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Haven't heard about this for a while. Supposed to be cleaner audio and
higher power audio output. Any word? 73, Guy K2AV ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Good question. It’s the DSP board from the K3S (the performance difference being the audio). Maybe a supply issue, still (?).
Grant NQ5T K3 #2091, KX3 #8342 > On Mar 19, 2016, at 7:23 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Haven't heard about this for a while. Supposed to be cleaner audio and > higher power audio output. Any word? > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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I dunno, the K3S audio actually isn't much better to my ears. Yes, it's a little better on my K3S compared to my K3, but still kind of shrill and fatiguing to listen to for long periods of time. I'm not sure it'd be worth spending a ton of money on to upgrade if there was an upgrade path.
Don't get me wrong, I love my K3S; the best rig you can buy, IMO. But I still strongly prefer the smooth, low sounding audio of my K2. I never get tired of it.... LS W5QD |
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Soundly seconded! I love the amazingly quiet noise floor and the K2's ability to dig out the weak signals. It's a very pleasant rig to listen to.
Vy 73 de Bert WA2SI Sent from my android device. -----Original Message----- From: lstavenhagen <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 10:55 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S audio board for K3 upgrade? I dunno, the K3S audio actually isn't much better to my ears. Yes, it's a little better on my K3S compared to my K3, but still kind of shrill and fatiguing to listen to for long periods of time. I'm not sure it'd be worth spending a ton of money on to upgrade if there was an upgrade path. Don't get me wrong, I love my K3S; the best rig you can buy, IMO. But I still strongly prefer the smooth, low sounding audio of my K2. I never get tired of it.... LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-audio-board-for-K3-upgrade-tp7615346p7615381.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Does a decent speaker and amp being fed from the speaker out sound any
better? I have a computer speaker on the K3 now, and I also want better sound... -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net For MixW support see: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info For SSTV help see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Mon, 2016-03-21 at 11:16 -0400, Bert Craig wrote: > Soundly seconded! I love the amazingly quiet noise floor and the K2's > ability to dig out the weak signals. It's a very pleasant rig to > listen to. > > Vy 73 de Bert > WA2SI > > Sent from my android device. > > -----Original Message----- > From: lstavenhagen <[hidden email]> > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 10:55 > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S audio board for K3 upgrade? > > I dunno, the K3S audio actually isn't much better to my ears. Yes, > it's a > little better on my K3S compared to my K3, but still kind of shrill > and > fatiguing to listen to for long periods of time. I'm not sure it'd be > worth > spending a ton of money on to upgrade if there was an upgrade path. > > Don't get me wrong, I love my K3S; the best rig you can buy, IMO. But > I > still strongly prefer the smooth, low sounding audio of my K2. I > never get > tired of it.... > > LS > W5QD > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3 > S-audio-board-for-K3-upgrade-tp7615346p7615381.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Well I don't want to complain _real_ loud either lol. The audio on the K3S really is better. But only slightly - not better enough to spend money on an upgrade for the K3, imo, which is kind of what I was responding to. Basically, save the money for filters, etc....
A good set of hi-fi headphones helps too, but I definitely still tire of my K3S in a fairly short time even with headphones, especially if the band is noisy. I find myself engaging the DSP and monkeying around with it rather than concentrating on QSOs to try to relieve my poor ears on a noisy band. Course it's even worse with my K3 lol. I've not found the equalizer to help that much either with either rig. Might just be my aging ears too, so take my comments with a grain of salt. And when I'm /p, I'm usually at around 10,000 feet above sea level out in the woods miles away from industrial noise sources. My K2, K3 and K3S are all quiet as mice in those conditions, but by far my K2 is the preferred rig to run there, even without the creature comforts of the K3/K3S.... 73, W5QD |
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Change the audio equalizer settings for received audio. When using a headset
you can tune the audio to your ears pretty well. If you don't know what I'm talking about check the owner's manual page 37, -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Bert Craig Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:17 AM To: [hidden email]; lstavenhagen Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S audio board for K3 upgrade? Soundly seconded! I love the amazingly quiet noise floor and the K2's ability to dig out the weak signals. It's a very pleasant rig to listen to. Vy 73 de Bert WA2SI Sent from my android device. -----Original Message----- From: lstavenhagen <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 10:55 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S audio board for K3 upgrade? I dunno, the K3S audio actually isn't much better to my ears. Yes, it's a little better on my K3S compared to my K3, but still kind of shrill and fatiguing to listen to for long periods of time. I'm not sure it'd be worth spending a ton of money on to upgrade if there was an upgrade path. Don't get me wrong, I love my K3S; the best rig you can buy, IMO. But I still strongly prefer the smooth, low sounding audio of my K2. I never get tired of it.... LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-audio-board-for-K3-upgrade-tp761534 6p7615381.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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On Mon,3/21/2016 7:55 AM, lstavenhagen wrote:
> I dunno, the K3S audio actually isn't much better to my ears. Yes, it's a > little better on my K3S compared to my K3, but still kind of shrill and > fatiguing to listen to for long periods of time. Do you listen on the internal speaker or on headphones? CW or SSB? Have you used RX EQ to shape the tonal balance? How do you set the IF bandwidth and centering? If headphones, which type/model? If external speaker, which one? I'm retired from a career in pro audio, including lots of live recordings of acoustic jazz. My operating style is to use the speaker only for casual monitoring when I'm doing something else in the shack, and to help me tune in digital signals. I listen mostly on headphones, both Yamaha CM500 and Sony MDR7506. The Sony headphones are widely used in recording studios, and the sound of the CM500 is pretty close in sound quality. I'm quite satisfied with the sound of my original K3s. I don't use any RXEQ at all. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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I use both the internal speaker and a set of Sony headphones (not comm. style, but basic hi-fi, can't remember the model number offhand) on primarily CW but on very rare occasions I'll go up to the SSB bands from time to time for listening/entertainment purposes. I do own a microphone, but I'm not sure where it is right now.
But speaking of SSB, I will say that SSB is where the difference from the K3 is most noticeable, even through the internal speaker. Not an order of magnitude better, but noticeable. So for you voice ops it may be a more worthy upgrade? Voices are definitely flatter and smoother sounding through the K3S. For casual listening and for comparison with my K3, I run the BW at 2.7khz with the center at the stock 1.5khz (IIRC). As I noted above, it's in SSB signals that I suppose there's a more noticeable difference but the regular noise when operating CW still has approximately the same shrill quality on both rigs (headphones and internal speaker). It's hard to quantify, but it's just has that harsh, upper midrange kind of rasp that the K3 has as well. For equalization, I've tried reducing the upper mids and boosting the lows to emulate my K2, but it doesn't really replicate the K2 regardless of settings. So I just leave those flat. Finally, I should mention I do have some mild hearing damage from many years as a musician, so I just may be more sensitive to heavy mids/upper mids types of equalization than others. So again, just take my comments with a grain of salt. Just because I can't hear much improvement doesn't mean there isn't an improvement or that others won't benefit from it :). 73, LS W5QD
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In this day and age, with PC soundcards and excellent freeware audio spectrum analysis software (like Visual Analyser), I wouldn't settle for subjective opinions like "shrill and fatiguing." Feed whatever audio output you're listening to into your soundcard and run a passband plot of your favored radio against the K3s and TELL US why you don't like the K3s sound. And then "fix it" (i.e., your preferred sound) with the filter and EQ controls. I'm assuming, of course, that you're listening through the same speakers or headphones on both radios. Folks, this ain't rocket science or magic. 73, Barry N1EU |
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My apologies fellers, I didn't mean to turn this into a let's-bash-the-K3S-audio thread LOL. Probably what I should have said is something less absolute. Perhaps something like I personally don't notice much of a difference between my K3 and K3S but that doesn't mean there isn't a difference period that noone else will notice.
As for the why's and wherefore's of what I don't like, I've noted that in my other responses. Again, for me, it's the upper mid kind of rasp of the band noise that I find to be similar between the two rigs. And what I find to be much better on the K2. Again, just my observations - I didn't mean to sound like I'm making general statements, that's my fault for which I duly apologize. 73, LS W5QD.
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LS,
If your problem is more related to "band noise", you may want to investigate the AGC Threshold and Slope settings on the K3 and K3s. To my ears, the K3/K3S sounds a bit 'noisy' with the default AGC settings. Increasing the Threshold and decreasing the slope may help. For information on evaluating the results of any changes, refer to the "Noisy K3" article on my website www.w3fpr.com. Pay particular attention to the points about observing the results during pauses in a transmission. Attempting to listen only to the band noise with no signal present will result in changing the settings in exactly the wrong way. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/21/2016 12:57 PM, lstavenhagen wrote: > As for the why's and wherefore's of what I don't like, I've noted that in my > other responses. Again, for me, it's the upper mid kind of rasp of the band > noise that I find to be similar between the two rigs. And what I find to be > much better on the K2. > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Ok thanks for the suggestions, Don. I should also mention that the other posters are quite right to call for objective, independent measurements to verify impressionistic judgments like my earlier ones. I stand by "shrill and fatiguing", :), but I concede that's just a personal judgment based on my particular hearing.
I'll take a look at the AGC settings, though to be quite honest, I think they're already ideal on both my K3 and K3S. I can't see how the AGC on either could be any better? Thanks es 73, W5QD |
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I have always felt the K3 was a looser in the audio department - but,
with the many menu settings available - most of the problem can be mitigated. There a lot of things that can be done with the menu settings on the K3 (presumably on the K3S also) that effect the RX audio - EQ settings, AGC settings, etc. I have posted my favorite settings in the past - it took weeks and weeks of tinkering to find settings for common armchair copy listening. I do use Behringer MS40 speakers also (no RF problems ever experienced). The really sad part: My Kenwood TS480 out "sounds" my K3 right out of the box. Just saying a fact, so no flames please. Bill W2BLC K-Line ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 1:28 PM, lstavenhagen <[hidden email]>
wrote: > I stand by "shrill and fatiguing", :), but I concede that's just a > personal judgment based on > my particular hearing. My point was that free tools are readily available to all of us to conduct a quick investigation into exactly what the sound differences are and to tailor the sound of a K3/K3s to our liking. There's absolutely no reason to continue to use a radio that is "shrill and fatiguing." By all means, investigate it, adjust it and FIX it. 73, Barry N1EU ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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All excellent points. My personal fix is to use my K2 at home where the band noise is bad (I refuse to mix computers and ham radio at the same time, so this may not be the fix you have in mind :) ), but when I'm /p, it's a non-issue. I use all 3 of my rigs when portable with no audio issues.
73, LS W5QD
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Berry,
Actually it is quite complicated to define what is wrong with the "sound" of something... What makes audio "fatiguing", exactly? I can't say, and no amount of listening to it, or playing with the EQ has fixed it in my case... I used to work in a recording studio, as a mix engineer, (way back when), and recently was in charge of the construction a Dolby certified, (almost fully digital), mix down room for movie sound design a few years ago... This was one of those rooms within a room on rubber bumpers sort of thing... So I know a bit about audio. Nor does using some non certified soundcard does not sound like the path to pristine audio... -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net For MixW support see: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info For SSTV help see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Mon, 2016-03-21 at 09:49 -0700, N1EU wrote: > lstavenhagen wrote > > > > I dunno, the K3S audio actually isn't much better to my ears. Yes, > > it's a > > little better on my K3S compared to my K3, but still kind of shrill > > and > > fatiguing to listen to for long periods of time. > In this day and age, with PC soundcards and excellent freeware audio > spectrum analysis software (like Visual Analyser), I wouldn't settle > for > subjective opinions like "shrill and fatiguing." Feed whatever audio > output > you're listening to into your soundcard and run a passband plot of > your > favored radio against the K3s and TELL US why you don't like the K3s > sound. > And then "fix it" (i.e., your preferred sound) with the filter and EQ > controls. I'm assuming, of course, that you're listening through the > same > speakers or headphones on both radios. > > Folks, this ain't rocket science or magic. > > 73, Barry N1EU > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3 > S-audio-board-for-K3-upgrade-tp7615346p7615393.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Friends,
Perhaps it is because I largely operate CW but for me the original K3 audio is just lovely. I am 71, my hearing is not so great but I use the lowest pitch possible around 360 Hz and have RX EQ set for good performance at low frequencies. It is just a sweet sound to me and so restful. Maybe if I was a phone man the story would be different though I do monitor SSB and work it for rare DX and it also sounds good. Could it be that the great flexibility in setting up the audio results in some people being put off as they have not found the sweet spot for their ears. I seem to remember a few years ago many people had troubles with the FT2000 because it was complex to set up. There were also people who did not like the Orion II again because setting the radio up initially was problematic for them. Now I may be completely wrong in my analysis of this situation and please God no one feels their toes have been trampled. This is not my purpose but for me the radio has a wonderful warm sound. We are all different. Some people like a Sicilian Pizza while others like a Neapolitan Pizza. 73 Doug EI2CN -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of lstavenhagen Sent: 21 March 2016 16:00 To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S audio board for K3 upgrade? Well I don't want to complain _real_ loud either lol. The audio on the K3S really is better. But only slightly - not better enough to spend money on an upgrade for the K3, imo, which is kind of what I was responding to. Basically, save the money for filters, etc.... A good set of hi-fi headphones helps too, but I definitely still tire of my K3S in a fairly short time even with headphones, especially if the band is noisy. I find myself engaging the DSP and monkeying around with it rather than concentrating on QSOs to try to relieve my poor ears on a noisy band. Course it's even worse with my K3 lol. I've not found the equalizer to help that much either with either rig. Might just be my aging ears too, so take my comments with a grain of salt. And when I'm /p, I'm usually at around 10,000 feet above sea level out in the woods miles away from industrial noise sources. My K2, K3 and K3S are all quiet as mice in those conditions, but by far my K2 is the preferred rig to run there, even without the creature comforts of the K3/K3S.... 73, W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-audio-board-for-K3-upgrade-tp761534 6p7615385.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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That's been my experience too, "really great sound" is somewhat akin to
pornography ... as Justice Stewart said, "Impossible to objectively define but I know it when I see [or hear] it." I inherited an SX-28 with the large bass reflex speaker a number of years ago. As a ham receiver in the 21st century, it left a lot to be desired, but it really "sounded" great on BC stations, and those stations on 75 at night pretending to be BC stations. I can't define "fatiguing" either, but running AFSK at 915 Hz MARK, I start getting a headache after 4 or 5 hours. My hearing is severely compromised, and I never use the internal K3 speaker and have never had anything plugged into the EXT SPKR jack. I have a Heil Proset from Elecraft and recently acquired a David Clark aviation headset. K9YC gave me a tip on the RX EQ to get the equivalent of about 30 dB of equalization out of it. My settings approximate one of the "programs" in my hearing aids [30 dB isn't nearly enough but it helps] sufficiently that I can dabble in NAQP and SS SSB. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org On 3/21/2016 12:06 PM, Dave Cole wrote: > Berry, > > Actually it is quite complicated to define what is wrong with the > "sound" of something... What makes audio "fatiguing", exactly? I > can't say, and no amount of listening to it, or playing with the EQ has > fixed it in my case... > Nor does using some non certified soundcard does not sound like the > path to pristine audio... > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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My TS-480 also sounds better than my K3. My K3 was sent back to factory to
see if there was an audio issue with my particular K3. They compared mine to a factory unit, using an audio spectrum analyzer and noted that my K3 and a new factory K3 were "the same". The TS-480 just sounds better to these ears. Oh, and it is magic........ Jim W6AIM . -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Bill Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:35 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S audio board for K3 upgrade? I have always felt the K3 was a looser in the audio department - but, with the many menu settings available - most of the problem can be mitigated. There a lot of things that can be done with the menu settings on the K3 (presumably on the K3S also) that effect the RX audio - EQ settings, AGC settings, etc. I have posted my favorite settings in the past - it took weeks and weeks of tinkering to find settings for common armchair copy listening. I do use Behringer MS40 speakers also (no RF problems ever experienced). The really sad part: My Kenwood TS480 out "sounds" my K3 right out of the box. Just saying a fact, so no flames please. Bill W2BLC K-Line ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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