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N5CQ

K3S no output?

On all bands even into dummy load

Not in TEST

TX INH OFF

In TUNE main display "-" and "0 W"

Other rig works fine into same antennas/dummy load with normal SWR
indicated.

Anybody been there done that?

73 John N5CQ

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Ken Arck

Monitor in SSB sounds "crummy" K3s?

Hi all

I've been trying to set up a couple different microphones with my K3s
and have noticed they all sound horrible using MONITOR but on another
radio, they sound good. Specifically, it doesn't take much level
before they sound distorted, and way too....."midrangy?" whereas
listening to it on 2 other local radios they sound fine.

So am I overlooking something? I can't imagine the MONITOR audio path
would be that bad by design

Ken
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Gary Gregory-2

Re: Monitor in SSB sounds "crummy" K3s?

In reply to this post by N5CQ

I imagine you have already set tx/rx EQ, set Bias on/off depending on the mic insert?

What is the model MIC?

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: "Ken Arck" <[hidden email]>
Sent: ‎2/‎07/‎2016 7:32 AM
To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Subject: [Elecraft] Monitor in SSB sounds "crummy" K3s?

Hi all

I've been trying to set up a couple different microphones with my K3s
and have noticed they all sound horrible using MONITOR but on another
radio, they sound good. Specifically, it doesn't take much level
before they sound distorted, and way too....."midrangy?" whereas
listening to it on 2 other local radios they sound fine.

So am I overlooking something? I can't imagine the MONITOR audio path
would be that bad by design

Ken
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Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and
we offer complete repeater packages!
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http://www.irlp.net
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Don Wilhelm

Re: Monitor in SSB sounds "crummy" K3s?

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Ken,

Is the Monitor level too high?
Are you using speakers for the monitor audio? That will certainly cause
feedback because the mic will pick up sound from the speakers. You can
use headphones with high isolation.

I would suggest a better way to evaluate the microphone response is to
make a recording and then play it back. If you have the DVR installed,
that is a perfect tool for doing that recording. If no DVR, use the
monitor to send audio to your computer soundcard and record it with an
application like Audacity (an open source and free audio editor).

The intent of the monitor function is to give the user of headphones
some audio in the phones because it is easier than speaking into a
microphone without that acoustical reinforcement. For that purpose, it
does not have to represent the full audio response - but I agree it
should not be distorted by design.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/1/2016 5:31 PM, Ken Arck wrote:
> Hi all
>
> I've been trying to set up a couple different microphones with my K3s
> and have noticed they all sound horrible using MONITOR but on another
> radio, they sound good. Specifically, it doesn't take much level
> before they sound distorted, and way too....."midrangy?" whereas
> listening to it on 2 other local radios they sound fine.

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Ken Arck

Re: Monitor in SSB sounds "crummy" K3s?

In reply to this post by Gary Gregory-2

Everything from a Koss 40, Koss 45, Heil BM10 and
even an old Turner 454C! And yes, I know about
the bias issue. Again, they all sound good on a
different radio (over the air) but horrible using MONITOR

Ken

At 02:50 PM 7/1/2016, Gary wrote:

>I imagine you have already set tx/rx EQ, set
>Bias on/off depending on the mic insert?
>
>What is the model MIC?
>
>Gary
>
>----------
>From: <mailto:[hidden email]>Ken Arck
>Sent: â2/â07/â2016 7:32 AM
>To: <mailto:[hidden email]>[hidden email]
>Subject: [Elecraft] Monitor in SSB sounds "crummy" K3s?
>
>Hi all
>
>I've been trying to set up a couple different microphones with my K3s
>and have noticed they all sound horrible using MONITOR but on another
>radio, they sound good. Specifically, it doesn't take much level
>before they sound distorted, and way too....."midrangy?" whereas
>listening to it on 2 other local radios they sound fine.
>
>So am I overlooking something? I can't imagine the MONITOR audio path
>would be that bad by design
>
>Ken
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>President and CTO - Arcom Communications
>Makers of repeater controllers and accessories.
>http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/
>Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and
>we offer complete repeater packages!
>AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000
>http://www.irlp.net
>"We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!"
>
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Ted Bryant

Re: Monitor in SSB sounds "crummy" K3s?

In reply to this post by Gary Gregory-2

Is CONFIG: TX MON set to "nor" or "FAST"? Whichever it is, try the other one.

73, Ted W4NZ

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ken Arck
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 5:59 PM
To: Gary; [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Monitor in SSB sounds "crummy" K3s?

Everything from a Koss 40, Koss 45, Heil BM10 and even an old Turner 454C! And yes, I know about the bias issue. Again, they all sound good on a different radio (over the air) but horrible using MONITOR

Ken

At 02:50 PM 7/1/2016, Gary wrote:

>I imagine you have already set tx/rx EQ, set Bias on/off depending on
>the mic insert?
>
>What is the model MIC?
>
>Gary
>
>----------
>From: <mailto:[hidden email]>Ken Arck
>Sent: â€Ž2/â€Ž07/â€Ž2016 7:32 AM
>To: <mailto:[hidden email]>[hidden email]
>Subject: [Elecraft] Monitor in SSB sounds "crummy" K3s?
>
>Hi all
>
>I've been trying to set up a couple different microphones with my K3s
>and have noticed they all sound horrible using MONITOR but on another
>radio, they sound good. Specifically, it doesn't take much level before
>they sound distorted, and way too....."midrangy?" whereas listening to
>it on 2 other local radios they sound fine.
>
>So am I overlooking something? I can't imagine the MONITOR audio path
>would be that bad by design
>
>Ken
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>------- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of repeater
>controllers and accessories.
>http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/
>Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and we offer complete
>repeater packages!
>AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000
>http://www.irlp.net
>"We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!"
>
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Ken Arck

Re: Monitor in SSB sounds "crummy" K3s?

In reply to this post by Don Wilhelm

Of course I'm not using the speaker for monitoring SSB - I have tried
the Koss 40, 45 and Heil headsets, all with the same result. I've
also been careful not to overdrive either the mic(s) nor headphones.

Unfortunately I do not have the DVR but let's face it...listening on
2 other radios should give me a fairly accurate portrayal of how my
SSB signal sounds (yes, RF gain down so as not to overload the local
radios) and MONITOR simply doesn't

Ken

At 02:52 PM 7/1/2016, Don Wilhelm wrote:

>Ken,
>
>Is the Monitor level too high?
>Are you using speakers for the monitor audio? That will certainly
>cause feedback because the mic will pick up sound from the
>speakers. You can use headphones with high isolation.
>
>I would suggest a better way to evaluate the microphone response is
>to make a recording and then play it back. If you have the DVR
>installed, that is a perfect tool for doing that recording. If no
>DVR, use the monitor to send audio to your computer soundcard and
>record it with an application like Audacity (an open source and free
>audio editor).
>
>The intent of the monitor function is to give the user of headphones
>some audio in the phones because it is easier than speaking into a
>microphone without that acoustical reinforcement. For that purpose,
>it does not have to represent the full audio response - but I agree
>it should not be distorted by design.
>
>73,
>Don W3FPR
>
>On 7/1/2016 5:31 PM, Ken Arck wrote:
>>Hi all
>>
>>I've been trying to set up a couple different microphones with my
>>K3s and have noticed they all sound horrible using MONITOR but on
>>another radio, they sound good. Specifically, it doesn't take much
>>level before they sound distorted, and way too....."midrangy?"
>>whereas listening to it on 2 other local radios they sound fine.

k6dgw

Re: Monitor in SSB sounds "crummy" K3s?

In reply to this post by Don Wilhelm

Ken, I think there's something wrong. I don't frequent SSB much but
when I do the monitor always sounds fine. I just tried my K3 #642,
fairly long in the tooth but with a fairly late FW if not the latest,
and I sound just fine to myself, for whatever that's worth. There are
so many new menu choices since I first built mine, it's possible there
could be something there ... like CONFIG:MONITOR CRUMMY/GOOD :-)), but I
really doubt it. How does it sound on CW or RTTY or other digital mode?
You may be at the "call Elecraft" point.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016
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On 7/1/2016 4:29 PM, Ken Arck wrote:

> Of course I'm not using the speaker for monitoring SSB - I have tried
> the Koss 40, 45 and Heil headsets, all with the same result. I've also
> been careful not to overdrive either the mic(s) nor headphones.
>
> Unfortunately I do not have the DVR but let's face it...listening on 2
> other radios should give me a fairly accurate portrayal of how my SSB
> signal sounds (yes, RF gain down so as not to overload the local radios)
> and MONITOR simply doesn't
>
> Ken

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Don Wilhelm

Re: Monitor in SSB sounds "crummy" K3s?

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Ken,

Do you have the TX EQ *and the RX EQ set to zero for all bands?
The monitor can give you a double-whammy since it feeds through both
equalizers if I recall correctly.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/1/2016 7:29 PM, Ken Arck wrote:
> Of course I'm not using the speaker for monitoring SSB - I have tried
> the Koss 40, 45 and Heil headsets, all with the same result. I've also
> been careful not to overdrive either the mic(s) nor headphones.
>
> Unfortunately I do not have the DVR but let's face it...listening on 2
> other radios should give me a fairly accurate portrayal of how my SSB
> signal sounds (yes, RF gain down so as not to overload the local
> radios) and MONITOR simply doesn't

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Re: Monitor in SSB sounds "crummy" K3s?

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resend to reflector because your email was blocked by spamcop - my lousy Centurlylink email system . Ken - I have watched this thread for awhile - while I have never had this issue - (with K3 7536) - sometimes when all else fails , trying an EEINT process is worth while ( I call that my Elecraft one finger salute - ala my 3 ORION s one finger salute when they lost their mind- which was a hell of a lot more often than my K3) Incidentally - I saw some talk about processing etc - my monitor if I select FASt sounds like my normal voice no EQ or processing - switching MON to nor - the TX EQ and processing is VERY apparent . Good luck --- Hank K7HP ----- Original Message -----
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