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Doug Person-5
I didn't see any comparison chart for the K3S and the IC-7610.  I did
see the comparison of the K3S with the IC-7300. This made me laugh. By
the time you add up the required options for the K3S to achieve feature
parity with the IC-7300 it costs 3 times as much. This actually makes
the IC-7300 look like a really good deal. The IC-7300 is, after all, an
entry level radio.

I'll never stop being impressed by the ability of the K3/K3S. But, to
me, it is no longer cost competitive. The only advantage the K3S has
today is it has one of the best receivers. I doubt this advantage will
last much longer.

Doug -- KJ0F

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Re: K3S VS: IC-7300

Doug Turnbull
Friends,
    There are some other points not mentioned.   Yes, I agree the K3 is
pricy but the performance is there.   However for most things the IC-7300
does a grand job as does the TD590s.    For now and for some considerable
time in the past though the K3 has had a superior receiver good in contests
and with high power neighbours.

     Other K3/S advantages:
1)Modular construction allows one to only purchase what is relevant to your
needs and to build the radio up over time if desired.   This also
facilitates repair as modules can be swapped or sent back to California.
No need to send the entire radio.   Elecraft if you make a new radio in the
future try to maintain this modular approach.

2) Just what type of support does one get from Icom?   I very much doubt
there is an equal forum with the designers involved.    Support from the
factory in getting questions answered is also excellent.

3)More attention should be given to the clean output signal of the K3.

4)I wonder if the facilitation of digimodes by the 7610 is the equal of the
K3/S.

5) There is a very full line of accessories for the Elecraft line and again
all of this is modular.

6) The ability to at least assemble the radio gives the owner of a kit built
radio a better understanding as to operation and trouble shooting if ever
needed.   It also saves on import duties into the EU.

      Maybe Wayne should toot Elecrafts horn for these advantages as well.
Again though you can work DX with an old FTDX 100 or Drake 2B with Johnson
Ranger at much lower cost it will not be so well facilitated.   The fully
equipped K3 is not an inexpensive radio it is a Porsche of the radio world.

       I can not imagine a company better than Elecraft to deal with though
I understand that Flex is pretty good and so to has TenTec been in the past.
Are they as good - this is hard for me to believe.

                   73 Doug EI2CN

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Subject: [Elecraft] K3S VS: IC-7300

I didn't see any comparison chart for the K3S and the IC-7610.  I did
see the comparison of the K3S with the IC-7300. This made me laugh. By
the time you add up the required options for the K3S to achieve feature
parity with the IC-7300 it costs 3 times as much. This actually makes
the IC-7300 look like a really good deal. The IC-7300 is, after all, an
entry level radio.

I'll never stop being impressed by the ability of the K3/K3S. But, to
me, it is no longer cost competitive. The only advantage the K3S has
today is it has one of the best receivers. I doubt this advantage will
last much longer.

Doug -- KJ0F

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Re: K3S VS: IC-7300

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My experience with technical support from Icom, .. most emails go
unanswered.  Phone calls get resolved.  Very little feedback for firmware
updates or issues.
My experience with Yaesu, some of the most rude and condescending support
staff anywhere. Horrible to deal with.  Everything is "send in the radio".
My experience with Elecraft, top notch, always want to help, sometimes slow
firmware updates, but always proportional to the number of requests.

Ergonomics:  Feel of controls, and quality of controls: Yaeus first,
followed by Icom, then Elecraft.  Using a FTDX-5000 is just real pleasure.

73 Tom
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To: 'Doug Person' ; [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S VS: IC-7300

Friends,
    There are some other points not mentioned.   Yes, I agree the K3 is
pricy but the performance is there.   However for most things the IC-7300
does a grand job as does the TD590s.    For now and for some considerable
time in the past though the K3 has had a superior receiver good in contests
and with high power neighbours.

     Other K3/S advantages:
1)Modular construction allows one to only purchase what is relevant to your
needs and to build the radio up over time if desired.   This also
facilitates repair as modules can be swapped or sent back to California.
No need to send the entire radio.   Elecraft if you make a new radio in the
future try to maintain this modular approach.

2) Just what type of support does one get from Icom?   I very much doubt
there is an equal forum with the designers involved.    Support from the
factory in getting questions answered is also excellent.

3)More attention should be given to the clean output signal of the K3.

4)I wonder if the facilitation of digimodes by the 7610 is the equal of the
K3/S.

5) There is a very full line of accessories for the Elecraft line and again
all of this is modular.

6) The ability to at least assemble the radio gives the owner of a kit built
radio a better understanding as to operation and trouble shooting if ever
needed.   It also saves on import duties into the EU.

      Maybe Wayne should toot Elecrafts horn for these advantages as well.
Again though you can work DX with an old FTDX 100 or Drake 2B with Johnson
Ranger at much lower cost it will not be so well facilitated.   The fully
equipped K3 is not an inexpensive radio it is a Porsche of the radio world.

       I can not imagine a company better than Elecraft to deal with though
I understand that Flex is pretty good and so to has TenTec been in the past.
Are they as good - this is hard for me to believe.

                   73 Doug EI2CN

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Subject: [Elecraft] K3S VS: IC-7300

I didn't see any comparison chart for the K3S and the IC-7610.  I did
see the comparison of the K3S with the IC-7300. This made me laugh. By
the time you add up the required options for the K3S to achieve feature
parity with the IC-7300 it costs 3 times as much. This actually makes
the IC-7300 look like a really good deal. The IC-7300 is, after all, an
entry level radio.

I'll never stop being impressed by the ability of the K3/K3S. But, to
me, it is no longer cost competitive. The only advantage the K3S has
today is it has one of the best receivers. I doubt this advantage will
last much longer.

Doug -- KJ0F

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K3S VS: IC-7300

Bob McGraw - K4TAX
 From my take and experience comparing the K3S and the IC-7300:

(A)   Both are ham radios.

(B)

(C)

End of comparison.

73
  Bob, K4TAX

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Re: K3S VS: IC-7300

Clay Autery-2
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I tried a friend's IC-7300 out....  OK for the money, but I would not
trade my Elecraft for ALL the money I paid for it PLUS a FREE IC-7300.

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On 04-Jul-18 12:11, Doug Person wrote:

> I didn't see any comparison chart for the K3S and the IC-7610.  I did
> see the comparison of the K3S with the IC-7300. This made me laugh. By
> the time you add up the required options for the K3S to achieve
> feature parity with the IC-7300 it costs 3 times as much. This
> actually makes the IC-7300 look like a really good deal. The IC-7300
> is, after all, an entry level radio.
>
> I'll never stop being impressed by the ability of the K3/K3S. But, to
> me, it is no longer cost competitive. The only advantage the K3S has
> today is it has one of the best receivers. I doubt this advantage will
> last much longer.
>
> Doug -- KJ0F
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Re: K3S VS: IC-7300

Bill-4
I asked a similar question awhile back. The fact that I still do not
have a 7300 may indicate the results of my fact finding.

My reasoning is simple: The K3 is a great radio, certainly part of the
equation. The Elecraft product support is the other part of the equation.

I have been there and done that with the other manufacturers and I have
no desire to attempt to work with them again. Life is too short to have
to deal with rudeness, shoddy workmanship, outright lies, and total lack
of customer respect. I have experienced same with the big three and Flex.

Happy 4th of July!

Bill W2BLC K-Line


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Re: K3S VS: IC-7300

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On 7/4/2018 10:40 AM, Doug Turnbull wrote:
> Friends,
>      There are some other points not mentioned.   Yes, I agree the K3 is
> pricy but the performance is there.   However for most things the IC-7300
> does a grand job as does the TD590s.    For now and for some considerable
> time in the past though the K3 has had a superior receiver good in contests
> and with high power neighbours.
As I said - I agree that the K3 has a superior receiver. It's noticeable
but not a dramatic difference however.
>       Other K3/S advantages:
> 1)Modular construction allows one to only purchase what is relevant to your
> needs and to build the radio up over time if desired.   This also
> facilitates repair as modules can be swapped or sent back to California.
> No need to send the entire radio.   Elecraft if you make a new radio in the
> future try to maintain this modular approach.
Modular has its advantages. However, the IC-7300 comes well featured
already, e.g., 100 watts, spectrum display, built-in tuner ( mine does
much better than 3:1), effective digital filters, voice recorder for
receiving and sending.
> 2) Just what type of support does one get from Icom?   I very much doubt
> there is an equal forum with the designers involved.    Support from the
> factory in getting questions answered is also excellent.
Perhaps you haven't had an opportunity to need support from Icom - thus
you are speculating.

> 3)More attention should be given to the clean output signal of the K3.
>
> 4)I wonder if the facilitation of digimodes by the 7610 is the equal of the
> K3/S.
>
> 5) There is a very full line of accessories for the Elecraft line and again
> all of this is modular.
>
> 6) The ability to at least assemble the radio gives the owner of a kit built
> radio a better understanding as to operation and trouble shooting if ever
> needed.   It also saves on import duties into the EU.
One can describe the K3s as a kit if they like. The K2 is a real kit.
>        Maybe Wayne should toot Elecrafts horn for these advantages as well.
> Again though you can work DX with an old FTDX 100 or Drake 2B with Johnson
> Ranger at much lower cost it will not be so well facilitated.   The fully
> equipped K3 is not an inexpensive radio it is a Porsche of the radio world.
I have, in fact, done that with those. As well as operated a K3 since it
was first released. Mine was one of the first 2000 or so. I'm not
knocking it.
>         I can not imagine a company better than Elecraft to deal with though
> I understand that Flex is pretty good and so to has TenTec been in the past.
> Are they as good - this is hard for me to believe.
Ten-Tec has been (past tense since they pretty much don't exist at the
moment) great. No argument regarding the involvement of Wayne and Eric
in this group. Flex engineers are also pretty active and responsive. But
they are just following Elecraft's lead.

>                     73 Doug EI2CN
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Doug Person
> Sent: 04 July 2018 17:11
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3S VS: IC-7300
>
> I didn't see any comparison chart for the K3S and the IC-7610.  I did
> see the comparison of the K3S with the IC-7300. This made me laugh. By
> the time you add up the required options for the K3S to achieve feature
> parity with the IC-7300 it costs 3 times as much. This actually makes
> the IC-7300 look like a really good deal. The IC-7300 is, after all, an
> entry level radio.
>
> I'll never stop being impressed by the ability of the K3/K3S. But, to
> me, it is no longer cost competitive. The only advantage the K3S has
> today is it has one of the best receivers. I doubt this advantage will
> last much longer.
>
> Doug -- KJ0F
>
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Re: K3S VS: IC-7300

Doug Person-5
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Well your experience is much different than mine. I enjoy all the brands
just as I enjoy many brands of guitars, telescopes, and cars.

None have been as responsive as Elecraft. But, I certainly haven't been
subjected to rudeness or condescension (the latter would be a serious
mistake on anyone's part.)

I have nice examples of all the brands and I have my favorites.

The "Man/Machine" interface as an engineering challenge is always
fascinating.

Doug -- KJ0F


On 7/4/2018 11:10 AM, Tom wrote:

> My experience with technical support from Icom, .. most emails go
> unanswered.  Phone calls get resolved.  Very little feedback for
> firmware updates or issues.
> My experience with Yaesu, some of the most rude and condescending
> support staff anywhere. Horrible to deal with.  Everything is "send in
> the radio".
> My experience with Elecraft, top notch, always want to help, sometimes
> slow firmware updates, but always proportional to the number of requests.
>
> Ergonomics:  Feel of controls, and quality of controls: Yaeus first,
> followed by Icom, then Elecraft.  Using a FTDX-5000 is just real
> pleasure.
>
> 73 Tom
> va2fsq.com
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Doug Turnbull
> Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2018 1:40 PM
> To: 'Doug Person' ; [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S VS: IC-7300
>
> Friends,
>    There are some other points not mentioned.   Yes, I agree the K3 is
> pricy but the performance is there.   However for most things the IC-7300
> does a grand job as does the TD590s.    For now and for some considerable
> time in the past though the K3 has had a superior receiver good in
> contests
> and with high power neighbours.
>
>     Other K3/S advantages:
> 1)Modular construction allows one to only purchase what is relevant to
> your
> needs and to build the radio up over time if desired.   This also
> facilitates repair as modules can be swapped or sent back to California.
> No need to send the entire radio.   Elecraft if you make a new radio
> in the
> future try to maintain this modular approach.
>
> 2) Just what type of support does one get from Icom?   I very much doubt
> there is an equal forum with the designers involved.    Support from the
> factory in getting questions answered is also excellent.
>
> 3)More attention should be given to the clean output signal of the K3.
>
> 4)I wonder if the facilitation of digimodes by the 7610 is the equal
> of the
> K3/S.
>
> 5) There is a very full line of accessories for the Elecraft line and
> again
> all of this is modular.
>
> 6) The ability to at least assemble the radio gives the owner of a kit
> built
> radio a better understanding as to operation and trouble shooting if ever
> needed.   It also saves on import duties into the EU.
>
>      Maybe Wayne should toot Elecrafts horn for these advantages as well.
> Again though you can work DX with an old FTDX 100 or Drake 2B with
> Johnson
> Ranger at much lower cost it will not be so well facilitated. The fully
> equipped K3 is not an inexpensive radio it is a Porsche of the radio
> world.
>
>       I can not imagine a company better than Elecraft to deal with
> though
> I understand that Flex is pretty good and so to has TenTec been in the
> past.
> Are they as good - this is hard for me to believe.
>
>                   73 Doug EI2CN
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Doug Person
> Sent: 04 July 2018 17:11
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3S VS: IC-7300
>
> I didn't see any comparison chart for the K3S and the IC-7610.  I did
> see the comparison of the K3S with the IC-7300. This made me laugh. By
> the time you add up the required options for the K3S to achieve feature
> parity with the IC-7300 it costs 3 times as much. This actually makes
> the IC-7300 look like a really good deal. The IC-7300 is, after all, an
> entry level radio.
>
> I'll never stop being impressed by the ability of the K3/K3S. But, to
> me, it is no longer cost competitive. The only advantage the K3S has
> today is it has one of the best receivers. I doubt this advantage will
> last much longer.
>
> Doug -- KJ0F
>
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Re: K3S VS: IC-7300

Doug Person-5
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I think the point was that a comparison between the two isn't
meaningful. I think (based on experience as an early adopter of both)
that the IC-7300 is outstanding bit of kit for the money.

The K3x performance is a bargain when compared to other company's
top-end radios.

Doug -- KJ0F


On 7/4/2018 11:23 AM, Clay Autery wrote:

> I tried a friend's IC-7300 out....  OK for the money, but I would not
> trade my Elecraft for ALL the money I paid for it PLUS a FREE IC-7300.
>
> ______________________
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> (318) 518-1389
>
> On 04-Jul-18 12:11, Doug Person wrote:
>> I didn't see any comparison chart for the K3S and the IC-7610.  I did
>> see the comparison of the K3S with the IC-7300. This made me laugh.
>> By the time you add up the required options for the K3S to achieve
>> feature parity with the IC-7300 it costs 3 times as much. This
>> actually makes the IC-7300 look like a really good deal. The IC-7300
>> is, after all, an entry level radio.
>>
>> I'll never stop being impressed by the ability of the K3/K3S. But, to
>> me, it is no longer cost competitive. The only advantage the K3S has
>> today is it has one of the best receivers. I doubt this advantage
>> will last much longer.
>>
>> Doug -- KJ0F
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K3S VS: IC-7300

AD1AD
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I am not very active with this mail reflector but want to make a small
comment here.  I had both radios (but not any more) and currently own K1,
K2 and KX3. K3 is a great radio and K3S must be even better, but 7300 isn’t
too bad even compared to K3S. When I consider the cost difference, 7300 is
an awesome radio for an average guy like me.

When I am not happy with service quality with those three Japanese
companies, there are always good alternatives like N1EQ. I always give 5
stars to Elecraft, but it isn’t obviously for everyone.

DE AD1AD Chris

On Wednesday, July 4, 2018, Doug Person <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> On 7/4/2018 10:40 AM, Doug Turnbull wrote:
>
>> Friends,
>>      There are some other points not mentioned.   Yes, I agree the K3 is
>> pricy but the performance is there.   However for most things the IC-7300
>> does a grand job as does the TD590s.    For now and for some considerable
>> time in the past though the K3 has had a superior receiver good in
>> contests
>> and with high power neighbours.
>>
> As I said - I agree that the K3 has a superior receiver. It's noticeable
> but not a dramatic difference however.
>
>>       Other K3/S advantages:
>> 1)Modular construction allows one to only purchase what is relevant to
>> your
>> needs and to build the radio up over time if desired.   This also
>> facilitates repair as modules can be swapped or sent back to California.
>> No need to send the entire radio.   Elecraft if you make a new radio in
>> the
>> future try to maintain this modular approach.
>>
> Modular has its advantages. However, the IC-7300 comes well featured
> already, e.g., 100 watts, spectrum display, built-in tuner ( mine does much
> better than 3:1), effective digital filters, voice recorder for receiving
> and sending.
>
>> 2) Just what type of support does one get from Icom?   I very much doubt
>> there is an equal forum with the designers involved.    Support from the
>> factory in getting questions answered is also excellent.
>>
> Perhaps you haven't had an opportunity to need support from Icom - thus
> you are speculating.
>
>> 3)More attention should be given to the clean output signal of the K3.
>>
>> 4)I wonder if the facilitation of digimodes by the 7610 is the equal of
>> the
>> K3/S.
>>
>> 5) There is a very full line of accessories for the Elecraft line and
>> again
>> all of this is modular.
>>
>> 6) The ability to at least assemble the radio gives the owner of a kit
>> built
>> radio a better understanding as to operation and trouble shooting if ever
>> needed.   It also saves on import duties into the EU.
>>
> One can describe the K3s as a kit if they like. The K2 is a real kit.
>
>>        Maybe Wayne should toot Elecrafts horn for these advantages as
>> well.
>> Again though you can work DX with an old FTDX 100 or Drake 2B with Johnson
>> Ranger at much lower cost it will not be so well facilitated.   The fully
>> equipped K3 is not an inexpensive radio it is a Porsche of the radio
>> world.
>>
> I have, in fact, done that with those. As well as operated a K3 since it
> was first released. Mine was one of the first 2000 or so. I'm not knocking
> it.
>
>>         I can not imagine a company better than Elecraft to deal with
>> though
>> I understand that Flex is pretty good and so to has TenTec been in the
>> past.
>> Are they as good - this is hard for me to believe.
>>
> Ten-Tec has been (past tense since they pretty much don't exist at the
> moment) great. No argument regarding the involvement of Wayne and Eric in
> this group. Flex engineers are also pretty active and responsive. But they
> are just following Elecraft's lead.
>
>>                     73 Doug EI2CN
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email]
>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Doug Person
>> Sent: 04 July 2018 17:11
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: [Elecraft] K3S VS: IC-7300
>>
>> I didn't see any comparison chart for the K3S and the IC-7610.  I did
>> see the comparison of the K3S with the IC-7300. This made me laugh. By
>> the time you add up the required options for the K3S to achieve feature
>> parity with the IC-7300 it costs 3 times as much. This actually makes
>> the IC-7300 look like a really good deal. The IC-7300 is, after all, an
>> entry level radio.
>>
>> I'll never stop being impressed by the ability of the K3/K3S. But, to
>> me, it is no longer cost competitive. The only advantage the K3S has
>> today is it has one of the best receivers. I doubt this advantage will
>> last much longer.
>>
>> Doug -- KJ0F
>>
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