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For reasons unknown to me, I am unable to view the K3s DATASHEET or FAQ.  Looking at the review of the K3s photo I see a USB connector and an Ethernet connector labeled as rs232/P3.  Am I correct?  For those that can read the datasheet and/or FAQ, what does the USB do and what does the Ethernet connector do?  I am not a computer wizard so be gentle.

73, Steve, K4FJ

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Re: K3s question

Guy Olinger K2AV
The K3S FAQ is a PDF file. Some combinations/settings of browser and PDF
reader plug-in will not allow direct viewing. The cause of this is often
personal security settings in the OS. The usual workaround is to download
the PDF's to your desktop and read them there. This a well-written
multi-page document that is better not copied into email.

73, Guy K2AV

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>
> For reasons unknown to me, I am unable to view the K3s DATASHEET or FAQ.
> Looking at the review of the K3s photo I see a USB connector and an
> Ethernet connector labeled as rs232/P3.  Am I correct?  For those that can
> read the datasheet and/or FAQ, what does the USB do and what does the
> Ethernet connector do?  I am not a computer wizard so be gentle.
>
> 73, Steve, K4FJ
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Re: K3s question

Don Wilhelm-4
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Steve,

That is an RJ-45 jack.  Even though the RJ-45 jack is also used for
Ethernet, the fact that an RJ-45 jack is present does not state (or even
imply) that it is an Ethernet connection - it is simply a compact 8 pin
jack.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/14/2015 6:16 PM, Outlook.com via Elecraft wrote:
> For reasons unknown to me, I am unable to view the K3s DATASHEET or FAQ.  Looking at the review of the K3s photo I see a USB connector and an Ethernet connector labeled as rs232/P3.  Am I correct?  For those that can read the datasheet and/or FAQ, what does the USB do and what does the Ethernet connector do?  I am not a computer wizard so be gentle.
>
>

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Re: K3s question

David Christ
The of an RJ-45 jack for a serial port is hardly innovative nor new.  Lantronix has been using them for well over 15 years.  I will be interested to see if Elecraft uses the same pin assignments.

Remember, RS-232 is not a physical connector specification.  It defines the signals.

David K0LUM


On May 14, 2015, at 11:10 PM, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:

> That is an RJ-45 jack.  Even though the RJ-45 jack is also used for Ethernet, the fact that an RJ-45 jack is present does not state (or even imply) that it is an Ethernet connection - it is simply a compact 8 pin jack.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR

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Re: K3s question

Jack Brindle-2
Not quite true. The EI232 spec as it is now called does indeed define the connector and pinouts in addition to signals and levels.
There are definitions included for DB-25, DE-9, RJ-45 and maybe a few others. Few vendors meet the entire spec, usually
leaving out a few handshake signals. But, this still allows them to claim spec compliance as long as the signal levels meet
the spec requirements.

RJ-45 serial ports have been shipped by a large number of vendors, including Sun Microsystems, HP and others.

- JackB, W6FB

> On May 14, 2015, at 9:50 PM, David Christ <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> The of an RJ-45 jack for a serial port is hardly innovative nor new.  Lantronix has been using them for well over 15 years.  I will be interested to see if Elecraft uses the same pin assignments.
>
> Remember, RS-232 is not a physical connector specification.  It defines the signals.
>
> David K0LUM
>
>
> On May 14, 2015, at 11:10 PM, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> That is an RJ-45 jack.  Even though the RJ-45 jack is also used for Ethernet, the fact that an RJ-45 jack is present does not state (or even imply) that it is an Ethernet connection - it is simply a compact 8 pin jack.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
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Re: K3s question

wayne burdick
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To ensure compatibility with existing stations, we supply an adapter cable with the K3S to convert from RJ45 to DE9. The DE9 end has the same pinout as the original RS232 jack on the K3.

Wayne
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> On May 15, 2015, at 1:17 AM, Jack Brindle <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Not quite true. The EI232 spec as it is now called does indeed define the connector and pinouts in addition to signals and levels.
> There are definitions included for DB-25, DE-9, RJ-45 and maybe a few others. Few vendors meet the entire spec, usually
> leaving out a few handshake signals. But, this still allows them to claim spec compliance as long as the signal levels meet
> the spec requirements.
>
> RJ-45 serial ports have been shipped by a large number of vendors, including Sun Microsystems, HP and others.
>
> - JackB, W6FB
>
>> On May 14, 2015, at 9:50 PM, David Christ <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> The of an RJ-45 jack for a serial port is hardly innovative nor new.  Lantronix has been using them for well over 15 years.  I will be interested to see if Elecraft uses the same pin assignments.
>>
>> Remember, RS-232 is not a physical connector specification.  It defines the signals.
>>
>> David K0LUM
>>
>>
>>> On May 14, 2015, at 11:10 PM, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> That is an RJ-45 jack.  Even though the RJ-45 jack is also used for Ethernet, the fact that an RJ-45 jack is present does not state (or even imply) that it is an Ethernet connection - it is simply a compact 8 pin jack.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
>>
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Re: K3s question

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I agree the connector is defined with RS232c as well as connectors for USB, Firewire, HPIB aka IEEE488, and SCSI III. The DB25 connector was around before RS232 was written. DB 25s were also used by IBM PC for the parallel and RS232 ports and by Apple for SCSI I & II. IBM later used the DA9 for serial while continuing to use the DB25 on the AT parallel port.

73, Fred, AE6QL


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>From: Jack Brindle <[hidden email]>
>Sent: May 14, 2015 10:17 PM
>To: Elecraft List <[hidden email]>
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3s question
>
>Not quite true. The EI232 spec as it is now called does indeed define the connector and pinouts in addition to signals and levels.
>There are definitions included for DB-25, DE-9, RJ-45 and maybe a few others. Few vendors meet the entire spec, usually
>leaving out a few handshake signals. But, this still allows them to claim spec compliance as long as the signal levels meet
>the spec requirements.
>
>RJ-45 serial ports have been shipped by a large number of vendors, including Sun Microsystems, HP and others.
>
>- JackB, W6FB
>
>> On May 14, 2015, at 9:50 PM, David Christ <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> The of an RJ-45 jack for a serial port is hardly innovative nor new.  Lantronix has been using them for well over 15 years.  I will be interested to see if Elecraft uses the same pin assignments.
>>
>> Remember, RS-232 is not a physical connector specification.  It defines the signals.
>>
>> David K0LUM
>>
>>
>> On May 14, 2015, at 11:10 PM, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> That is an RJ-45 jack.  Even though the RJ-45 jack is also used for Ethernet, the fact that an RJ-45 jack is present does not state (or even imply) that it is an Ethernet connection - it is simply a compact 8 pin jack.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
>>
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Re: K3s question

Robert .
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Wayne -  in K3s - what's the standard filter(s) that come with the rig???

W5AJ Robert

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Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 5:22 AM
To: Jack Brindle
Cc: Elecraft List
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3s question

To ensure compatibility with existing stations, we supply an adapter cable
with the K3S to convert from RJ45 to DE9. The DE9 end has the same pinout as
the original RS232 jack on the K3.

Wayne
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> On May 15, 2015, at 1:17 AM, Jack Brindle <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Not quite true. The EI232 spec as it is now called does indeed define the
connector and pinouts in addition to signals and levels.
> There are definitions included for DB-25, DE-9, RJ-45 and maybe a few
> others. Few vendors meet the entire spec, usually leaving out a few
> handshake signals. But, this still allows them to claim spec compliance as
long as the signal levels meet the spec requirements.
>
> RJ-45 serial ports have been shipped by a large number of vendors,
including Sun Microsystems, HP and others.
>
> - JackB, W6FB
>
>> On May 14, 2015, at 9:50 PM, David Christ <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> The of an RJ-45 jack for a serial port is hardly innovative nor new.
Lantronix has been using them for well over 15 years.  I will be interested
to see if Elecraft uses the same pin assignments.
>>
>> Remember, RS-232 is not a physical connector specification.  It defines
the signals.
>>
>> David K0LUM
>>
>>
>>> On May 14, 2015, at 11:10 PM, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> That is an RJ-45 jack.  Even though the RJ-45 jack is also used for
Ethernet, the fact that an RJ-45 jack is present does not state (or even
imply) that it is an Ethernet connection - it is simply a compact 8 pin
jack.

>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
>>
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Re: K3s question

Don Wilhelm-4
Robert,

That is unchanged, it comes with the 2.7kHz filter - same as the K3.
You can swap it for the 2.8 kHz 8 pole filter if desired, and you can
add up to 4 more filters in both the main RX and the subRX.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/19/2015 12:49 AM, Robert Wood wrote:
> Wayne -  in K3s - what's the standard filter(s) that come with the rig???
>
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Re: K3s question

Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ
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2.7 kHz 5-pole. ( The same as the original K3).

The DSP filter cascades after the crystal filter and can go down to 50 Hz.

73,

Eric
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_..._



> On May 18, 2015, at 9:49 PM, Robert Wood <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Wayne -  in K3s - what's the standard filter(s) that come with the rig???
>
> W5AJ Robert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Wayne
> Burdick
> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 5:22 AM
> To: Jack Brindle
> Cc: Elecraft List
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3s question
>
> To ensure compatibility with existing stations, we supply an adapter cable
> with the K3S to convert from RJ45 to DE9. The DE9 end has the same pinout as
> the original RS232 jack on the K3.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
> ----
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>
>> On May 15, 2015, at 1:17 AM, Jack Brindle <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Not quite true. The EI232 spec as it is now called does indeed define the
> connector and pinouts in addition to signals and levels.
>> There are definitions included for DB-25, DE-9, RJ-45 and maybe a few
>> others. Few vendors meet the entire spec, usually leaving out a few
>> handshake signals. But, this still allows them to claim spec compliance as
> long as the signal levels meet the spec requirements.
>>
>> RJ-45 serial ports have been shipped by a large number of vendors,
> including Sun Microsystems, HP and others.
>>
>> - JackB, W6FB
>>
>>> On May 14, 2015, at 9:50 PM, David Christ <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> The of an RJ-45 jack for a serial port is hardly innovative nor new.
> Lantronix has been using them for well over 15 years.  I will be interested
> to see if Elecraft uses the same pin assignments.
>>>
>>> Remember, RS-232 is not a physical connector specification.  It defines
> the signals.
>>>
>>> David K0LUM
>>>
>>>
>>>> On May 14, 2015, at 11:10 PM, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> That is an RJ-45 jack.  Even though the RJ-45 jack is also used for
> Ethernet, the fact that an RJ-45 jack is present does not state (or even
> imply) that it is an Ethernet connection - it is simply a compact 8 pin
> jack.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Don W3FPR
>>>
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Re: K3s question

N5GE
Eric,

If the filters are the same, then I would guess that the sub rx from a
K3 will feel at home in a K3s.

Is that correct?

Amateur Radio Operator
N5GE

On Tue, 19 May 2015 05:49:39 -0700, you wrote:

>2.7 kHz 5-pole. ( The same as the original K3).
>
>The DSP filter cascades after the crystal filter and can go down to 50 Hz.
>
>73,
>
>Eric
>elecraft.com
>_..._
>
>
>
>> On May 18, 2015, at 9:49 PM, Robert Wood <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Wayne -  in K3s - what's the standard filter(s) that come with the rig???
>>
>> W5AJ Robert
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Wayne
>> Burdick
>> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 5:22 AM
>> To: Jack Brindle
>> Cc: Elecraft List
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3s question
>>
>> To ensure compatibility with existing stations, we supply an adapter cable
>> with the K3S to convert from RJ45 to DE9. The DE9 end has the same pinout as
>> the original RS232 jack on the K3.
>>
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
>> ----
>> http://www.elecraft.com
>>
>>> On May 15, 2015, at 1:17 AM, Jack Brindle <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Not quite true. The EI232 spec as it is now called does indeed define the
>> connector and pinouts in addition to signals and levels.
>>> There are definitions included for DB-25, DE-9, RJ-45 and maybe a few
>>> others. Few vendors meet the entire spec, usually leaving out a few
>>> handshake signals. But, this still allows them to claim spec compliance as
>> long as the signal levels meet the spec requirements.
>>>
>>> RJ-45 serial ports have been shipped by a large number of vendors,
>> including Sun Microsystems, HP and others.
>>>
>>> - JackB, W6FB
>>>
>>>> On May 14, 2015, at 9:50 PM, David Christ <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The of an RJ-45 jack for a serial port is hardly innovative nor new.
>> Lantronix has been using them for well over 15 years.  I will be interested
>> to see if Elecraft uses the same pin assignments.
>>>>
>>>> Remember, RS-232 is not a physical connector specification.  It defines
>> the signals.
>>>>
>>>> David K0LUM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On May 14, 2015, at 11:10 PM, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> That is an RJ-45 jack.  Even though the RJ-45 jack is also used for
>> Ethernet, the fact that an RJ-45 jack is present does not state (or even
>> imply) that it is an Ethernet connection - it is simply a compact 8 pin
>> jack.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73,
>>>>> Don W3FPR
>>>>
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Re: K3s question

wayne burdick
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Correct. And it's "K3S", not "K3s" :)

Wayne
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On May 19, 2015, at 7:41 AM, Amateur Radio Operator N5GE <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Eric,
>
> If the filters are the same, then I would guess that the sub rx from a
> K3 will feel at home in a K3s.
>
> Is that correct?
>
> Amateur Radio Operator
> N5GE
>
> On Tue, 19 May 2015 05:49:39 -0700, you wrote:
>
>> 2.7 kHz 5-pole. ( The same as the original K3).
>>
>> The DSP filter cascades after the crystal filter and can go down to 50 Hz.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Eric
>> elecraft.com
>> _..._
>>
>>
>>
>>> On May 18, 2015, at 9:49 PM, Robert Wood <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Wayne -  in K3s - what's the standard filter(s) that come with the rig???
>>>
>>> W5AJ Robert
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Wayne
>>> Burdick
>>> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 5:22 AM
>>> To: Jack Brindle
>>> Cc: Elecraft List
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3s question
>>>
>>> To ensure compatibility with existing stations, we supply an adapter cable
>>> with the K3S to convert from RJ45 to DE9. The DE9 end has the same pinout as
>>> the original RS232 jack on the K3.
>>>
>>> Wayne
>>> N6KR
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>>>> On May 15, 2015, at 1:17 AM, Jack Brindle <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Not quite true. The EI232 spec as it is now called does indeed define the
>>> connector and pinouts in addition to signals and levels.
>>>> There are definitions included for DB-25, DE-9, RJ-45 and maybe a few
>>>> others. Few vendors meet the entire spec, usually leaving out a few
>>>> handshake signals. But, this still allows them to claim spec compliance as
>>> long as the signal levels meet the spec requirements.
>>>>
>>>> RJ-45 serial ports have been shipped by a large number of vendors,
>>> including Sun Microsystems, HP and others.
>>>>
>>>> - JackB, W6FB
>>>>
>>>>> On May 14, 2015, at 9:50 PM, David Christ <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The of an RJ-45 jack for a serial port is hardly innovative nor new.
>>> Lantronix has been using them for well over 15 years.  I will be interested
>>> to see if Elecraft uses the same pin assignments.
>>>>>
>>>>> Remember, RS-232 is not a physical connector specification.  It defines
>>> the signals.
>>>>>
>>>>> David K0LUM
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 14, 2015, at 11:10 PM, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is an RJ-45 jack.  Even though the RJ-45 jack is also used for
>>> Ethernet, the fact that an RJ-45 jack is present does not state (or even
>>> imply) that it is an Ethernet connection - it is simply a compact 8 pin
>>> jack.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>> Don W3FPR
>>>>>
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Re: FW: K3s question

Rose
The question has already been answered and "K3S" is now programmed into the
embroidery software.  (:-)

Thanks!

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Re: K3s question

Scott Manthe-2
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Here you go, Rose. From the horse's mouth, sort of... :)

73,
Scott, N9AA

On 5/19/15 11:08 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> Correct. And it's "K3S", not "K3s" :)
>
> Wayne
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Re: FW: K3s question

HarryW
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Actually, Wayne answered the question on May 14th, the day the K3S was
announced:

Generally it's supposed to be "K3S" (capital). Please use that in email.

However, on the radio itself, and in the owner's manual (etc.) we use a
slightly smaller capital "S". To be specific, about 85% of a full-height
capital. This just seemed like the right thing to do. Don't get me started
on branding and graphic design....

I'm looking forward to seeing a blog post with the official "S" scaling :)

73,
Wayne
N6KR

Just trying to be accurate.

Harry K1RSA

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Rose
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 5:02 PM
To: Mike Flowers; Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FW: K3s question

The question has already been answered and "K3S" is now programmed into the
embroidery software.  (:-)

Thanks!

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Re: FW: K3s question

k6dgw
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You do this with software??  I had visions of a Betsy Ross sitting in
her parlor doing my K2 case by hand. :-)

73,

Fred K6DGW
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On 5/31/2015 2:01 PM, Rose wrote:
> The question has already been answered and "K3S" is now programmed into the
> embroidery software.  (:-)

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Re: FW: K3s question

Gary Gregory-2
I would worry Ken would not get supper too often...:-)

Gary

On 1 June 2015 at 13:56, Fred Jensen <[hidden email]> wrote:

> You do this with software??  I had visions of a Betsy Ross sitting in her
> parlor doing my K2 case by hand. :-)
>
> 73,
>
> Fred K6DGW
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> On 5/31/2015 2:01 PM, Rose wrote:
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>> The question has already been answered and "K3S" is now programmed into
>> the
>> embroidery software.  (:-)
>>
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