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Gary Smith-2

K3s Sensitive adjustment for FT8

Something new has come up with the
K3s/JTDX settings and I can't find where
to adjust it to make a change. This is
new, it has been fine till a couple days
ago & maybe the recent win 10 update
nailed me again?

Till now, when setting the levels for Tx
for FT8, I would adjust the setting on the
screen for 4-5 bars with the last one
flickering by adjusting the output with
the speed/Mic knob. The line level would
be somewhere around 5-7 to get this
reading.

Now I have what seems like
hyper-sensitivity, overdrive in that I now
get 5 solid bars with none flickering at
line level 2, I get no bars at line level
1.

With the K3s set at 20W drive:

At line level 0 I have no output.

At line level 1 I have 18W & no bars

At line level 2 I have 5 bars and 18W
output.

There is no adjustment to give me 1, 2, 3
or 4 bars.

I have tried setting the windows sound
settings at different values with no
success, this issue persists.

Any idears?

Thanks,

Gary
KA1J

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hbjr

Re: K3s Sensitive adjustment for FT8

Had almost the same thing happen after the update.

Make sure that WSJT-X is using the correct Audio codec.

The slider in WSJT-X for output will override windows sound settings.

Thanks,
Hank
K3S, PS, KX3

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Subject: [Elecraft] K3s Sensitive adjustment for FT8

Something new has come up with the
K3s/JTDX settings and I can't find where to adjust it to make a change. This
is new, it has been fine till a couple days ago & maybe the recent win 10
update nailed me again?

Till now, when setting the levels for Tx for FT8, I would adjust the setting
on the screen for 4-5 bars with the last one flickering by adjusting the
output with the speed/Mic knob. The line level would be somewhere around 5-7
to get this reading.

Now I have what seems like
hyper-sensitivity, overdrive in that I now get 5 solid bars with none
flickering at line level 2, I get no bars at line level 1.

With the K3s set at 20W drive:

At line level 0 I have no output.

At line level 1 I have 18W & no bars

At line level 2 I have 5 bars and 18W
output.

There is no adjustment to give me 1, 2, 3 or 4 bars.

I have tried setting the windows sound
settings at different values with no
success, this issue persists.

Any idears?

Thanks,

Gary
KA1J

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Nr4c

Re: K3s Sensitive adjustment for FT8

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Go to the Win10 volume mixer. Turn down the wsjt slider to about 30% from the bottom. Now the K3 Lin In control will have the proper adjustment sensitivity.

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...nr4c. bill

> On Jun 15, 2019, at 7:43 PM, Gary Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Something new has come up with the
> K3s/JTDX settings and I can't find where
> to adjust it to make a change. This is
> new, it has been fine till a couple days
> ago & maybe the recent win 10 update
> nailed me again?
>
> Till now, when setting the levels for Tx
> for FT8, I would adjust the setting on the
> screen for 4-5 bars with the last one
> flickering by adjusting the output with
> the speed/Mic knob. The line level would
> be somewhere around 5-7 to get this
> reading.
>
> Now I have what seems like
> hyper-sensitivity, overdrive in that I now
> get 5 solid bars with none flickering at
> line level 2, I get no bars at line level
> 1.
>
> With the K3s set at 20W drive:
>
> At line level 0 I have no output.
>
> At line level 1 I have 18W & no bars
>
> At line level 2 I have 5 bars and 18W
> output.
>
> There is no adjustment to give me 1, 2, 3
> or 4 bars.
>
> I have tried setting the windows sound
> settings at different values with no
> success, this issue persists.
>
> Any idears?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gary
> KA1J
>
>
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Bob McGraw - K4TAX

Re: K3s Sensitive adjustment for FT8

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You need to back down the level out of the computer. Also the PWR level in the software, which is actually audio level , needs to be backed down. This should allow you to run the Line Gain at 25 to 35. Never run any of the controls or levels at maximum or near minimum. Mid range is best and tweak each a small amount as necessary.

Bob, K4TAX

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> On Jun 15, 2019, at 6:43 PM, Gary Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Something new has come up with the
> K3s/JTDX settings and I can't find where
> to adjust it to make a change. This is
> new, it has been fine till a couple days
> ago & maybe the recent win 10 update
> nailed me again?
>
> Till now, when setting the levels for Tx
> for FT8, I would adjust the setting on the
> screen for 4-5 bars with the last one
> flickering by adjusting the output with
> the speed/Mic knob. The line level would
> be somewhere around 5-7 to get this
> reading.
>
> Now I have what seems like
> hyper-sensitivity, overdrive in that I now
> get 5 solid bars with none flickering at
> line level 2, I get no bars at line level
> 1.
>
> With the K3s set at 20W drive:
>
> At line level 0 I have no output.
>
> At line level 1 I have 18W & no bars
>
> At line level 2 I have 5 bars and 18W
> output.
>
> There is no adjustment to give me 1, 2, 3
> or 4 bars.
>
> I have tried setting the windows sound
> settings at different values with no
> success, this issue persists.
>
> Any idears?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gary
> KA1J
>
>
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Gary Smith-2

Re: K3s Sensitive adjustment for FT8

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Bill & all those who replied,

Thanks. I had tried turning everything to
around 52 in the windows device but that
did not resolve the issue. I dropped it to
1/3 and indeed that resolved the issue.
I've no idea why things are so different
than they were but They are what they are.

Thank you!

73,

Gary
KA1J

> Go to the Win10 volume mixer. Turn down the wsjt slider to about 30%
> from the bottom. Now the K3 Lin In control will have the proper
> adjustment sensitivity.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>
>
> > On Jun 15, 2019, at 7:43 PM, Gary Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Something new has come up with the
> > K3s/JTDX settings and I can't find where
> > to adjust it to make a change. This is
> > new, it has been fine till a couple days
> > ago & maybe the recent win 10 update
> > nailed me again?
> >
> > Till now, when setting the levels for Tx
> > for FT8, I would adjust the setting on the
> > screen for 4-5 bars with the last one
> > flickering by adjusting the output with
> > the speed/Mic knob. The line level would
> > be somewhere around 5-7 to get this
> > reading.
> >
> > Now I have what seems like
> > hyper-sensitivity, overdrive in that I now
> > get 5 solid bars with none flickering at
> > line level 2, I get no bars at line level
> > 1.
> >
> > With the K3s set at 20W drive:
> >
> > At line level 0 I have no output.
> >
> > At line level 1 I have 18W & no bars
> >
> > At line level 2 I have 5 bars and 18W
> > output.
> >
> > There is no adjustment to give me 1, 2, 3
> > or 4 bars.
> >
> > I have tried setting the windows sound
> > settings at different values with no
> > success, this issue persists.
> >
> > Any idears?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Gary
> > KA1J
> >
> >
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Bob McGraw - K4TAX

Re: K3s Sensitive adjustment for FT8

As I've written in the past, there are 3 places which affect the audio
levels.   As a good rule, all three need to be adjusted and all about
the same value.   Thus the computer SPKR level needs to be about 30% to
40%, the WSJT-X PWR slider about 30% to 40% and the radio line gain
about 30% to 40%.   These are of FULL VALUE what ever scale they may use.

If one has a value at 90% and another at 10% consider that as having one
foot mashing down on the accelerator and the other foot mashing down on
the brakes at the same time.   Well you can figure the results out for
yourself.

Windows does update things from time to time and thus things change.
Also if you use your computer for other "sound" activities, any change
made from that activity may or will change other things.    Just
understand how things works and expect to quickly be able to make
adjustments with good understanding as to why they need changing.
None is a set-and-forget system.

73

Bob, K4TAX

On 6/16/2019 4:50 PM, Gary Smith wrote:

> Bill & all those who replied,
>
> Thanks. I had tried turning everything to
> around 52 in the windows device but that
> did not resolve the issue. I dropped it to
> 1/3 and indeed that resolved the issue.
> I've no idea why things are so different
> than they were but They are what they are.
>
> Thank you!
>
> 73,
>
> Gary
> KA1J
>
>
>> Go to the Win10 volume mixer. Turn down the wsjt slider to about 30%
>> from the bottom. Now the K3 Lin In control will have the proper
>> adjustment sensitivity.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> ...nr4c. bill
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 15, 2019, at 7:43 PM, Gary Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Something new has come up with the
>>> K3s/JTDX settings and I can't find where
>>> to adjust it to make a change. This is
>>> new, it has been fine till a couple days
>>> ago & maybe the recent win 10 update
>>> nailed me again?
>>>
>>> Till now, when setting the levels for Tx
>>> for FT8, I would adjust the setting on the
>>> screen for 4-5 bars with the last one
>>> flickering by adjusting the output with
>>> the speed/Mic knob. The line level would
>>> be somewhere around 5-7 to get this
>>> reading.
>>>
>>> Now I have what seems like
>>> hyper-sensitivity, overdrive in that I now
>>> get 5 solid bars with none flickering at
>>> line level 2, I get no bars at line level
>>> 1.
>>>
>>> With the K3s set at 20W drive:
>>>
>>> At line level 0 I have no output.
>>>
>>> At line level 1 I have 18W & no bars
>>>
>>> At line level 2 I have 5 bars and 18W
>>> output.
>>>
>>> There is no adjustment to give me 1, 2, 3
>>> or 4 bars.
>>>
>>> I have tried setting the windows sound
>>> settings at different values with no
>>> success, this issue persists.
>>>
>>> Any idears?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Gary
>>> KA1J
>>>
>>>
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Don Wilhelm

Re: K3s Sensitive adjustment for FT8

Bob's statement (below) provides a good reason for using a dedicated USB
soundcard for digital modes - and make sure Windows does not set it as
the default soundcard.
You do not need an expensive soundcard for digital modes, many of them
can be found in the $25 price range and are more than adequate for the task.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/16/2019 6:04 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>
> Also if you use your computer for other "sound" activities, any change
> made from that activity may or will change other things. Just
> understand how things works and expect to quickly be able to make
> adjustments with good understanding as to why they need changing. None
> is a set-and-forget system.
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Gary Smith-2

Re: K3s Sensitive adjustment for FT8

All excellent advice. The issue for me is
this was new behavior, it was not like
this 2 weeks ago. I have from the
beginning, kept the windows sound levels
around 52 and always had the expected good
behavior. About a week ago I discovered I
was having the issues I posted about. I
had not made any adjustments and indeed
the computer and the software continued to
use the USB source from the K3s.

Baffling as to why the change.

73,

Gary
KA1J

> Bob's statement (below) provides a good reason for using a dedicated
> USB soundcard for digital modes - and make sure Windows does not set
> it as the default soundcard. You do not need an expensive soundcard
> for digital modes, many of them can be found in the $25 price range
> and are more than adequate for the task.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 6/16/2019 6:04 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> >
> > Also if you use your computer for other "sound" activities, any
> > change made from that activity may or will change other
> > things. Just understand how things works and expect to quickly
> > be able to make adjustments with good understanding as to why they
> > need changing. None is a set-and-forget system.
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Bob McGraw - K4TAX

Re: K3s Sensitive adjustment for FT8

Thanks to Microsoft for the update. Things changed.

73

Bob, K4TAX

On 6/16/2019 5:48 PM, Gary Smith wrote:

> All excellent advice. The issue for me is
> this was new behavior, it was not like
> this 2 weeks ago. I have from the
> beginning, kept the windows sound levels
> around 52 and always had the expected good
> behavior. About a week ago I discovered I
> was having the issues I posted about. I
> had not made any adjustments and indeed
> the computer and the software continued to
> use the USB source from the K3s.
>
> Baffling as to why the change.
>
> 73,
>
> Gary
> KA1J
>
>> Bob's statement (below) provides a good reason for using a dedicated
>> USB soundcard for digital modes - and make sure Windows does not set
>> it as the default soundcard. You do not need an expensive soundcard
>> for digital modes, many of them can be found in the $25 price range
>> and are more than adequate for the task.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 6/16/2019 6:04 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>>> Also if you use your computer for other "sound" activities, any
>>> change made from that activity may or will change other
>>> things. Just understand how things works and expect to quickly
>>> be able to make adjustments with good understanding as to why they
>>> need changing. None is a set-and-forget system.
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