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Edward A. Dauer

K3S and P3 TX Monitoring

The P3 TX Monitor info is on the website as well.

Looks like they made as much as possible of the K3S retrofittable to the
K3. Neat stuff. Now we get to line up at the candy store.

My only disappointment is that TX monitoring in the P3 won¹t show on the
SVGA monitor. I wonder why? I guess the SVGA isn¹t just a mirror of the
display . . . ?

Ted, KN1CBR

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>Message: 22
>Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 10:12:25 -0400
>From: Ross Primrose <[hidden email]>
>To: k1uo-Larry <[hidden email]>, [hidden email]
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S
>Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
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>See the Elecraft website for details...
>
>73, Ross N4RP
>
>On 5/14/2015 10:01 AM, k1uo-Larry wrote:
>> I see on the Elecraft order page the K3 has been replaced by the K3S...
>> What, if any, is the difference?

Phil Hystad-3

Re: K3S and P3 TX Monitoring

> On May 14, 2015, at 8:53 AM, Dauer, Edward <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> My only disappointment is that TX monitoring in the P3 wonąt show on the
> SVGA monitor. I wonder why? I guess the SVGA isnąt just a mirror of the
> display . . . ?
>
> Ted, KN1CBR
>

I think the main reason that the P3 SVGA monitor does not show the TX signal
is because the two items are totally separate with regard to signal source and
processing.

P3 SVGA — signal source is the I/F interface from the K3 (K3s).
TX Monitor — signal source is the RF sensor.

P3 SVGA — processing is DSP on the signal to create frequency spectrum.
TX Monitor — processing may not use DSP if no frequency spectrum is offered (just time based).

73, phil, K7PEH

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Bill Frantz

Re: K3S and P3 TX Monitoring

In reply to this post by Edward A. Dauer

The SVGA has always had a different display from the P3. For one
thing, there is the decoded CW/digital at the bottom. Being able
to TX monitor on the SVGA may be a future firmware upgrade for
the SVGA.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 5/14/15 at 8:53 AM, [hidden email] (Dauer, Edward) wrote:

>My only disappointment is that TX monitoring in the P3 won¹t show on the
>SVGA monitor. I wonder why? I guess the SVGA isn¹t just a mirror of the
>display . . . ?

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Terry Schieler-2

K3s and K3S.

I see that Elecraft is using the lower case "s" in the model number of the new K3s announcements.

In just this short time today it has become apparent that this reflector may now need a pretty precise discriminator between the K3s (plural) that we already own and the new K3s that was just announced.

"I'm selling my K3s" can be interpreted as a guy selling all three of his K3 radios.
"I'm selling my K3s" can be interpreted as a guy selling the brand new, improved model K3s that was just delivered to him!

;o)

Terry, W0FM

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Ross Primrose

Re: K3s and K3S.

Does this mean they'll have to add a new support address at
[hidden email], or can they just let the one s do double duty ;)

73, Ross N4RP

On 5/14/2015 3:11 PM, Terry Schieler wrote:

> I see that Elecraft is using the lower case "s" in the model number of the new K3s announcements.
>
> In just this short time today it has become apparent that this reflector may now need a pretty precise discriminator between the K3s (plural) that we already own and the new K3s that was just announced.
>
> "I'm selling my K3s" can be interpreted as a guy selling all three of his K3 radios.
> "I'm selling my K3s" can be interpreted as a guy selling the brand new, improved model K3s that was just delivered to him!
>
> ;o)
>
>
> Terry, W0FM
>
>
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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: K3s and K3S.

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On 2015-05-14 3:16 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:
> Use “K3’s” for multiple K3 transceivers.

That is not correct grammar. "K3's" is a contraction meaning
"K3 is" or is the possessive as in "the K3's tuning knob".

If anything, one probably needs to use or spell out "multiple
K3 transceivers".

73,

... Joe, W4TV

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Alan Bloom

Re: K3s and K3S.

Yes, Miss Grammar would rap your knuckles for that.

The more interesting question is, what is the plural of K3s? K3ss?

:=)

Alan N1AL

On 05/14/2015 12:50 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

>
> On 2015-05-14 3:16 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:
>> Use “K3’s” for multiple K3 transceivers.
>
> That is not correct grammar. "K3's" is a contraction meaning
> "K3 is" or is the possessive as in "the K3's tuning knob".
>
> If anything, one probably needs to use or spell out "multiple
> K3 transceivers".
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>

Lyle Johnson

Re: K3s and K3S.

K3 = original radio, singular
K3s = original radio, plural
K3's = original radio, singular, possessive
K3s' = original radio, plural, possessive

K3S = new radio, singular
K3Ses = new radio, plural
K3S's = new radio, singular, possessive
K3Ses' = new radio, plural, possessive

There will be a test at the end of second period...

73,

Lyle KK7P

On 5/14/2015 12:56 PM, Alan wrote:

> Yes, Miss Grammar would rap your knuckles for that.
>
> The more interesting question is, what is the plural of K3s? K3ss?
>
> :=)
>
> Alan N1AL
>
>
> On 05/14/2015 12:50 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>>
>> On 2015-05-14 3:16 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:
>>> Use “K3’s” for multiple K3 transceivers.
>>
>> That is not correct grammar. "K3's" is a contraction meaning
>> "K3 is" or is the possessive as in "the K3's tuning knob".
>>
>> If anything, one probably needs to use or spell out "multiple
>> K3 transceivers".
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> ... Joe, W4TV
>>
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Phil Wheeler-2

Re: K3s and K3S.

In reply to this post by Alan Bloom

Drat -- they should have called it a K3S :-)

Phil W7OX

On 5/14/15 12:56 PM, Alan wrote:

> Yes, Miss Grammar would rap your knuckles for that.
>
> The more interesting question is, what is the
> plural of K3s? K3ss?
>
> :=)
>
> Alan N1AL
>
>
> On 05/14/2015 12:50 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>>
>> On 2015-05-14 3:16 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:
>>> Use “K3’s” for multiple K3 transceivers.
>>
>> That is not correct grammar. "K3's" is a
>> contraction meaning
>> "K3 is" or is the possessive as in "the K3's
>> tuning knob".
>>
>> If anything, one probably needs to use or spell
>> out "multiple
>> K3 transceivers".
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> ... Joe, W4TV

Bruce Beford-4

Re: K3s and K3S.

In reply to this post by Terry Schieler-2

> That is not correct grammar. "K3's" is a contraction meaning
> "K3 is" or is the possessive as in "the K3's tuning knob".

> If anything, one probably needs to use or spell out "multiple
> K3 transceivers".

In that vein, would anyone care to revisit the topic of 73's?

;-)

73 (already plural, does not need to be made possessive either),

Bruce N1RX

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wayne burdick

Re: K3s and K3S.

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In reply to this post by Terry Schieler-2

Generally it's supposed to be "K3S" (capital). Please use that in email.

However, on the radio itself, and in the owner's manual (etc.) we use a slightly smaller capital "S". To be specific, about 85% of a full-height capital. This just seemed like the right thing to do. Don't get me started on branding and graphic design....

I'm looking forward to seeing a blog post with the official "S" scaling :)

73,
Wayne
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> On May 14, 2015, at 3:11 PM, "Terry Schieler" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I see that Elecraft is using the lower case "s" in the model number of the new K3s announcements.
>
> In just this short time today it has become apparent that this reflector may now need a pretty precise discriminator between the K3s (plural) that we already own and the new K3s that was just announced.
>
> "I'm selling my K3s" can be interpreted as a guy selling all three of his K3 radios.
> "I'm selling my K3s" can be interpreted as a guy selling the brand new, improved model K3s that was just delivered to him!
>
> ;o)
>
>
> Terry, W0FM
>
>
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Jack Brindle-2

Re: K3s and K3S.

In reply to this post by Lyle Johnson

Let’s make it easier (or is that harder?). It’s a Small-Caps ’S’. Not lower case.
Or, look at the way ELECRAFT is spelled on the products. The E is higher than the other characters.
The rest are small-caps…

Now the exercise is to find a way to type this in standard ASCII…

- Jack, W6FB

> On May 14, 2015, at 1:06 PM, Lyle Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> K3 = original radio, singular
> K3s = original radio, plural
> K3's = original radio, singular, possessive
> K3s' = original radio, plural, possessive
>
> K3S = new radio, singular
> K3Ses = new radio, plural
> K3S's = new radio, singular, possessive
> K3Ses' = new radio, plural, possessive
>
> There will be a test at the end of second period...
>
> 73,
>
> Lyle KK7P
>
> On 5/14/2015 12:56 PM, Alan wrote:
>> Yes, Miss Grammar would rap your knuckles for that.
>>
>> The more interesting question is, what is the plural of K3s? K3ss?
>>
>> :=)
>>
>> Alan N1AL
>>
>>
>> On 05/14/2015 12:50 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2015-05-14 3:16 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:
>>>> Use “K3’s” for multiple K3 transceivers.
>>>
>>> That is not correct grammar. "K3's" is a contraction meaning
>>> "K3 is" or is the possessive as in "the K3's tuning knob".
>>>
>>> If anything, one probably needs to use or spell out "multiple
>>> K3 transceivers".
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> ... Joe, W4TV
>>>
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Alan Bloom

Re: K3s and K3S.

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On 05/14/2015 02:51 PM, Bruce Beford wrote:
>

> In that vein, would anyone care to revisit the topic of 73's?

"Best 73's" translates to "Best best regardses"

:=)

Alan N1AL

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Alan. G4GNX

Re: K3s and K3S.

Ermm.... No it doesn't. "Best 73's" translates to "Best best wisheses" which
also attempts to be possessive. The apostrophe doesn't really translate at
all and is superfluous. :-)

73,

Alan. G4GNX

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From: Alan
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 11:16 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3s and K3S.

On 05/14/2015 02:51 PM, Bruce Beford wrote:
>

> In that vein, would anyone care to revisit the topic of 73's?

"Best 73's" translates to "Best best regardses"

:=)

Alan N1AL

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ac2ev

Re: K3s and K3S.

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If anyone is really worried what to call it, simply send your unwanted K3 to me and that will solve your problem.

AC2EV - Don
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Phil Hystad-3

Re: K3s and K3S.

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The big error on everyone’s part is that 73’s is not plural but rather it is possessive.
Thus, saying 73’s is equivalent to yielding your best regards entirely over to the
other person. It is a more intimate way of saying 73.

73, phil, K7PEH

> On May 14, 2015, at 3:16 PM, Alan <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> On 05/14/2015 02:51 PM, Bruce Beford wrote:
>>
>
>> In that vein, would anyone care to revisit the topic of 73's?
>
> "Best 73's" translates to "Best best regardses"
>
> :=)
>
> Alan N1AL
>
>
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Terry Schieler-2

Re: K3s and K3S.

In reply to this post by wayne burdick

Thanks Wayne. I sure understand that. Yes. Having a graphic art
background I could tell it was a capital S in a slightly smaller font in the
literature. Just not able to do that on the reflector. Excited about the
new product announcements.

Terry W0FM

-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Burdick [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 4:55 PM
To: Terry Schieler
Cc: <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3s and K3S.

Generally it's supposed to be "K3S" (capital). Please use that in email.

However, on the radio itself, and in the owner's manual (etc.) we use a
slightly smaller capital "S". To be specific, about 85% of a full-height
capital. This just seemed like the right thing to do. Don't get me started
on branding and graphic design....

I'm looking forward to seeing a blog post with the official "S" scaling :)

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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> On May 14, 2015, at 3:11 PM, "Terry Schieler" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I see that Elecraft is using the lower case "s" in the model number of the
new K3s announcements.
>
> In just this short time today it has become apparent that this reflector
may now need a pretty precise discriminator between the K3s (plural) that we
already own and the new K3s that was just announced.
>
> "I'm selling my K3s" can be interpreted as a guy selling all three of his
K3 radios.
> "I'm selling my K3s" can be interpreted as a guy selling the brand new,
improved model K3s that was just delivered to him!

>
> ;o)
>
>
> Terry, W0FM
>
>
>
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Hisashi T Fujinaka

Re: K3s and K3S.

In reply to this post by ac2ev

Hey, I'll even pay for shipping if you send it to me!

On Thu, 14 May 2015, Ac2ev wrote:

> If anyone is really worried what to call it, simply send your unwanted K3 to me and that will solve your problem.
>
> AC2EV - Don
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Ian Kahn, KM4IK

Re: K3s and K3S.

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I disagree, Wunder. "K3's" is possessive (as in, "...the K3's wonderful
receive sensitivity..."), not plural. Maybe we need to convince the Elecraft
powers that be to rename the K3s as the K3S (capital "S"), so we can tell
the difference. :-)

And, for the record, I was a middle school English teacher in a prior life
and have always been something of a grammar cop. :-)

73 de,

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-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Walter
Underwood
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 3:17 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3s and K3S.

Use "K3's" for multiple K3 transceivers.

wunder
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On May 14, 2015, at 12:11 PM, Terry Schieler <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I see that Elecraft is using the lower case "s" in the model number of the
new K3s announcements.
>
> In just this short time today it has become apparent that this reflector
may now need a pretty precise discriminator between the K3s (plural) that we
already own and the new K3s that was just announced.
>
> "I'm selling my K3s" can be interpreted as a guy selling all three of his
K3 radios.
> "I'm selling my K3s" can be interpreted as a guy selling the brand new,
improved model K3s that was just delivered to him!

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wayne burdick

Re: K3s and K3S.

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It *is* in fact a capital S.

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> On May 15, 2015, at 8:42 AM, "Ian - Ham" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I disagree, Wunder. "K3's" is possessive (as in, "...the K3's wonderful
> receive sensitivity..."), not plural. Maybe we need to convince the Elecraft
> powers that be to rename the K3s as the K3S (capital "S"), so we can tell
> the difference. :-)
>
> And, for the record, I was a middle school English teacher in a prior life
> and have always been something of a grammar cop. :-)
>
> 73 de,
>
> --Ian
> Ian Kahn, KM4IK
> Roswell, GA EM74ua
> [hidden email]
> 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038
> PODXS 070 #1962
> K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Walter
> Underwood
> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 3:17 PM
> To: Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3s and K3S.
>
> Use "K3's" for multiple K3 transceivers.
>
> wunder
> K6WRU
> CM87wj
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
>
>> On May 14, 2015, at 12:11 PM, Terry Schieler <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> I see that Elecraft is using the lower case "s" in the model number of the
> new K3s announcements.
>>
>> In just this short time today it has become apparent that this reflector
> may now need a pretty precise discriminator between the K3s (plural) that we
> already own and the new K3s that was just announced.
>>
>> "I'm selling my K3s" can be interpreted as a guy selling all three of his
> K3 radios.
>> "I'm selling my K3s" can be interpreted as a guy selling the brand new,
> improved model K3s that was just delivered to him!
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>>
>> Terry, W0FM
>>
>>
>>
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