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PAUL GM0BKC

K3s-wsjt-wspr

Hi all
I'm currently trying to set up wspr on the k3s I've downloaded v.1.7 wsjt
Now everything seems to be looking ok
When I check cat that's all working fine and tx that works too. I've got
the alc abt 4 bars on tx and can hear the tone in tx via monitor.
I see the waterfall and lots of activity
But I don't seem to be receiving any stations just the odd one pops up evey
now and then.
I'm on windows 10 and have checked the sound is set as it should be.
But still problematic
Even tx seems to be txing but when I check wspr net nothing is coming
through.
So is it settings on the k3s?
Any help would be greatful.
Vy73 Paul
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Nr4c

Re: K3s-wsjt-wspr

Go to control panel and use Date/Time app to synchronize the time. You can have everything set perfect but if the clock is off, it will just stare at you.

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill

> On Jan 15, 2017, at 6:14 AM, PAUL GM0BKC <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi all
> I'm currently trying to set up wspr on the k3s I've downloaded v.1.7 wsjt
> Now everything seems to be looking ok
> When I check cat that's all working fine and tx that works too. I've got
> the alc abt 4 bars on tx and can hear the tone in tx via monitor.
> I see the waterfall and lots of activity
> But I don't seem to be receiving any stations just the odd one pops up evey
> now and then.
> I'm on windows 10 and have checked the sound is set as it should be.
> But still problematic
> Even tx seems to be txing but when I check wspr net nothing is coming
> through.
> So is it settings on the k3s?
> Any help would be greatful.
> Vy73 Paul
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Gordon LaPoint

Re: K3s-wsjt-wspr

The windows time sync is not good enough to use for the jt or wspr
timing, it only updates once a week. Your clock must be within a
couple os seconds to be decoded and do decoding.
I recoment using the Meinberg ntp client, see:
https://www.meinbergglobal.com/english/sw/ntp.htm#ntp_nt_stable
Use the one for Windows XP and newer.

Gordon - N1MGO

On 1/15/2017 7:02 AM, Nr4c wrote:

> Go to control panel and use Date/Time app to synchronize the time. You can have everything set perfect but if the clock is off, it will just stare at you.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>
>
>> On Jan 15, 2017, at 6:14 AM, PAUL GM0BKC <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all
>> I'm currently trying to set up wspr on the k3s I've downloaded v.1.7 wsjt
>> Now everything seems to be looking ok
>> When I check cat that's all working fine and tx that works too. I've got
>> the alc abt 4 bars on tx and can hear the tone in tx via monitor.
>> I see the waterfall and lots of activity
>> But I don't seem to be receiving any stations just the odd one pops up evey
>> now and then.
>> I'm on windows 10 and have checked the sound is set as it should be.
>> But still problematic
>> Even tx seems to be txing but when I check wspr net nothing is coming
>> through.
>> So is it settings on the k3s?
>> Any help would be greatful.
>> Vy73 Paul
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John-6

Re: K3s-wsjt-wspr

Gordon,

One thing to note here: if your computer's real time clock is losing more
than a second per week then something is seriously wrong with it!

As an aside, I would also strongly recommend not using the default time
sources that are recommended by Windows - the most reliable ones out there
are 0.pool.ntp.org and 1.pool.ntp.org - the NTP pool provided there will
remove a server that drifts by even a microsecond. Microsoft even advises
not using their time servers for time-critical applications.

At a previous job I worked in a data centre. Our server OSs used the basic
Windows NTP client, syncing with our own time server (which had multiple
sync sources itself), and despite only syncing once a week, none of the
database servers or webservers ever drifted even a second per week.

If your system is drifting that much, something is wrong and needs fixing.
Start with looking at replacing your CMOS battery.

73, and a firm left handshake,
John (XLX)

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gordon
LaPoint
Sent: 15 January 2017 14:08
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3s-wsjt-wspr

The windows time sync is not good enough to use for the jt or wspr
timing, it only updates once a week. Your clock must be within a
couple os seconds to be decoded and do decoding.
I recoment using the Meinberg ntp client, see:
https://www.meinbergglobal.com/english/sw/ntp.htm#ntp_nt_stable
Use the one for Windows XP and newer.

Gordon - N1MGO

On 1/15/2017 7:02 AM, Nr4c wrote:
> Go to control panel and use Date/Time app to synchronize the time. You can
have everything set perfect but if the clock is off, it will just stare at
you.

>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>
>
>> On Jan 15, 2017, at 6:14 AM, PAUL GM0BKC <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all
>> I'm currently trying to set up wspr on the k3s I've downloaded v.1.7
>> wsjt Now everything seems to be looking ok When I check cat that's
>> all working fine and tx that works too. I've got the alc abt 4 bars
>> on tx and can hear the tone in tx via monitor.
>> I see the waterfall and lots of activity But I don't seem to be
>> receiving any stations just the odd one pops up evey now and then.
>> I'm on windows 10 and have checked the sound is set as it should be.
>> But still problematic
>> Even tx seems to be txing but when I check wspr net nothing is coming
>> through.
>> So is it settings on the k3s?
>> Any help would be greatful.
>> Vy73 Paul
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Gordon LaPoint

Re: K3s-wsjt-wspr

John,
Some of us run old *OLD* hardware, with mods. The clocks on
many system boards are very poor time keepers. JT65, JT9, WSPR and
several more modes depend on the computer clock being exact, so why take
a chance on the time, just use a *RELIABLE* ntp client. Data centers
usually have much more expensive hardware that the average home cpu.
Microsoft has had a very poor reputation with its time keeping for
several decades now, for the average home cpu and software.
Please remember that your experience with windows may not be the
same as other all others here, that is why I offer an alternitive for
ntp that is KNOWN to work much better.
I have enough other problems in life than to worry about why MS
cannot keep my clock on time, so I fixed it, with a real ntp client.
Please don't assume that everyone has expensive modern hardware.

thank you,
Gordon - N1MGO

On 1/15/2017 9:28 AM, John wrote:

> Gordon,
>
> One thing to note here: if your computer's real time clock is losing more
> than a second per week then something is seriously wrong with it!
>
> As an aside, I would also strongly recommend not using the default time
> sources that are recommended by Windows - the most reliable ones out there
> are 0.pool.ntp.org and 1.pool.ntp.org - the NTP pool provided there will
> remove a server that drifts by even a microsecond. Microsoft even advises
> not using their time servers for time-critical applications.
>
> At a previous job I worked in a data centre. Our server OSs used the basic
> Windows NTP client, syncing with our own time server (which had multiple
> sync sources itself), and despite only syncing once a week, none of the
> database servers or webservers ever drifted even a second per week.
>
> If your system is drifting that much, something is wrong and needs fixing.
> Start with looking at replacing your CMOS battery.
>
> 73, and a firm left handshake,
> John (XLX)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gordon
> LaPoint
> Sent: 15 January 2017 14:08
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3s-wsjt-wspr
>
> The windows time sync is not good enough to use for the jt or wspr
> timing, it only updates once a week. Your clock must be within a
> couple os seconds to be decoded and do decoding.
> I recoment using the Meinberg ntp client, see:
> https://www.meinbergglobal.com/english/sw/ntp.htm#ntp_nt_stable
> Use the one for Windows XP and newer.
>
> Gordon - N1MGO
>
> On 1/15/2017 7:02 AM, Nr4c wrote:
>> Go to control panel and use Date/Time app to synchronize the time. You can
> have everything set perfect but if the clock is off, it will just stare at
> you.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> ...nr4c. bill
>>
>>
>>> On Jan 15, 2017, at 6:14 AM, PAUL GM0BKC <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all
>>> I'm currently trying to set up wspr on the k3s I've downloaded v.1.7
>>> wsjt Now everything seems to be looking ok When I check cat that's
>>> all working fine and tx that works too. I've got the alc abt 4 bars
>>> on tx and can hear the tone in tx via monitor.
>>> I see the waterfall and lots of activity But I don't seem to be
>>> receiving any stations just the odd one pops up evey now and then.
>>> I'm on windows 10 and have checked the sound is set as it should be.
>>> But still problematic
>>> Even tx seems to be txing but when I check wspr net nothing is coming
>>> through.
>>> So is it settings on the k3s?
>>> Any help would be greatful.
>>> Vy73 Paul
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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Gary K9GS

Re: K3s-wsjt-wspr

I use this one, works great on Windows 10:

http://www.timesynctool.com/

On 1/15/2017 10:15 AM, Gordon LaPoint wrote:

> John,
> Some of us run old *OLD* hardware, with mods. The clocks on
> many system boards are very poor time keepers. JT65, JT9, WSPR and
> several more modes depend on the computer clock being exact, so why
> take a chance on the time, just use a *RELIABLE* ntp client. Data
> centers usually have much more expensive hardware that the average
> home cpu. Microsoft has had a very poor reputation with its time
> keeping for several decades now, for the average home cpu and software.
> Please remember that your experience with windows may not be the
> same as other all others here, that is why I offer an alternitive for
> ntp that is KNOWN to work much better.
> I have enough other problems in life than to worry about why MS
> cannot keep my clock on time, so I fixed it, with a real ntp client.
> Please don't assume that everyone has expensive modern hardware.
>
> thank you,
> Gordon - N1MGO
>
> On 1/15/2017 9:28 AM, John wrote:
>> Gordon,
>>
>> One thing to note here: if your computer's real time clock is losing
>> more
>> than a second per week then something is seriously wrong with it!
>>
>> As an aside, I would also strongly recommend not using the default time
>> sources that are recommended by Windows - the most reliable ones out
>> there
>> are 0.pool.ntp.org and 1.pool.ntp.org - the NTP pool provided there will
>> remove a server that drifts by even a microsecond. Microsoft even
>> advises
>> not using their time servers for time-critical applications.
>>
>> At a previous job I worked in a data centre. Our server OSs used the
>> basic
>> Windows NTP client, syncing with our own time server (which had multiple
>> sync sources itself), and despite only syncing once a week, none of the
>> database servers or webservers ever drifted even a second per week.
>>
>> If your system is drifting that much, something is wrong and needs
>> fixing.
>> Start with looking at replacing your CMOS battery.
>>
>> 73, and a firm left handshake,
>> John (XLX)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
>> Gordon
>> LaPoint
>> Sent: 15 January 2017 14:08
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3s-wsjt-wspr
>>
>> The windows time sync is not good enough to use for the jt or wspr
>> timing, it only updates once a week. Your clock must be within a
>> couple os seconds to be decoded and do decoding.
>> I recoment using the Meinberg ntp client, see:
>> https://www.meinbergglobal.com/english/sw/ntp.htm#ntp_nt_stable
>> Use the one for Windows XP and newer.
>>
>> Gordon - N1MGO
>>
>> On 1/15/2017 7:02 AM, Nr4c wrote:
>>> Go to control panel and use Date/Time app to synchronize the time.
>>> You can
>> have everything set perfect but if the clock is off, it will just
>> stare at
>> you.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> ...nr4c. bill
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jan 15, 2017, at 6:14 AM, PAUL GM0BKC <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all
>>>> I'm currently trying to set up wspr on the k3s I've downloaded v.1.7
>>>> wsjt Now everything seems to be looking ok When I check cat that's
>>>> all working fine and tx that works too. I've got the alc abt 4 bars
>>>> on tx and can hear the tone in tx via monitor.
>>>> I see the waterfall and lots of activity But I don't seem to be
>>>> receiving any stations just the odd one pops up evey now and then.
>>>> I'm on windows 10 and have checked the sound is set as it should be.
>>>> But still problematic
>>>> Even tx seems to be txing but when I check wspr net nothing is coming
>>>> through.
>>>> So is it settings on the k3s?
>>>> Any help would be greatful.
>>>> Vy73 Paul
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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Re: K3s-wsjt-wspr

In reply to this post by Gordon LaPoint

I see New hardware in data centers lose more than a second a week without a external clock source to update them.
Most the data centers I work in just use a GPS clock (Netclock) to set the time throughout the network.

From: Gordon LaPoint <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3s-wsjt-wspr

John,
Some of us run old *OLD* hardware, with mods. The clocks on
many system boards are very poor time keepers. JT65, JT9, WSPR and
several more modes depend on the computer clock being exact, so why take
a chance on the time, just use a *RELIABLE* ntp client. Data centers
usually have much more expensive hardware that the average home cpu.
Microsoft has had a very poor reputation with its time keeping for
several decades now, for the average home cpu and software.
Please remember that your experience with windows may not be the
same as other all others here, that is why I offer an alternitive for
ntp that is KNOWN to work much better.
I have enough other problems in life than to worry about why MS
cannot keep my clock on time, so I fixed it, with a real ntp client.
Please don't assume that everyone has expensive modern hardware.

thank you,
Gordon - N1MGO

On 1/15/2017 9:28 AM, John wrote:

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Bill Frantz

Re: K3s-wsjt-wspr

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I added a Maxim DS3231 "extremely accurate I2C real- time clock
(RTC) with an integrated temperature- compensated crystal
oscillator (TCXO) and crystal"[1] to my BeagleBone Black based
Linux system. It appears to lose 1 second every 5 to 10 days,
which makes it possible to do these modes in the field if the
clock has been set recently. Since it is a separate board, it
could be added to many different computers/radios.

73 Bill AE6JV

[1] <https://cdn-learn.adafruit.com/downloads/pdf/adafruit-ds3231-precision-rtc-breakout.pdf>

On 1/15/17 at 12:38 PM, [hidden email] (Harry Yingst
via Elecraft) wrote:

>I see New hardware in data centers lose more than a second a
>week without a external clock source to update them.

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