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Richard-6

K4 Lore

Does the basic plain vanilla K4 have a built-in antenna tuner? I'm guessing no.

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Dave Van Wallaghen-2

Re: K4 Lore

The KAT4 ATU is an option and not included in the 3 defined models.

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> Does the basic plain vanilla K4 have a built-in antenna tuner? I'm guessing no.
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Ed K1EP

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No. Extra on all versions.

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> Does the basic plain vanilla K4 have a built-in antenna tuner? I'm
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Rick Tavan-2

Re: K4 Lore

Ed K1EP mentioned that the K4 ATU is a cost-extra option on all K4 models.
This is as it should be. If you have an external tuner in the shack or at
the antenna or a tuner integrated into an amplifier that's always in line
(or in Standby with the tuner enabled) or if all your antennas are well
matched, you wouldn't want to pay Elecraft for a tuner inside K4 that you
wouldn't be using. OTOH if, like me, you sometimes take your K4 to the
field or operate it at a shack where there is no external auto-tuner, then
the K4 ATU option is delightful. IMHO, Elecraft made some good decisions on
what to include as standard and what to "optionalize" in K4.

/Rick N6XI

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> No. Extra on all versions.
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> > Does the basic plain vanilla K4 have a built-in antenna tuner? I'm
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Macy monkeys

Re: K4 Lore

Yes and no; both the IC-7610 and FTdx101 models include an internal tuner without an optional charge.

John K7FD

> On Jun 3, 2021, at 9:23 PM, Rick Tavan <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Ed K1EP mentioned that the K4 ATU is a cost-extra option on all K4 models.
> This is as it should be. If you have an external tuner in the shack or at
> the antenna or a tuner integrated into an amplifier that's always in line
> (or in Standby with the tuner enabled) or if all your antennas are well
> matched, you wouldn't want to pay Elecraft for a tuner inside K4 that you
> wouldn't be using. OTOH if, like me, you sometimes take your K4 to the
> field or operate it at a shack where there is no external auto-tuner, then
> the K4 ATU option is delightful. IMHO, Elecraft made some good decisions on
> what to include as standard and what to "optionalize" in K4.
>
> /Rick N6XI
>
>> On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 7:16 AM Ed K1EP <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> No. Extra on all versions.
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>>> On Thu, Jun 3, 2021, 09:58 Richard <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>>> Does the basic plain vanilla K4 have a built-in antenna tuner? I'm
>>> guessing no.
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Julia Tuttle

Re: K4 Lore

Elecraft's ATUs are generally wider range than other manufacturers', I
thought, and that comes at a parts cost that everyone might not want to
pay. I'd rather have the option for a wide range one than a built-in but
less capable one.

On Fri, Jun 4, 2021, 00:41 John Nicholson <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Yes and no; both the IC-7610 and FTdx101 models include an internal tuner
> without an optional charge.
>
> John K7FD
>
> > On Jun 3, 2021, at 9:23 PM, Rick Tavan <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Ed K1EP mentioned that the K4 ATU is a cost-extra option on all K4
> models.
> > This is as it should be. If you have an external tuner in the shack or at
> > the antenna or a tuner integrated into an amplifier that's always in line
> > (or in Standby with the tuner enabled) or if all your antennas are well
> > matched, you wouldn't want to pay Elecraft for a tuner inside K4 that you
> > wouldn't be using. OTOH if, like me, you sometimes take your K4 to the
> > field or operate it at a shack where there is no external auto-tuner,
> then
> > the K4 ATU option is delightful. IMHO, Elecraft made some good decisions
> on
> > what to include as standard and what to "optionalize" in K4.
> >
> > /Rick N6XI
> >
> >> On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 7:16 AM Ed K1EP <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>
> >> No. Extra on all versions.
> >>
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> >>> On Thu, Jun 3, 2021, 09:58 Richard <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Does the basic plain vanilla K4 have a built-in antenna tuner? I'm
> >>> guessing no.
> >>>
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wayne burdick

Re: K4 Lore

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That's true. But the KAT4 has 3 antenna jacks, any of which can also be used as an RX antenna, and the KAT4 covers a 10:1 impedance range compared to 3:1 for both the '7610 and '101.

Wayne
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> On Jun 3, 2021, at 9:40 PM, John Nicholson <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Yes and no; both the IC-7610 and FTdx101 models include an internal tuner without an optional charge.
>
> John K7FD
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>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 9:23 PM, Rick Tavan <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Ed K1EP mentioned that the K4 ATU is a cost-extra option on all K4 models.
>> This is as it should be. If you have an external tuner in the shack or at
>> the antenna or a tuner integrated into an amplifier that's always in line
>> (or in Standby with the tuner enabled) or if all your antennas are well
>> matched, you wouldn't want to pay Elecraft for a tuner inside K4 that you
>> wouldn't be using. OTOH if, like me, you sometimes take your K4 to the
>> field or operate it at a shack where there is no external auto-tuner, then
>> the K4 ATU option is delightful. IMHO, Elecraft made some good decisions on
>> what to include as standard and what to "optionalize" in K4.
>>
>> /Rick N6XI
>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 7:16 AM Ed K1EP <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> No. Extra on all versions.
>>>
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>>>> On Thu, Jun 3, 2021, 09:58 Richard <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Does the basic plain vanilla K4 have a built-in antenna tuner? I'm
>>>> guessing no.
>>>>
>>>> Richard Kunc ~ W4KBX
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Jim Brown-10

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On 6/3/2021 9:40 PM, John Nicholson wrote:
> Yes and no; both the IC-7610 and FTdx101 models include an internal tuner without an optional charge.

From its beginnings, a key element of Elecraft's business model has
been to make their products modular, so that users can buy only what
they need, and to add modules as their needs/operating activity changes.

BTW -- Yaesu rigs have long been notorious for clicks and they now
exhibit serious splatter on SSB. Older ICOM rigs were about half as back
for clicks.

73, Jim K9YC

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Yes and No,
While the FTDX101 does have an antenna tuner, it will only tune up to a 3:1 mismatch. Elecraft tuners will match 10:1. They Yaesu tuner also has problems like not memorizing tuning solutions in circumstances where it really should. I don't remember the details but it is truly nonsensical. So, it has to re-tune where it shouldn't have to. I have a FTDX101MP and I wish they had just left the tuner out.
I ended up buying a KAT500 and it is a perfect solution. I truly could not ask for better performance and ease of use.
Elecraft tuners are optional. But they also work phenomenally well and are worth every penny you pay for them.
Richard - K4KRW

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Yes and no; both the IC-7610 and FTdx101 models include an internal tuner without an optional charge.

John K7FD

> On Jun 3, 2021, at 9:23 PM, Rick Tavan <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> ?Ed K1EP mentioned that the K4 ATU is a cost-extra option on all K4 models.
> This is as it should be. If you have an external tuner in the shack or at
> the antenna or a tuner integrated into an amplifier that's always in line
> (or in Standby with the tuner enabled) or if all your antennas are well
> matched, you wouldn't want to pay Elecraft for a tuner inside K4 that you
> wouldn't be using. OTOH if, like me, you sometimes take your K4 to the
> field or operate it at a shack where there is no external auto-tuner, then
> the K4 ATU option is delightful. IMHO, Elecraft made some good decisions on
> what to include as standard and what to "optionalize" in K4.
>
> /Rick N6XI
>
>> On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 7:16 AM Ed K1EP <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> No. Extra on all versions.
>>
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>>> On Thu, Jun 3, 2021, 09:58 Richard <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Does the basic plain vanilla K4 have a built-in antenna tuner? I'm
>>> guessing no.
>>>
>>> Richard Kunc ~ W4KBX
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On 6/4/2021 1:19 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 6/3/2021 9:40 PM, John Nicholson wrote:
>> Yes and no; both the IC-7610 and FTdx101 models include an internal
>> tuner without an optional charge.
>
> From its beginnings, a key element of Elecraft's business model has
> been to make their products modular,

> "" users can buy only what they need, "" sounds like a very
> Progressive" idea,,,, ( Progressive Insurance TV ad ) .....Emu &
> Dave......

> BTW -- Yaesu rigs have long been notorious for clicks and they now
> exhibit serious splatter on SSB. Older ICOM rigs were about half as
> back for clicks.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
>
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Bill Frantz

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On 6/4/21 at 7:16 AM, [hidden email] (rydodd--- via
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>Elecraft tuners are optional. But they also work phenomenally
>well and are worth every penny you pay for them.

I had a long journey with my Elecraft tuners. I started with a
K3/10. I then added a T1 tuner so I could use the tuner with
other QRP radios. This setup worked quite well, if not a
conveniently as an internal tuner in a K3.

Then my wife, after watching me work QRP in CQP with marginal
antennas said, "Oh go out and get the 100W amp." The order went
out very quickly, before she could change her mind. I had some
matched antennas and they worked well at 100W and I reduced
power for the bands which needed the T1.

After hitting the T1 with 100W a couple of times -- it survived
and still works well -- I got the internal tuner in the K3. I'm
a happy camper.

73 Bill AE6JV

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