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Is the user manual for the K4 available? If so, where?

Tnx.

Mark, K6FG

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Nr4c

Re: K4 Manual

No. Not until radios start to ship.

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> On Aug 3, 2020, at 10:05 PM, m.weiss--- via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Is the user manual for the K4 available? If so, where?
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> Tnx.
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> Mark, K6FG
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Gary Smith-2

K4 training

I would really like it if when the K4 is
released, there were also released on the
same day, training videos showing what to
push, what to enter, a how-to set of
videos covering different topics of
interest.

Either a bunch of short ones on a web
page, sorted by topic & exactly to the
point so they'd be easy to find and could
be easily replayed till the idea is
understood. That, or a good legend
accompanying a long, more encompassing
presentation with reference time marks to
know where to search for a given
demonstration.

We all learn differently, I have 11 years
of college under my belt, but in my old
age I still say I learn best by observing
a demonstration than otherwise.

But that's just me.

73,

Gary
KA1J
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Doug Turnbull

Re: K4 training

Gary makes a good suggestion. TenTec use to have a CD which accompanied the Orion 2. This is going to be a pretty complex radio with all its features. "Are we there yet?"Hang in there good ship Elecraft.73 Doug EI2CNPS Now feel for our friends who do not speak English. That is the majority of mankind.Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------From: Gary Smith <[hidden email]> Date: 04/08/2020 07:05 (GMT+00:00) To: [hidden email] Subject: [Elecraft] K4 training I would really like it if when the K4 is released, there were also released on the same day, training videos showing what to push, what to enter, a how-to set of videos covering different topics of interest. Either a bunch of short ones on a web page, sorted by topic & exactly to the point so they'd be easy to find and could be easily replayed till the idea is understood. That, or a good legend accompanying a long, more encompassing presentation with reference time marks to know where to search for a given demonstration.We all learn differently, I have 11 years of college under my belt, but in my old age I still say I learn best by observing a demonstration than otherwise.But that's just me.73,GaryKA1J______________________________________________________________Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:[hidden email] list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htmlMessage delivered to [hidden email]
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Stephen Shearer

Re: K4 training

I AM SURE...
When the first K4 is in the hands of users, that there will be a
"flurry" of YouTube un-boxing videos. I am sure the how-to videos will
follow.

73, steve WB3LGC

On 8/4/20 3:47 AM, turnbull wrote:
>
> Gary makes a good suggestion. TenTec use to have a CD which accompanied the Orion 2. This is going to be a pretty complex radio with all its features. "Are we there yet?"Hang in there good ship Elecraft.73 Doug EI2CNPS Now feel for our friends who do not speak English. That is the majority of mankind.Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
> -------- Original message --------From: Gary Smith <[hidden email]> Date: 04/08/2020 07:05 (GMT+00:00) To: [hidden email] Subject: [Elecraft] K4 training I would really like it if when the K4 is released, there were also released on the same day, training videos showing what to push, what to enter, a how-to set of videos covering different topics of interest. Either a bunch of short ones on a web page, sorted by topic & exactly to the point so they'd be easy to find and could be easily replayed till the idea is understood. That, or a good legend accompanying a long, more encompassing presentation with reference time marks to know where to search for a given demonstration.We all learn differently, I have 11 years of college under my belt, but in my old age I still say I learn best by observing a demonstration than otherwise.But that's just me.73,GaryKA1J______________________________________________________________
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Josh Fiden

Re: K4 training

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I see Elecraft has a youtube channel with 3 videos uploaded in the last few days. If we all subscribe to their channel that will be good incentive for them to produce content!

https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCgPCrQYQttH83UWwZi_q4xQ

73
Josh W6XU

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Grant Youngman-2

Re: K4 training

Good stuff.

Grant NQ5T

> On Aug 4, 2020, at 1:12 PM, Josh Fiden <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> I see Elecraft has a youtube channel with 3 videos uploaded in the last few days. If we all subscribe to their channel that will be good incentive for them to produce content!
>
> https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCgPCrQYQttH83UWwZi_q4xQ
>
> 73
> Josh W6XU
>
> Sent from my mobile device

Eric Norris-2

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Share with your friends, club, or both!

73 Eric WD6DBM

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> I see Elecraft has a youtube channel with 3 videos uploaded in the last
> few days. If we all subscribe to their channel that will be good incentive
> for them to produce content!
>
> https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCgPCrQYQttH83UWwZi_q4xQ
>
> 73
> Josh W6XU
>
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Gary Smith-2

Re: K4 training

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Yes,

That's the current way of things. What I
suggest would be more like an on-line
video operator's manual sanctioned by
Elecraft, with logical menu to find the
how-to, exactly, the function you want
being done.

I'm not thinking so much where is the
Power Switch, but more like how to
determine which thought process to use
with the K4/K4D/K4HD to best accomplish
commonly used procedures, and then how to
get that done. Things like the display
will be a bugger for awhile & the picture
being worth a thousand words concept is
magnified with concise video.

Do-it-yourselfers on youtube will not get
to the point & will be offering opinions
which isn't helpful to the direct
question. More, you'll have to use
youtube's search engine to hopefully find
what you're looking for, and then be
subjected to advertisements before and
during the presentation.

It'll all be sorted out, I'm just thinking
the official video how-to would be a real
asset to many. Maybe not.

73 & stay safe,

Gary
KA1J

> I AM SURE...
> When the first K4 is in the hands of users, that there will be a
> "flurry" of YouTube un-boxing videos. I am sure the how-to videos
> will follow.
>
> 73, steve WB3LGC
>
> On 8/4/20 3:47 AM, turnbull wrote:
> >
> > Gary makes a good suggestion. TenTec use to have a CD which
> > accompanied the Orion 2. This is going to be a pretty complex
> > radio with all its features. "Are we there yet?"Hang in there
> > good ship Elecraft.73 Doug EI2CNPS Now feel for our friends who do
> > not speak English. That is the majority of mankind.Sent from my
> > Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From:
> > Gary Smith <[hidden email]> Date: 04/08/2020 07:05 (GMT+00:00) To:
> > [hidden email] Subject: [Elecraft] K4 training I would
> > really like it if when the K4 is released, there were also released
> > on the same day, training videos showing what to push, what to
> > enter, a how-to set of videos covering different topics of interest.
> > Either a bunch of short ones on a web page, sorted by topic &
> > exactly to the point so they'd be easy to find and could be easily
> > replayed till the idea is understood. That, or a good legend
> > accompanying a long, more encompassing presentation with reference
> > time marks to know where to search for a given demonstration.We all
> > learn differently, I have 11 years of college under my belt, but in
> > my old age I still say I learn best by observing a demonstration
> > than otherwise.But that's just
> > me.73,GaryKA1J______________________________________________________

Doug Turnbull

Re: K4 training

Gary, This would indeed be an asset. Wonder how much effort this would take.73 Doug EI2CNSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------From: Gary Smith <[hidden email]> Date: 05/08/2020 03:07 (GMT+00:00) To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 training Yes, That's the current way of things. What I suggest would be more like an on-line video operator's manual sanctioned by Elecraft, with logical menu to find the how-to, exactly, the function you want being done.I'm not thinking so much where is the Power Switch, but more like how to determine which thought process to use with the K4/K4D/K4HD to best accomplish commonly used procedures, and then how to get that done. Things like the display will be a bugger for awhile & the picture being worth a thousand words concept is magnified with concise video.Do-it-yourselfers on youtube will not get to the point & will be offering opinions which isn't helpful to the direct question. More, you'll have to use youtube's search engine to hopefully find what you're looking for, and then be subjected to advertisements before and during the presentation.It'll all be sorted out, I'm just thinking the official video how-to would be a real asset to many. Maybe not.73 & stay safe,GaryKA1J> I AM SURE...> When the first K4 is in the hands of users, that there will be a> "flurry" of YouTube un-boxing videos. I am sure the how-to videos> will follow.> > 73, steve WB3LGC> > On 8/4/20 3:47 AM, turnbull wrote:> > > > Gary makes a good suggestion. TenTec use to have a CD which> > accompanied the Orion 2. This is going to be a pretty complex> > radio with all its features. "Are we there yet?"Hang in there> > good ship Elecraft.73 Doug EI2CNPS Now feel for our friends who do> > not speak English. That is the majority of mankind.Sent from my> > Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From:> > Gary Smith <[hidden email]> Date: 04/08/2020 07:05 (GMT+00:00) To:> > [hidden email] Subject: [Elecraft] K4 training I would> > really like it if when the K4 is released, there were also released> > on the same day, training videos showing what to push, what to> > enter, a how-to set of videos covering different topics of interest.> > Either a bunch of short ones on a web page, sorted by topic &> > exactly to the point so they'd be easy to find and could be easily> > replayed till the idea is understood. That, or a good legend> > accompanying a long, more encompassing presentation with reference> > time marks to know where to search for a given demonstration.We all> > learn differently, I have 11 years of college under my belt, but in> > my old age I still say I learn best by observing a demonstration> > than otherwise.But that's just> > me.73,GaryKA1J____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:[hidden email] list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htmlMessage delivered to [hidden email]
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RICHARD Martin

Re: K4 training

A how to video would be a very nice feature, but we must remember the cost
of developing such a thing when our friends at Elecraft have to be in
desperate need of cash.

Due to the Government restrictions their cash flow has essentially stopped
because they cannot efficiently manufacture and ship products.

Thru most of my professional life, I have been responsible for the
conception, prototyping, and manufacture of large scientific instruments
($100K to $5M). The cost of the manuals/documentation was typically equal
to the development cost of the product.

Dick KN6AA

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020, 00:23 turnbull <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Gary, This would indeed be an asset. Wonder how much effort this would
> take.73 Doug EI2CNSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
> -------- Original message --------From: Gary Smith <[hidden email]> Date:
> 05/08/2020 03:07 (GMT+00:00) To: [hidden email] Subject: Re:
> [Elecraft] K4 training Yes, That's the current way of things. What I
> suggest would be more like an on-line video operator's manual sanctioned by
> Elecraft, with logical menu to find the how-to, exactly, the function you
> want being done.I'm not thinking so much where is the Power Switch, but
> more like how to determine which thought process to use with the
> K4/K4D/K4HD to best accomplish commonly used procedures, and then how to
> get that done. Things like the display will be a bugger for awhile & the
> picture being worth a thousand words concept is magnified with concise
> video.Do-it-yourselfers on youtube will not get to the point & will be
> offering opinions which isn't helpful to the direct question. More, you'll
> have to use youtube's search engine to hopefully find what you're looking
> for, and then be subjected to advertisements before and during the
> presentation.It'll all be sorted out, I'm just thinking the official video
> how-to would be a real asset to many. Maybe not.73 & stay safe,GaryKA1J> I
> AM SURE...> When the first K4 is in the hands of users, that there will be
> a> "flurry" of YouTube un-boxing videos. I am sure the how-to videos> will
> follow.> > 73, steve WB3LGC> > On 8/4/20 3:47 AM, turnbull wrote:> > > >
> Gary makes a good suggestion. TenTec use to have a CD which> >
> accompanied the Orion 2. This is going to be a pretty complex> > radio
> with all its features. "Are we there yet?"Hang in there> > good ship
> Elecraft.73 Doug EI2CNPS Now feel for our friends who do> > not speak
> English. That is the majority of mankind.Sent from my> > Samsung Galaxy
> smartphone. -------- Original message --------From:> > Gary Smith <
> [hidden email]> Date: 04/08/2020 07:05 (GMT+00:00) To:> >
> [hidden email] Subject: [Elecraft] K4 training I would> >
> really like it if when the K4 is released, there were also released> > on
> the same day, training videos showing what to push, what to> > enter, a
> how-to set of videos covering different topics of interest.> > Either a
> bunch of short ones on a web page, sorted by topic &> > exactly to the
> point so they'd be easy to find and could be easily> > replayed till the
> idea is understood. That, or a good legend> > accompanying a long, more
> encompassing presentation with reference> > time marks to know where to
> search for a given demonstration.We all> > learn differently, I have 11
> years of college under my belt, but in> > my old age I still say I learn
> best by observing a demonstration> > than otherwise.But that's just> >
> me.73,GaryKA1J____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________Elecraft
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Charlie T, K3ICH

Re: K4 training

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What might be an acceptable alternative is to utilize the potential abilities of the some of the owners. Many in this group have been responsible for writing, or at least editing, tech manuals for various pieces of high level equipment. This wouldn't necessarily be to produce a full start-to-finish course in K4 operation, but a collection of user videos with hints & ideas etc. (NOT however, ones showing the opening of the box, resulting in simple "look-at-my-new-toy" videos!).

I would volunteer to put all these on a single DVD, once they were approved by the high-command with the obvious dis-claimer statement.
Of course, I'll need a K4 to ah,,,,, verify the suggested items, eh? Just kidding (maybe?).

73, Charlie k3ICH

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Gary, This would indeed be an asset. Wonder how much effort this would take.73 Doug EI2CNSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

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Grant Youngman-2

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It seems to me that if you need training classes or training videos to effectively use a radio, then that’s a problem — either with the radio’s owner (and I mean no disrespect to anyone) or with the radio.

Elecraft will no doubt release some user tips for certain aspects of operation, just like they did for the K3 and other radios. Many questions can be answered on the list, either by field testers, Elecraft, or others that get their hands on one before you do, like they always have been. It isn’t a bad idea to collect these in a single location on the Elecraft website for reference, maybe organized by topic, provided that user submissions are vetted by Elecraft before they become gospel.

Oh, and none of the computers in my house have DVD drives any longer. My grandkids have no clue what a CD/DVD even is. Which is why I’d suggest a web reference as a more universal option :-)

Grant NQ5T

> On Aug 5, 2020, at 8:11 AM, Charlie T <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> What might be an acceptable alternative is to utilize the potential abilities of the some of the owners. Many in this group have been responsible for writing, or at least editing, tech manuals for various pieces of high level equipment. This wouldn't necessarily be to produce a full start-to-finish course in K4 operation, but a collection of user videos with hints & ideas etc. (NOT however, ones showing the opening of the box, resulting in simple "look-at-my-new-toy" videos!).
>
> I would volunteer to put all these on a single DVD, once they were approved by the high-command with the obvious dis-claimer statement.
> Of course, I'll need a K4 to ah,,,,, verify the suggested items, eh? Just kidding (maybe?).
>
> 73, Charlie k3ICH
>

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On 8/5/2020 10:40 AM, Grant Youngman wrote:
> It seems to me that if you need training classes or training videos to effectively use a radio, then that’s a problem — either with the radio’s owner (and I mean no disrespect to anyone) or with the radio.

I agree, but with this caveat. Each radio mfr has developed their user
interface over decades, and each is different from the other to varying
degrees. In this century, I've owned Ten Tec, Kenwood, ICOM, and Yaesu.
Before that, Hallicrafters, Hammerlund, Heathkit, Drake, and WII surplus
gear.

My first Elecraft rig was a K2, bought used in 2003, and I upgraded to a
K3 in 2008. User interface between those Elecraft radios, and then to
the KX3, has maintained the same logic. In every case, RTFM, combined
with understanding how radios work, has been all I've needed.

73, Jim K9YC
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Grant Youngman-2

Re: K4 training

We agree. But the transition from one essentially modern radio to another, is still mostly a matter of figuring out what each control does, where it is, how to read the display, and where to connect the antenna. The exception I’d make is that if you gave a recently minted ham (or not) a Globe Champion 300 or even a Globe Scout he’d likely be completely mystified, and wonder where the RS-232 interface and keyer speed control was. THAT might take some training videos, or at least an elmer :-)

Grant NQ5T

> On Aug 5, 2020, at 2:22 PM, Jim Brown <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> On 8/5/2020 10:40 AM, Grant Youngman wrote:
>> It seems to me that if you need training classes or training videos to effectively use a radio, then that’s a problem — either with the radio’s owner (and I mean no disrespect to anyone) or with the radio.
>
> I agree, but with this caveat. Each radio mfr has developed their user interface over decades, and each is different from the other to varying degrees. In this century, I've owned Ten Tec, Kenwood, ICOM, and Yaesu. Before that, Hallicrafters, Hammerlund, Heathkit, Drake, and WII surplus gear.
>
> My first Elecraft rig was a K2, bought used in 2003, and I upgraded to a K3 in 2008. User interface between those Elecraft radios, and then to the KX3, has maintained the same logic. In every case, RTFM, combined with understanding how radios work, has been all I've needed.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
> ______________________________________________________________

Jim Brown-10

Re: K4 training

On 8/5/2020 12:39 PM, Grant Youngman wrote:
> We agree. But the transition from one essentially modern radio to another, is still mostly a matter of figuring out what each control does, where it is, how to read the display, and where to connect the antenna. The exception I’d make is that if you gave a recently minted ham (or not) a Globe Champion 300 or even a Globe Scout he’d likely be completely mystified, and wonder where the RS-232 interface and keyer speed control was. THAT might take some training videos, or at least an elmer

Sure, but RTFM has always worked for me. Thanks for the reminder -- I
also had a Globe Scout as a kid. :)

73, Jim K9YC
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K4 training

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I transitioned, with a 40 year gap, from an AR88D and home brew CW/AM transmitter with a TT11 final to an TS-590S. No problem at all reading the manual and getting it working. I even found several firmware defects in the first few months of ownership. I recognize that not everyone has an engineering background and it's harder for some than others. When I was running the local club's extra and general courses I quickly learned the huge range of experience and ability in the amateur radio world. I also wondered how some of the students had passed the technician exam.

I'd far rather have a good searchable pdf manual than a training video. Don't count my vote though as I have no plans to buy a K4.

Andy, k3wyc

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Gordon LaPoint

Re: K4 training

I do have a K4 on order, and I agree with Andy, I'd much rather have a
searchable pdf manual than a video!!!

Thanks Elecraft for the fine radios that I now own, and the coming K4!
Gordon - N1MGO

On 8/5/2020 20:12 PM, Andy Durbin wrote:

> I transitioned, with a 40 year gap, from an AR88D and home brew CW/AM transmitter with a TT11 final to an TS-590S. No problem at all reading the manual and getting it working. I even found several firmware defects in the first few months of ownership. I recognize that not everyone has an engineering background and it's harder for some than others. When I was running the local club's extra and general courses I quickly learned the huge range of experience and ability in the amateur radio world. I also wondered how some of the students had passed the technician exam.
>
> I'd far rather have a good searchable pdf manual than a training video. Don't count my vote though as I have no plans to buy a K4.
>
> Andy, k3wyc
>
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Re: K4 training

I as well have a K4 on deposit and think a "get it working" 5-10 page instruction would be really nice, as well as a searchable complete manual. Guessing youtube videos will come with time just as it did on the K3. Can hardly wait for the K4 - maybe a surprise under the tree.
Thank you Ken WB8PKK

On Thursday, August 6, 2020, 07:12:14 AM EDT, Gordon LaPoint <[hidden email]> wrote:

I do have a K4 on order, and I agree with Andy, I'd much rather have a
searchable pdf manual than a video!!!

Thanks Elecraft for the fine radios that I now own, and the coming K4!
Gordon - N1MGO

On 8/5/2020 20:12 PM, Andy Durbin wrote:

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In reply to this post by Gary Smith-2

Not to mention being completely baffled about why (or even the fact that) a transmitter's PA tube (a what?) plate current should be dipped rather than maxed.

Ted, KN1CBR
(remembering his 1956 DX-20 and 1958 Viking Ranger)

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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2020 15:39:23 -0400
From: Grant Youngman <[hidden email]>

. . . if you gave a recently minted ham (or not) a Globe Champion 300 or even a Globe Scout he?d likely be completely mystified, and wonder where the RS-232 interface and keyer speed control was. THAT might take some training videos, or at least an elmer :-)

Grant NQ5T

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