.
They variously offer (1) a reduced subset of functionality, (2) 'deep
decode' at the cost of more frequent erroneous decodes, (3)
inappropriate use of VHF-only features on HF, and (4) balkanized on-air
protocols with badly-thought-out and incompatible modifications.

As Jim said, you should ONLY use WSJT-X. It is developed by a team of
very clever people.

It's also worth following [hidden email] - it's an excellent
forum/list with frequent posts from the lead developers.

73,
Richard G4DYA

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Jim Brown-10

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On Sun,5/28/2017 12:18 AM, Richard Lamont wrote:
> I agree with all of that, except the 'unauthorized' bit.

Joe has posted on that topic. The executive summary is that he is not
happy with the way in which some of those other developers have failed
to respect his license.

73, Jim K9YC

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Kevin - K4VD

Re: [K3S] JT65-HF Beginner

I like WSJT-X but I use JTDX as much or more. It adds some interesting
features to the decoding. WSJT-X interface is a little more polished but
JTDX isn't bad.

Read about different versions and try them out before discounting them
because someone says so.

73,
Kev K4VD

On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 3:38 AM, Jim Brown <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> On Sun,5/28/2017 12:18 AM, Richard Lamont wrote:
>
>> I agree with all of that, except the 'unauthorized' bit.
>>
>
> Joe has posted on that topic. The executive summary is that he is not
> happy with the way in which some of those other developers have failed to
> respect his license.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
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kstover

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Big point.

Once he releases the source code under GPL he has no recourse. These
developers can take his source code, do exactly what they want to it,
and don't even have to change the name of the application.

If the program was written with GPL tools, compilers, libraries, dll's,
etc..., as WSJT-X was, he is required to release the code.

He can charge for bis version of the program and charge for support. He
does have control over what makes it into his version. Other than that nope.

<sarcasm> It's about time Elecraft released their code under GPL so
pimple faced kids living in Mom's basement with no visible means of
support, can write "some really cool stuff" for the Elecraft products.
</sarcasm>

On 5/28/2017 2:38 AM, Jim Brown wrote:

> On Sun,5/28/2017 12:18 AM, Richard Lamont wrote:
>> I agree with all of that, except the 'unauthorized' bit.
>
> Joe has posted on that topic. The executive summary is that he is not
> happy with the way in which some of those other developers have failed
> to respect his license.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
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David Woolley (E.L)

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Using a GPLed compiler and most of the GPL tools doesn't result in a
requirement to licence under the GPL. In particularly, gcc is often
used to compile proprietary code.

Using GPL libraries does, except where those libraries implement
functions that would normally be included with an operating system (e.g.
the standard C library).

Some tools put a significant amount of template code into the output,
but those are normally licensed under LGPL, rather than GPL.

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On 28/05/17 16:32, Kevin Stover, AC0H wrote:
> If the program was written with GPL tools, compilers, libraries, dll's,
> etc..., as WSJT-X was, he is required to release the code.

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MaverickNH

Re: [K3S] JT65-HF Beginner

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OK - on WSJT-X working well. MIC Gain adjusted to 4bbars and 5th flickering. How best to adjust lower left dB bar? I'm leaving the pointer in the middle and adjusting to 30 with RF Gain knob but that seems to require constant tweaks.

Bret/N4SRN

Don Wilhelm

Re: [K3S] JT65-HF Beginner

Bret,

You may have better luck with running the RF Gain full and adjusting
with the AF gain. That way the RX AGC will smooth out variations in the
signal level.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/2/2017 9:09 AM, MaverickNH wrote:
> OK - on WSJT-X working well. MIC Gain adjusted to 4bbars and 5th flickering.
> How best to adjust lower left dB bar? I'm leaving the pointer in the middle
> and adjusting to 30 with RF Gain knob but that seems to require constant
> tweaks.
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Richard Ferch-2

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If you are using Line Out with a fixed gain setting to feed audio to
WSJT-X, adjusting the AF control will not do anything. What I do is leave
my RF gain control at its normal position (around 3 o'clock) and use the
slider at the lower left in the WSJT-X window to compensate for gain
variations.

73,
Rich VE3KI

W3FPR wrote:

> Bret,
>
> You may have better luck with running the RF Gain full and adjusting
> with the AF gain. That way the RX AGC will smooth out variations in the
> signal level.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 6/2/2017 9:09 AM, MaverickNH wrote:
> > OK - on WSJT-X working well. MIC Gain adjusted to 4bbars and 5th flickering.
> > How best to adjust lower left dB bar? I'm leaving the pointer in the middle
> > and adjusting to 30 with RF Gain knob but that seems to require constant
> > tweaks.