K3S and Winkeyer
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I’d like to start contesting and plan on using N1MM with my K3S. Is there any advantage on adding a Winkeyer to the mix?
Thanks in advance, Bill - W3PNM ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Hi Bill,
I'd say it just comes down to personal preference. I'm primarily a contester and dxer. I sometimes use the builtin keyers in the K3 and the Icom IC-7800. However, I do like and have several Winkeyers. They interface easily in N1MM+ on their own serial port. The speed can be controlled either from the Winkeyer speed pot or from the N1MM+ program with a mouse to change the speed. I have the standalone Winkeyer USB, also 2 of my Rig Expert interfaces have builtin Winkeyers. To me I like the stability and accuracy of the Winkeyer. It's easy to adjust the speed up or down 2wpm at a time. So boils down to personal preference and I have nothing bad to say about the builtin keyers. 73 Darrell AB2E ________________________________ From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> on behalf of Bill DeVore <[hidden email]> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 8:52 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and Winkeyer I’d like to start contesting and plan on using N1MM with my K3S. Is there any advantage on adding a Winkeyer to the mix? Thanks in advance, Bill - W3PNM ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Re: K3S and Winkeyer
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On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 5:52 PM, Bill DeVore <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I’d like to start contesting and plan on using N1MM with my K3S. Is there any advantage on adding a Winkeyer to the mix? Without it (or some other type of interface), you'd have to use the RTS/DTR lines on the rig-control COM-port for keying. This works fine for some, but others have issues with timing (it's dependent on Windows and the COM port operating smoothly). The WinKeyer is very well regarded amongst contesters, and will generally provide the most dependable operation. 73, ~iain / N6ML ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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One big advantage, if you play to use keyboard based CW at all, is that on
the K3, you cannot use software keying using the built in keyer on the Elecraft. Instead, you need to use N1MM's DTR keying which is software based and cannot be used reliably unless you only have N1MM software running with the K3. If you use any virtual ports, it will not work reliably. A WinKey is a good solution and not expensive. Most software packages support WinKey. 73 Tom va2fsq.com -----Original Message----- From: Bill DeVore Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 8:52 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and Winkeyer I’d like to start contesting and plan on using N1MM with my K3S. Is there any advantage on adding a Winkeyer to the mix? Thanks in advance, Bill - W3PNM ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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A lot of people will say no, the N1MM CW generation is fine. But it depends on a lot of things. In my case, the CW got poorer when there was a lot of internet activity on the computer. Computer sound generation and other stuff also affects it. Everything just got much smoother when I got a Winkeyer.
Vic 4X6GP > On 22 Feb 2018, at 3:52, Bill DeVore <[hidden email]> wrote: > > I’d like to start contesting and plan on using N1MM with my K3S. Is there any advantage on adding a Winkeyer to the mix? > > Thanks in advance, > > Bill - W3PNM ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Winkeyers have been excellent upgrades to my multi-multi stations.
All of my stations now use Winkeyers and ten of them now use K3 transceivers. I especially like the PTT capability when sending with a paddle. No more need to fiddle with VOX settings for CW operation. 73 Frank W3LPL ----- Original Message ----- From: "iain macdonnell - N6ML" <[hidden email]> To: "Bill DeVore" <[hidden email]> Cc: "Elecraft Reflector" <[hidden email]> Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 5:16:58 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S and Winkeyer On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 5:52 PM, Bill DeVore <[hidden email]> wrote: > I’d like to start contesting and plan on using N1MM with my K3S. Is there any advantage on adding a Winkeyer to the mix? Without it (or some other type of interface), you'd have to use the RTS/DTR lines on the rig-control COM-port for keying. This works fine for some, but others have issues with timing (it's dependent on Windows and the COM port operating smoothly). The WinKeyer is very well regarded amongst contesters, and will generally provide the most dependable operation. 73, ~iain / N6ML ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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You can use DTR keying as described in the thread or you can use the "KEY" macro in N1MM+ via the serial port CAT interface. I use DTR with my K3 but since DTR keying isn't implemented on the KX2, I use the macro. When using the macro the speed is that set on the K3 keyer and can be interrupted with the paddle. I have an example .mc file I can send if interested.
73, Brian, K0DTJ > On Feb 21, 2018, at 17:52, Bill DeVore <[hidden email]> wrote: > > I’d like to start contesting and plan on using N1MM with my K3S. Is there any advantage on adding a Winkeyer to the mix? > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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DTR keying works well with the K3, but as Tom pointed out, it does not play
well with virtual COM ports. Since I started using Win4K3, I’ve had to use alternate means. I’m planning to go with a Winkeyer type device for all the reasons mentioned by the others. I recently found the Nanokeyer project, which is a Arduino based Winkeyer clone built on the code from K3NG. I’ve got one knocked together on the workbench and it seems to work well, so I’m going to give it a workout and see if it meets my needs, as soon as I find time to move it from a mass of jumper wires and clip leads to something resembling a completed piece of equipment. On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 12:09 AM Brian Hunt <[hidden email]> wrote: > You can use DTR keying as described in the thread or you can use the "KEY" > macro in N1MM+ via the serial port CAT interface. I use DTR with my K3 but > since DTR keying isn't implemented on the KX2, I use the macro. When using > the macro the speed is that set on the K3 keyer and can be interrupted with > the paddle. I have an example .mc file I can send if interested. > > 73, > Brian, K0DTJ > > > On Feb 21, 2018, at 17:52, Bill DeVore <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > > I’d like to start contesting and plan on using N1MM with my K3S. Is > there any advantage on adding a Winkeyer to the mix? > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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With all the smarts in the K3s, it seems like it would be possible to add a WinKeyer emulator in the rig itself with just a software update.
My 2 cents considering I know nothing of the internal code in the K3s. Jim - KK7A Sent from ProtonMail Mobile On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 10:17 PM, Tom <[hidden email]> wrote: > One big advantage, if you play to use keyboard based CW at all, is that on the K3, you cannot use software keying using the built in keyer on the Elecraft. Instead, you need to use N1MM's DTR keying which is software based and cannot be used reliably unless you only have N1MM software running with the K3. If you use any virtual ports, it will not work reliably. A WinKey is a good solution and not expensive. Most software packages support WinKey. 73 Tom va2fsq.com -----Original Message----- From: Bill DeVore Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 8:52 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and Winkeyer I’d like to start contesting and plan on using N1MM with my K3S. Is there any advantage on adding a Winkeyer to the mix? Thanks in advance, Bill - W3PNM ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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In reply to this post by Brian Hunt
The contest mode of RUMlogNG (for the Mac) can use the CAT
interface to send CW. I used it during the ARRL DX contest and a number of other contests over the last couple of years, and it worked well. It seems to me that the CAT interface is a more reliable way of sending CW than toggling DTR. RUMlogNG also has a setup preference for both microHam and winkeyer, as well as CAT. Given that CAT works well, I've never tried the others. 73 Bill AE6JV On 2/21/18 at 10:08 PM, [hidden email] (Brian Hunt) wrote: >You can use DTR keying as described in the thread or you can >use the "KEY" macro in N1MM+ via the serial port CAT interface. >I use DTR with my K3 but since DTR keying isn't implemented on >the KX2, I use the macro. When using the macro the speed is >that set on the K3 keyer and can be interrupted with the >paddle. I have an example .mc file I can send if interested. >73, >Brian, K0DTJ > >>On Feb 21, 2018, at 17:52, Bill DeVore <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >>I’d like to start contesting and plan on using N1MM with my K3S. Is there any advantage on adding a >Winkeyer to the mix? >> Bill Frantz | Airline peanut bag: "Produced | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | in a facility that processes | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | peanuts and other nuts." - Duh | Los Gatos, CA 95032 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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