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Grant Youngman
Looks good to me!

The real benefit of most of the included upgrades is that they are either already in my K3 (2xKSYNA) or they will be available for upgrade later on.  I don’t really have an issue with K3 audio, or knobs, or …

Seems to me that an important question is the impact on overall performance of the lower RF and quantization noise with the K3S’s new RF board, since this is not being made available for retrofit into the K3.  Hopefully, Elecraft or an early K3S adopter with the ability to measure the difference will provide some hard information.  That’s pretty much going to be my decision point about whether to drop $$ on upgrading other parts of my K3 or just biting the bullet, reducing my ability to eat for a few months later in retirement, and upgrading the whole thing.  Or not … since given my usual operating habits, even the K3 is more radio than I need ;-)

Grant NQ5T
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Re: K3S

Ross Primrose
I think that can be said for the vast majority of those of us who own
one, including me ;)

That said, at some point I'll pony up for a couple of synths and at
lease one general coverage bandpass filter so I can play on the lower
bands...

73, Ross N4RP

On 5/14/2015 3:04 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote:
> since given my usual operating habits, even the K3 is more radio than I need ;-)
>
> Grant NQ5T

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Re: K3S

Bill Frantz
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I think Grant has hit the major issue of new K3s vs upgrade a
K3. One possibility for the budget minded is to buy a minimum
K3s and pull as many option boards, filters, etc. from the K3 as
possible. Then enjoy a K3/10 for the vacation home or sell it. I
fear that prices for used K3's will be depressed as more come on
the market than there are buyers. The prices will probably come
back up after the major rush to the new radio dies down and
supply/demand evens out.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 5/14/15 at 12:04 PM, [hidden email] (GRANT YOUNGMAN) wrote:

>Seems to me that an important question is the impact on overall
>performance of the lower RF and quantization noise with the
>K3S’s new RF board, since this is not being made available
>for retrofit into the K3.  Hopefully, Elecraft or an early K3S
>adopter with the ability to measure the difference will provide
>some hard information.  That’s pretty much going to be my
>decision point about whether to drop $$ on upgrading other
>parts of my K3 or just biting the bullet, reducing my ability
>to eat for a few months later in retirement, and upgrading the
>whole thing.  Or not … since given my usual operating habits,
>even the K3 is more radio than I need ;-)

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Re: K3S

Wes (N7WS)
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I just cancelled my order for the upgraded synthesizer for my present K3 and
ordered a K3s instead.:-)

Since the government demands that I take money out of my IRAs so they can
confiscate 30% of it to buy Obamaphones, I might as well blow the rest of it on
radios.  Depreciating it to zero, my current K3 cost me about $27 a month over
the time I've owned it. Depending on how long I live, the monthly cost of the
new one will likely be higher, but then buying all of those Obamaphones has
deflated the value of our money anyway.  Might as well spend it while it has a
little value left.

Wes N7WS

On 5/14/2015 12:04 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote:
> Looks good to me!
>
> The real benefit of most of the included upgrades is that they are either already in my K3 (2xKSYNA) or they will be available for upgrade later on.  I don’t really have an issue with K3 audio, or knobs, or …
>
> Seems to me that an important question is the impact on overall performance of the lower RF and quantization noise with the K3S’s new RF board, since this is not being made available for retrofit into the K3.  Hopefully, Elecraft or an early K3S adopter with the ability to measure the difference will provide some hard information.  That’s pretty much going to be my decision point about whether to drop $$ on upgrading other parts of my K3 or just biting the bullet, reducing my ability to eat for a few months later in retirement, and upgrading the whole thing.  Or not … since given my usual operating habits, even the K3 is more radio than I need ;-)
>
> Grant NQ5T
> ______________________________________________________________
>

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Re: K3S

Frank Krozel
So just thinking outloud….. I guess the bands are dead?
Still like my original K2 (while listening on my new KX3.

Frank

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Re: K3S

Wes (N7WS)
We're gearing up for the decline of the sunspot cycle. We'll all be working each
other on 630-meters.



On 5/14/2015 1:31 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
> So just thinking outloud….. I guess the bands are dead?
> Still like my original K2 (while listening on my new KX3.
>
> Frank
>
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Re: K3S

Russ-2
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How loud can you yell??


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device


-------- Original message --------
From: "Wes (N7WS)" <[hidden email]>
Date:05/14/2015  4:57 PM  (GMT-05:00)
To: [hidden email]
Cc:
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S

We're gearing up for the decline of the sunspot cycle. We'll all be working each
other on 630-meters.



On 5/14/2015 1:31 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
> So just thinking outloud….. I guess the bands are dead?
> Still like my original K2 (while listening on my new KX3.
>
> Frank
>
> ______________________________________________________________
>

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Re: K3S

Jim Bolit
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Oh so true!

Pretty soon, The U.S. population will be expecting to be paid for 40 hours of work, but only working 30 hours like some other countries in the world.

One country's govt paid big Euro to fund a study to determine if this work 30/pay 40 would have an impact on productivity!!!  

Jim
W6AIM



-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Wes (N7WS)
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 1:15 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S

I just cancelled my order for the upgraded synthesizer for my present K3 and ordered a K3s instead.:-)

Since the government demands that I take money out of my IRAs so they can confiscate 30% of it to buy Obamaphones, I might as well blow the rest of it on radios.  Depreciating it to zero, my current K3 cost me about $27 a month over the time I've owned it. Depending on how long I live, the monthly cost of the new one will likely be higher, but then buying all of those Obamaphones has deflated the value of our money anyway.  Might as well spend it while it has a little value left.

Wes N7WS

On 5/14/2015 12:04 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote:

> Looks good to me!
>
> The real benefit of most of the included upgrades is that they are
> either already in my K3 (2xKSYNA) or they will be available for
> upgrade later on.  I don’t really have an issue with K3 audio, or
> knobs, or …
>
> Seems to me that an important question is the impact on overall
> performance of the lower RF and quantization noise with the K3S’s new
> RF board, since this is not being made available for retrofit into the
> K3.  Hopefully, Elecraft or an early K3S adopter with the ability to
> measure the difference will provide some hard information.  That’s
> pretty much going to be my decision point about whether to drop $$ on
> upgrading other parts of my K3 or just biting the bullet, reducing my
> ability to eat for a few months later in retirement, and upgrading the
> whole thing.  Or not … since given my usual operating habits, even the
> K3 is more radio than I need ;-)
>
> Grant NQ5T
> ______________________________________________________________
>

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Re: K3S

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On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 3:55 PM, Wes (N7WS) <[hidden email]> wrote:

> We're gearing up for the decline of the sunspot cycle. We'll all be
> working each other on 630-meters.
>
> ========
DXCC is gonna mean "Don't expect convenient communication."

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Re: K3S

NK7Z
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Hi Jim,
You are wrong!  Most of the country does not want to work 30 hours and
get paid for 40!!

They only do 30 hours of work, in a 40 hour period, and ARE getting paid
for 40 hours.

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On Thu, 2015-05-14 at 18:52 -0700, jim wrote:

> Oh so true!
>
> Pretty soon, The U.S. population will be expecting to be paid for 40 hours of work, but only working 30 hours like some other countries in the world.
>
> One country's govt paid big Euro to fund a study to determine if this work 30/pay 40 would have an impact on productivity!!!  
>
> Jim
> W6AIM
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Wes (N7WS)
> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 1:15 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S
>
> I just cancelled my order for the upgraded synthesizer for my present K3 and ordered a K3s instead.:-)
>
> Since the government demands that I take money out of my IRAs so they can confiscate 30% of it to buy Obamaphones, I might as well blow the rest of it on radios.  Depreciating it to zero, my current K3 cost me about $27 a month over the time I've owned it. Depending on how long I live, the monthly cost of the new one will likely be higher, but then buying all of those Obamaphones has deflated the value of our money anyway.  Might as well spend it while it has a little value left.
>
> Wes N7WS
>
> On 5/14/2015 12:04 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote:
> > Looks good to me!
> >
> > The real benefit of most of the included upgrades is that they are
> > either already in my K3 (2xKSYNA) or they will be available for
> > upgrade later on.  I don’t really have an issue with K3 audio, or
> > knobs, or …
> >
> > Seems to me that an important question is the impact on overall
> > performance of the lower RF and quantization noise with the K3S’s new
> > RF board, since this is not being made available for retrofit into the
> > K3.  Hopefully, Elecraft or an early K3S adopter with the ability to
> > measure the difference will provide some hard information.  That’s
> > pretty much going to be my decision point about whether to drop $$ on
> > upgrading other parts of my K3 or just biting the bullet, reducing my
> > ability to eat for a few months later in retirement, and upgrading the
> > whole thing.  Or not … since given my usual operating habits, even the
> > K3 is more radio than I need ;-)
> >
> > Grant NQ5T
> > ______________________________________________________________
> >
>
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Re: K3S

Grant Youngman
Trying hard to figure out whatever real or imagined policy any of this has to do with Elecraft or the subject of this thread.

Surely there’s a more appropriate venue.  

Grant



> On May 14, 2015, at 9:04 PM, David Cole <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi Jim,
> You are wrong!  Most of the country does not want to work 30 hours and
> get paid for 40!!
>
> They only do 30 hours of work, in a 40 hour period, and ARE getting paid
> for 40 hours.
>
> V/info
>
>
> On Thu, 2015-05-14 at 18:52 -0700, jim wrote:
>> Oh so true!
>>
>> Pretty soon, The U.S. population will be expecting to be paid for 40 hours of work, but only working 30 hours like some other countries in the world.
>>
>> One country's govt paid big Euro to fund a study to determine if this work 30/pay 40 would have an impact on productivity!!!  
>>
>> Jim
>> W6AIM
>>
>> I just cancelled my order for the upgraded synthesizer for my present K3 and ordered a K3s instead.:-)
>>
>> Since the government demands that I take money out of my IRAs so they can confiscate 30% of it to buy Obamaphones, I might as well blow the rest of it on radios.  Depreciating it to zero, my current K3 cost me about $27 a month over the time I've owned it. Depending on how long I live, the monthly cost of the new one will likely be higher, but then buying all of those Obamaphones has deflated the value of our money anyway.  Might as well spend it while it has a little value left.
>>
>> Wes N7WS
>>

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Re: K3S

Jim Bolit
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Not in the private sector.

Compete or die

If you personally had $1,000 dollars, would you invest in Apple, IBM, Starbucks, or Walmart or invest it in the State Department of Vehicles (or other government sector)?

Jim
W6AIM





-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of David Cole
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 7:05 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S

Hi Jim,
You are wrong!  Most of the country does not want to work 30 hours and get paid for 40!!

They only do 30 hours of work, in a 40 hour period, and ARE getting paid for 40 hours.

--
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On Thu, 2015-05-14 at 18:52 -0700, jim wrote:

> Oh so true!
>
> Pretty soon, The U.S. population will be expecting to be paid for 40 hours of work, but only working 30 hours like some other countries in the world.
>
> One country's govt paid big Euro to fund a study to determine if this work 30/pay 40 would have an impact on productivity!!!  
>
> Jim
> W6AIM
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Wes (N7WS)
> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 1:15 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S
>
> I just cancelled my order for the upgraded synthesizer for my present K3 and ordered a K3s instead.:-)
>
> Since the government demands that I take money out of my IRAs so they can confiscate 30% of it to buy Obamaphones, I might as well blow the rest of it on radios.  Depreciating it to zero, my current K3 cost me about $27 a month over the time I've owned it. Depending on how long I live, the monthly cost of the new one will likely be higher, but then buying all of those Obamaphones has deflated the value of our money anyway.  Might as well spend it while it has a little value left.
>
> Wes N7WS
>
> On 5/14/2015 12:04 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote:
> > Looks good to me!
> >
> > The real benefit of most of the included upgrades is that they are
> > either already in my K3 (2xKSYNA) or they will be available for
> > upgrade later on.  I don’t really have an issue with K3 audio, or
> > knobs, or …
> >
> > Seems to me that an important question is the impact on overall
> > performance of the lower RF and quantization noise with the K3S’s new
> > RF board, since this is not being made available for retrofit into the
> > K3.  Hopefully, Elecraft or an early K3S adopter with the ability to
> > measure the difference will provide some hard information.  That’s
> > pretty much going to be my decision point about whether to drop $$ on
> > upgrading other parts of my K3 or just biting the bullet, reducing my
> > ability to eat for a few months later in retirement, and upgrading the
> > whole thing.  Or not … since given my usual operating habits, even the
> > K3 is more radio than I need ;-)
> >
> > Grant NQ5T
> > ______________________________________________________________
> >
>
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Re: K3S

NK7Z
Wish you were right...  But alas, the work ethic has changed in the past
40 or so years.  It took Radio Shack 20 years to die...
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On Thu, 2015-05-14 at 19:37 -0700, jim wrote:

> Not in the private sector.
>
> Compete or die
>
> If you personally had $1,000 dollars, would you invest in Apple, IBM, Starbucks, or Walmart or invest it in the State Department of Vehicles (or other government sector)?
>
> Jim
> W6AIM
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of David Cole
> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 7:05 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S
>
> Hi Jim,
> You are wrong!  Most of the country does not want to work 30 hours and get paid for 40!!
>
> They only do 30 hours of work, in a 40 hour period, and ARE getting paid for 40 hours.
>
> --
> Thanks and 73's,
> For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
> www.nk7z.net
> for MixW support see;
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
> for Dopplergram information see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
> for MM-SSTV see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info
>
>
> On Thu, 2015-05-14 at 18:52 -0700, jim wrote:
> > Oh so true!
> >
> > Pretty soon, The U.S. population will be expecting to be paid for 40 hours of work, but only working 30 hours like some other countries in the world.
> >
> > One country's govt paid big Euro to fund a study to determine if this work 30/pay 40 would have an impact on productivity!!!  
> >
> > Jim
> > W6AIM
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Wes (N7WS)
> > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 1:15 PM
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S
> >
> > I just cancelled my order for the upgraded synthesizer for my present K3 and ordered a K3s instead.:-)
> >
> > Since the government demands that I take money out of my IRAs so they can confiscate 30% of it to buy Obamaphones, I might as well blow the rest of it on radios.  Depreciating it to zero, my current K3 cost me about $27 a month over the time I've owned it. Depending on how long I live, the monthly cost of the new one will likely be higher, but then buying all of those Obamaphones has deflated the value of our money anyway.  Might as well spend it while it has a little value left.
> >
> > Wes N7WS
> >
> > On 5/14/2015 12:04 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote:
> > > Looks good to me!
> > >
> > > The real benefit of most of the included upgrades is that they are
> > > either already in my K3 (2xKSYNA) or they will be available for
> > > upgrade later on.  I don’t really have an issue with K3 audio, or
> > > knobs, or …
> > >
> > > Seems to me that an important question is the impact on overall
> > > performance of the lower RF and quantization noise with the K3S’s new
> > > RF board, since this is not being made available for retrofit into the
> > > K3.  Hopefully, Elecraft or an early K3S adopter with the ability to
> > > measure the difference will provide some hard information.  That’s
> > > pretty much going to be my decision point about whether to drop $$ on
> > > upgrading other parts of my K3 or just biting the bullet, reducing my
> > > ability to eat for a few months later in retirement, and upgrading the
> > > whole thing.  Or not … since given my usual operating habits, even the
> > > K3 is more radio than I need ;-)
> > >
> > > Grant NQ5T
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Re: K3S

Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ
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Folks - Political comments are inappropriate for this reflector. That portion of this thread is now closed. Please, no further political comments, regardless of who or what you prefer.

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