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The K4 has an eithernet port for remote operations. As I understand it the K4 doesn’t have WIFI .
My internet router is not close to my shack so direct CAT 5/6 wiring is not practical.
I know there are wired to wireless adapters available. 300 Mbps seems the typical speed to the router.

So my question is 300 Mbps sufficient for the K4 to send it’s data to a remote device for full control?

Pete WK8S
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Re: K4 Remote Question

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This is far beyond sufficient :)

Wayne
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> On Sep 9, 2020, at 8:29 AM, Pete Meier via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> The K4 has an eithernet port for remote operations. As I understand it the K4 doesn’t have WIFI .
> My internet router is not close to my shack so direct CAT 5/6 wiring is not practical.
> I know there are wired to wireless adapters available. 300 Mbps seems the typical speed to the router.
>
> So my question is 300 Mbps sufficient for the K4 to send it’s data to a remote device for full control?
>
> Pete WK8S
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300 Mbps is massive overkill. My K3 and computer is on the other end of
the house from the router and wiring is pretty much out of the
question. I use a little WiFi dongle from IO Gear on the RRC-1258, I've
got a couple, I think they came from Amazon. We use TeamViewer for all
the station automation at W7RN, it consumes several times the BW of the
remote radio but still tiny compared to 300 Mbps.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 9/9/2020 8:29 AM, Pete Meier via Elecraft wrote:
> The K4 has an eithernet port for remote operations. As I understand it the K4 doesn’t have WIFI .
> My internet router is not close to my shack so direct CAT 5/6 wiring is not practical.
> I know there are wired to wireless adapters available. 300 Mbps seems the typical speed to the router.
>
> So my question is 300 Mbps sufficient for the K4 to send it’s data to a remote device for full control?
>
> Pete WK8S
>

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Rick Bates, NK7I

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Just be judicious in the use of wifi extenders, they are half duplex and
since they share the same channel of wifi, cause conflicts, which drags
down the entire network. Some can be configured to hear on one band and
transmit on another, which helps, a little.

My answer was to replace the network with a mesh net, then connecting
devices into the nodes directly as needed. That is MUCH more efficient
and the LAN speed shot back up to where it should be.

73,
Rick NK7I

On 9/9/2020 10:18 AM, Fred Jensen wrote:

> 300 Mbps is massive overkill. My K3 and computer is on the other end
> of the house from the router and wiring is pretty much out of the
> question. I use a little WiFi dongle from IO Gear on the RRC-1258,
> I've got a couple, I think they came from Amazon. We use TeamViewer
> for all the station automation at W7RN, it consumes several times the
> BW of the remote radio but still tiny compared to 300 Mbps.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
> On 9/9/2020 8:29 AM, Pete Meier via Elecraft wrote:
>> The K4 has an eithernet port for remote operations. As I understand
>> it the K4 doesn’t have WIFI .
>> My internet router is not close to my shack so direct CAT 5/6 wiring
>> is not practical.
>> I know there are wired to wireless adapters available. 300 Mbps seems
>> the typical speed to the router.
>>
>> So my question is 300 Mbps sufficient for the K4 to send it’s data to
>> a remote device for full control?
>>
>> Pete WK8S
>>
>
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rich hurd WC3T

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Just be careful with mesh networks. Some of them, apocryphally, don't play
nice with modern hotspots. I do not know of my own experience because I
don't have a mesh network but I've seen forums with messages to that
effect. So if you're running your OpenSpot3 (to name the first
recently-announced one I could think of) you might be in trouble switching
to a mesh network.

On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 1:24 PM Rick Bates, NK7I <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Just be judicious in the use of wifi extenders, they are half duplex and
> since they share the same channel of wifi, cause conflicts, which drags
> down the entire network. Some can be configured to hear on one band and
> transmit on another, which helps, a little.
>
> My answer was to replace the network with a mesh net, then connecting
> devices into the nodes directly as needed. That is MUCH more efficient
> and the LAN speed shot back up to where it should be.
>
> 73,
> Rick NK7I
>
>
> On 9/9/2020 10:18 AM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> > 300 Mbps is massive overkill. My K3 and computer is on the other end
> > of the house from the router and wiring is pretty much out of the
> > question. I use a little WiFi dongle from IO Gear on the RRC-1258,
> > I've got a couple, I think they came from Amazon. We use TeamViewer
> > for all the station automation at W7RN, it consumes several times the
> > BW of the remote radio but still tiny compared to 300 Mbps.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> > Sparks NV DM09dn
> > Washoe County
> >
> > On 9/9/2020 8:29 AM, Pete Meier via Elecraft wrote:
> >> The K4 has an eithernet port for remote operations. As I understand
> >> it the K4 doesn’t have WIFI .
> >> My internet router is not close to my shack so direct CAT 5/6 wiring
> >> is not practical.
> >> I know there are wired to wireless adapters available. 300 Mbps seems
> >> the typical speed to the router.
> >>
> >> So my question is 300 Mbps sufficient for the K4 to send it’s data to
> >> a remote device for full control?
> >>
> >> Pete WK8S
> >>
> >
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Hi Rick:
And... perhaps another answer for Wi-Fi "extension" is to use a better antenna. Some routers permit you to add an outboard antenna, which could be a gain antenna, so you would then have a better connection for your LAN. Or, you might situate the routers so they have a better path. All that is in the traditions of ham radio!
73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211

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Just be judicious in the use of wifi extenders, they are half duplex and
since they share the same channel of wifi, cause conflicts, which drags
down the entire network. Some can be configured to hear on one band and
transmit on another, which helps, a little.

My answer was to replace the network with a mesh net, then connecting
devices into the nodes directly as needed. That is MUCH more efficient
and the LAN speed shot back up to where it should be.

73,
Rick NK7I

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Thomas Horsten

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I'd always say use wired ethernet (with shielded cable) in or near the
shack, a WiFi router or access point there is fine for things like your
phone and tablets, but for radios, logging/controlling PC's etc. it's way
too unreliable when you start operating. It's so annoying when your WiFi
router crashes and reboots in the middle of a contest or even just
disconnects intermittently whenever you transmit on a certain band, etc.

If you must use wireless, I'd recommend having a WiFi bridge or access
point as far away from your transmitting equipment, coax etc. as possible
and use cables from there to the rest of the shack.

73, Thomas OZ5TN (aka M0TRN, AF7BE)

On Wed, 9 Sep 2020, 17:31 Pete Meier via Elecraft, <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> The K4 has an eithernet port for remote operations. As I understand it the
> K4 doesn’t have WIFI .
> My internet router is not close to my shack so direct CAT 5/6 wiring is
> not practical.
> I know there are wired to wireless adapters available. 300 Mbps seems the
> typical speed to the router.
>
> So my question is 300 Mbps sufficient for the K4 to send it’s data to a
> remote device for full control?
>
> Pete WK8S
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Rick Bates, NK7I

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I've tried that (with 10 dB sticks on my wifi cameras) and it didn't
really help. That router already had high gain antennas (not the mesh
style, they're apparently only available with internal antennas, sadly).

To 'translate' from a wired only device into wifi, an extender (with
it's own router) can help, but as I've said is not the cure. A pure
wire to wifi dongle may (then the device is just another network user
for the router to figure out).

My OpenSpot (original) is one of the devices wired to a node, the IRLP
computer is another (each node has two ports, one of which can be
connected to a switch too if you need more ports). That way the mesh
just handles the data without extender conflicts.

What shocks me the most is the sheer volume of 'toys' connected at any
given moment, often upwards of 30 and I live alone! Cameras, printers,
computers, bluray, weather station, smart tv... it adds up very quickly.

73,
Rick NK7I

On 9/9/2020 10:39 AM, Raymond Sills via Elecraft wrote:

> Hi Rick:
> And... perhaps another answer for Wi-Fi "extension" is to use a better antenna. Some routers permit you to add an outboard antenna, which could be a gain antenna, so you would then have a better connection for your LAN. Or, you might situate the routers so they have a better path. All that is in the traditions of ham radio!
> 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Bates, NK7I <[hidden email]>
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> Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2020 1:24 pm
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Question
>
> Just be judicious in the use of wifi extenders, they are half duplex and
> since they share the same channel of wifi, cause conflicts, which drags
> down the entire network. Some can be configured to hear on one band and
> transmit on another, which helps, a little.
>
> My answer was to replace the network with a mesh net, then connecting
> devices into the nodes directly as needed. That is MUCH more efficient
> and the LAN speed shot back up to where it should be.
>
> 73,
> Rick NK7I
>
>
>
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