Elecraft

K4 in production

Classic

List

Threaded

39 messages Options

Jim Brown-10

Re: K4 in production

On 7/16/2020 11:05 AM, Carl Yaffey wrote:
> What? We’re not getting interest?

:)

A look at the latest statement from wherever we store our money will
tell us that the current interest rate is quite close to zero percent.

73, Jim K9YC
______________________________________________________________
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:[hidden email]

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Message delivered to [hidden email]

Don Wilhelm

Re: K4 in production

In reply to this post by Rick Bates, NK7I

All,

The parts may have come in pre-covid, BUT
Elecraft boards are populated at board shops in California, and the
metal parts come out of another shop in California.

So while Elecraft may be limping along, they are dependent on a variety
of other California shops which may be shuttered.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/16/2020 2:40 PM, Rick NK7I wrote:

>
> Now consider that many parts do not come from the US, some of the
> sources are from countries we're bickering with (see spelling above,
> subtitle tariff), the parts that ARE here can't be put into boards that
> can't be made because other businesses are less 'essential' (defined in
> no law whatsoever)... all resolves to:
>
> They're doing what they are allowed to do under the conditions they
> face. And doing it well, the Elecraft way. This'll take a while so
> patience is required.
>
> If you truly feel deceived, cancel your order and let the next in line
> move up a slot. I'm sure they be appreciative.
>

Tox

Re: K4 in production

In reply to this post by Jim Brown-10

If you're primarily in interest-bearing accounts rather than other
investments, all too true.

Opportunity cost varies wildly.

Scott

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 1:35 PM Jim Brown <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 7/16/2020 11:05 AM, Carl Yaffey wrote:
> > What? We’re not getting interest?
>
> :)
>
> A look at the latest statement from wherever we store our money will
> tell us that the current interest rate is quite close to zero percent.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
> ______________________________________________________________
> Elecraft mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:[hidden email]
>
> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
> Message delivered to [hidden email]

--
Scott Small
______________________________________________________________
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:[hidden email]

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Message delivered to [hidden email]

Ingo Meyer, DK3RED-2

Re: K4 in production

In reply to this post by Bill Levy

Hey folks, stay calm!

Long long before Corvid-19, for example, the delivery time for simple block capacitors
(100 nF) was 12 weeks or more. I suspect that the Elecraft team will start the
pick-and-place machines as soon as possible when everything arrives. So stay calm!

73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power!
www.qrp4fun.de - [hidden email]
______________________________________________________________
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:[hidden email]

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Message delivered to [hidden email]

john@kk9a.com

Re: K4 in production

In reply to this post by Bill Levy

Things may be different in California but here in North Carolina I do not
know of any manufacture or supplier that closed.

John KK9A - W4AAA

Don Wilhelm wrote:

All,

The parts may have come in pre-covid, BUT
Elecraft boards are populated at board shops in California, and the
metal parts come out of another shop in California.

So while Elecraft may be limping along, they are dependent on a variety
of other California shops which may be shuttered.

73,
Don W3FPR

______________________________________________________________
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:[hidden email]

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Message delivered to [hidden email]

Elecraft mailing list

Re: K4 in production

In reply to this post by Bill Levy

Not waiting on a K4, got my KX2 and perfectly happy. Also, off topic and not intended to besmirch anyone, but being a math geek in a math geeky hobby . . .

“The population density in California is high ... high enough that if everyone stood 1 meter from everyone else, some would be standing in Nevada and some in the Pacific Ocean.”

Check your math. World population is about 8 Billion. Give everyone a Covid distance of two meters, or four square meters per person. That gives us 32 billion square meters to socially distance the world population. California is about 424 billion square meters. Plenty of room for everybody!

Keeping Watch-
shu

Joe Shuman, KE8KJZ
______________________________________________________________
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:[hidden email]

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Message delivered to [hidden email]

Elecraft mailing list

Re: K4 in production

In reply to this post by Bill Levy

Six weeks ago, my 100 years old Grandmother’s dryer broke down. My bride and I went to Lowes to see what we could find that would be simple to operate, and did the same at the local Home Depot. Grandmother is about 1230 miles from us.
One thing we noticed that was common to all the models in both the big box stores was a taped on paper sign reading BACK ORDERED. We had little success trying to get one from either big box website, but did finally get an order placed for delivery a month ago. Grandmother got the new dryer about two weeks ago. Delay after delay.

I think we should realize that a lot of changes have to be made for a company to comply with the guidelines and ensure employee safety: workspace spittle shields, ingress body temperature checks, PPE such as masks and gloves, and the 20 questions that should be asked every Monday regarding what employees did over the weekend. Not only does Elecraft want to ship products and complete repairs in a timely manner, they also want to avoid jeopardizing employee health. We too should want Elecraft to meet these objectives, particularly the latter.

I continue to see the video of some woman ranting about her right to not wear a mask. She is evidently completely clueless about how SARS-CoV-2 spreads. So, you can mock me for wearing a mask, but I hope you won’t have to mourn me because someone else did not wear theirs. Maybe being jailed for involuntary manslaughter would wake up the public who think COVID is a hoax.

Bob R – N7WY

______________________________________________________________
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:[hidden email]

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Message delivered to [hidden email]

Bill K9YEQ

Re: K4 in production

In reply to this post by Ted Roycraft-3

I sent my thoughts directly to Scott, not to the reflector. This one will be out of hand in no time.

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Ted Roycraft
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 1:56 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 in production

If that's the way you feel, why don't you ask for your money back?

Ted, W2ZK

On 7/16/2020 13:55, Tox wrote:

> Given lead times, if the Dec/Jan ship date was not BS, then parts
> would already have already been in transit before primary covid
> impacts were in place. OK, that was missed.
>
> I understand these are not normal times. And I live in Santa Clara
> County, understand current density and watch county #s (and Health
> Orders being ignored by the public).
>
> That they aren't shipping on time now seems most immediately
> attributable to covid, agreed. That this is the case is seems a result
> of either failure to deliver or failure to honestly communicate last year.
>
> We're now reaching the window of the most recent round of delivery
> promises, yet I don't know anyone, including those who fronted cash a
> year ago on a Nov date, who has even gotten final pricing yet.
>
> Hence my frustration. I not only am impatient about getting the Shiny
> (surprise), I feel deceived about how it has been handled by someone
> sitting on thousands of dollars of my cash.
>
> Scott
>
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 10:47 AM Fred Jensen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Say again? The virus began in Asia [Wuhan China to be exact] at the
>> very end of 2019. Many of the parts that Elecraft and every other
>> manufacturer uses are sourced out of Asia. Everyones' supply chains
>> are disrupted now but slowly improving.
>>
>> Elecraft is based in California. The population density in
>> California is high ... high enough that if everyone stood 1 meter
>> from everyone else, some would be standing in Nevada and some in the Pacific Ocean.
>> [:=) From the news that leaks over the Sierra Nevada to Sparks,
>> Elecraft is really working to both resume normal production AND
>> protect their employees and families so they can continue normal production.
>>
>> 73,
>> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>> Sparks NV DM09dn
>> Washoe County
>>
>> On 7/16/2020 10:20 AM, Tox wrote:
>>> The parts availability issue was supposed to have been resolved
>> pre-covid.
>>> Wondering what the facts are.
>>> (not griefing you, just frustrated by Nov,Dec/Jan,Mar/Apr,Jul/Aug
>>> string-along)
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:[hidden email]
>>
>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this
>> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to
>> [hidden email]
>
>

______________________________________________________________
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:[hidden email]

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email]
______________________________________________________________
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:[hidden email]

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Message delivered to [hidden email]

k6dgw

Re: K4 in production

In reply to this post by Elecraft mailing list

Yes, I too have a math degree and the mean population density of
California is ~98/sq km and yes, all the people in CA could stand well
more than 1 m apart and no one would need scuba tanks or find themselves
in Nevada [or Oregon or Arizona or Baja California]. I made it up ...
it was intended as a joke. It's a good thing I ended up supporting my
family with math and engineering degrees since I don't hold a degree in
comedy and apparently I suck at it. [:=)

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/16/2020 3:14 PM, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote:

> Not waiting on a K4, got my KX2 and perfectly happy. Also, off topic and not intended to besmirch anyone, but being a math geek in a math geeky hobby . . .
>
> “The population density in California is high ... high enough that if everyone stood 1 meter from everyone else, some would be standing in Nevada and some in the Pacific Ocean.”
>
> Check your math. World population is about 8 Billion. Give everyone a Covid distance of two meters, or four square meters per person. That gives us 32 billion square meters to socially distance the world population. California is about 424 billion square meters. Plenty of room for everybody!
>
> Keeping Watch-
> shu
>
> Joe Shuman, KE8KJZ
>

Rose

Joke status wasn't wasted on me 😂

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 16:59 Fred Jensen <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Yes, I too have a math degree and the mean population density of
> California is ~98/sq km and yes, all the people in CA could stand well
> more than 1 m apart and no one would need scuba tanks or find themselves
> in Nevada [or Oregon or Arizona or Baja California]. I made it up ...
> it was intended as a joke. It's a good thing I ended up supporting my
> family with math and engineering degrees since I don't hold a degree in
> comedy and apparently I suck at it. [:=)
>
> 73,
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
> On 7/16/2020 3:14 PM, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote:
> > Not waiting on a K4, got my KX2 and perfectly happy. Also, off topic
> and not intended to besmirch anyone, but being a math geek in a math geeky
> hobby . . .
> >
> > “The population density in California is high ... high enough that if
> everyone stood 1 meter from everyone else, some would be standing in Nevada
> and some in the Pacific Ocean.”
> >
> > Check your math. World population is about 8 Billion. Give everyone a
> Covid distance of two meters, or four square meters per person. That gives
> us 32 billion square meters to socially distance the world population.
> California is about 424 billion square meters. Plenty of room for
> everybody!
> >
> > Keeping Watch-
> > shu
> >
> > Joe Shuman, KE8KJZ
> >
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> Elecraft mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:[hidden email]
>
> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
> Message delivered to [hidden email]

Jim Brown-10

Re: K4 in production

In reply to this post by john@kk9a.com

On 7/16/2020 3:07 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
> Things may be different in California but here in North Carolina I do not
> know of any manufacture or supplier that closed.

The impact of COVID has varied widely with geography and how each region
(even a locality) relates to others. It also varies a LOT over time.
Some regions that escaped outbreaks in the early months are getting hit
now.

73, Jim K9YC
______________________________________________________________
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:[hidden email]

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Message delivered to [hidden email]

Jim Brown-10

Re: K4 in production

In reply to this post by Elecraft mailing list

On 7/16/2020 3:14 PM, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote:
> Check your math. World population is about 8 Billion. Give everyone a Covid distance of two meters, or four square meters per person. That gives us 32 billion square meters to socially distance the world population. California is about 424 billion square meters. Plenty of room for everybody!

Check your geography. Not all parts of the world (or of California) are
habitable!

73, Jim K9YC
______________________________________________________________
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:[hidden email]

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Message delivered to [hidden email]

Gary Smith-2

Re: K4 in production

In reply to this post by Tox

I'm always bemused when a completely
unexpected series of profoundly affecting
variables, none of which are from internal
causes, make themselves a factor in
development and construction, appear and
globally interfere with design,
production, and supply. This fluid state
appears while a specific completion date
and time was never assured of, & in
subsequent conversations with advance
purchasers.

As there was never a promised date, there
is a Pandemic where over 100,000 people in
the USA alone have already died,
Manufacturing globally has taken a real
hit, transportation has taken a major
blow. I had a USPS 2 day package shipped
from Michigan on Sat 11 and it is nor the
16th & tracking shows it just left
Michigan on route to CT. It may be here on
Saturday. That'll be a 6 day delivery with
a 2 day promise. That same kind of delay
is happening to the construction of the K4
and any new components are also affected
in this way. There is no other choice and
I want it And I want It Now pressure
doesn't do anything but waste everyone's
time. It has zero rate on accelerating
production and if anything, detracts from
the focus from the principals.

All this takes me back to the bemusement I
get when reading such comments. Do they
really believe in this arena it will move
anything along faster, and if the company
indeed did rush to complete while not
having sufficient components in, on time,
that it would behove the production run in
any way whatsoever?

Good friends, chill, this is an
unprecedented time and Elecraft is moving
along in the best way to give the best
product they can do. We'll have our little
beauties when they're vetted and
competent. Till then, chill, practice some
CW Check the antenna connections stop
thinking of it should have been here by
now, because it was never promised to be
here by now. Things are moving forward
nicely.

And yes, I dropped the full deposit for a
K4D and am aware I'll have to wait for the
HD module to be created. I'm, metal
detecting, digitizing my stereo collection
and enjoying the Yamaha on nice days.
Elecraft is doing their job, and I'm doing
mine.

73,

Gary
KA1J

> Given lead times, if the Dec/Jan ship date was not BS, then parts
> would already have already been in transit before primary covid
> impacts were in place. OK, that was missed.
>
> I understand these are not normal times. And I live in Santa Clara
> County, understand current density and watch county #s (and Health
> Orders being ignored by the public).
>
> That they aren't shipping on time now seems most immediately
> attributable to covid, agreed. That this is the case is seems a result
> of either failure to deliver or failure to honestly communicate last
> year.
>
> We're now reaching the window of the most recent round of delivery
> promises, yet I don't know anyone, including those who fronted cash a
> year ago on a Nov date, who has even gotten final pricing yet.
>
> Hence my frustration. I not only am impatient about getting the Shiny
> (surprise), I feel deceived about how it has been handled by someone
> sitting on thousands of dollars of my cash.
>
> Scott
>
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 10:47 AM Fred Jensen <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > Say again? The virus began in Asia [Wuhan China to be exact] at the
> > very end of 2019. Many of the parts that Elecraft and every other
> > manufacturer uses are sourced out of Asia. Everyones' supply chains
> > are disrupted now but slowly improving.
> >
> > Elecraft is based in California. The population density in
> > California is high ... high enough that if everyone stood 1 meter
> > from everyone else, some would be standing in Nevada and some in the
> > Pacific Ocean. [:=) From the news that leaks over the Sierra Nevada
> > to Sparks, Elecraft is really working to both resume normal
> > production AND protect their employees and families so they can
> > continue normal production.
> >
> > 73,
> > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> > Sparks NV DM09dn
> > Washoe County
> >
> > On 7/16/2020 10:20 AM, Tox wrote:
> > > The parts availability issue was supposed to have been resolved
> > pre-covid.
> > > Wondering what the facts are.
> > > (not griefing you, just frustrated by Nov,Dec/Jan,Mar/Apr,Jul/Aug
> > > string-along)
> > >
> > > Scott
> > >
> >
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Elecraft mailing list
> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> > Post: mailto:[hidden email]
> >
> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
> > Message delivered to [hidden email]
>
>
>
> --
> Scott Small
> ______________________________________________________________
> Elecraft mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:[hidden email]
>
> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
> Message delivered to [hidden email]
>

Jim Brown-10

Re: K4 in production

Great post, Gary.

73, Jim K9YC

On 7/16/2020 8:36 PM, Gary Smith wrote:

> I'm always bemused when a completely
> unexpected series of profoundly affecting
> variables, none of which are from internal
> causes, make themselves a factor in
> development and construction, appear and
> globally interfere with design,
> production, and supply. This fluid state
> appears while a specific completion date
> and time was never assured of, & in
> subsequent conversations with advance
> purchasers.

Rich NE1EE

Re: K4 in production

In reply to this post by Jim Brown-10

I'm sure that it varies by location and industry. I have spoken to several businesses who report they are behind due to supply chain interruptions and delays.

I see that I need to change my habits for this mailer...I have a habit of hitting reply, and twice now I have sent private messages when I meant to reply to the group...

~R~
72/73 de Rich NE1EE
On the banks of the Piscataqua

On 2020-07-16 20:01:-0700, Jim Brown wrote:
>On 7/16/2020 3:14 PM, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote:
>>Check your math. World population is about 8 Billion. Give everyone a Covid distance of two meters, or four square meters per person. That gives us 32 billion square meters to socially distance the world population. California is about 424 billion square meters. Plenty of room for everybody!
>
>Check your geography. Not all parts of the world (or of California) are habitable!
>
>73, Jim K9YC

______________________________________________________________
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:[hidden email]

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Message delivered to [hidden email]

JP Douglas

Re: Joke status wasn't wasted on me 😂

In reply to this post by Rose

What does this have to do with Elecraft???

Please do not waste my time!

Thanks!

Jose Douglas KB1TCD

On 7/16/2020 7:12 PM, Rose wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 16:59 Fred Jensen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Yes, I too have a math degree and the mean population density of
>> California is ~98/sq km and yes, all the people in CA could stand well
>> more than 1 m apart and no one would need scuba tanks or find themselves
>> in Nevada [or Oregon or Arizona or Baja California]. I made it up ...
>> it was intended as a joke. It's a good thing I ended up supporting my
>> family with math and engineering degrees since I don't hold a degree in
>> comedy and apparently I suck at it. [:=)
>>
>> 73,
>> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>> Sparks NV DM09dn
>> Washoe County
>>
>> On 7/16/2020 3:14 PM, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote:
>>> Not waiting on a K4, got my KX2 and perfectly happy. Also, off topic
>> and not intended to besmirch anyone, but being a math geek in a math geeky
>> hobby . . .
>>> “The population density in California is high ... high enough that if
>> everyone stood 1 meter from everyone else, some would be standing in Nevada
>> and some in the Pacific Ocean.”
>>> Check your math. World population is about 8 Billion. Give everyone a
>> Covid distance of two meters, or four square meters per person. That gives
>> us 32 billion square meters to socially distance the world population.
>> California is about 424 billion square meters. Plenty of room for
>> everybody!
>>> Keeping Watch-
>>> shu
>>>
>>> Joe Shuman, KE8KJZ
>>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:[hidden email]
>>
>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>> Message delivered to [hidden email]
> ______________________________________________________________
> Elecraft mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:[hidden email]
>
> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
> Message delivered to [hidden email]

marvwheeler

Re: Joke status wasn't wasted on me 😂

Geez! Where's the courtesy?

Marv
KG7V

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of JP Douglas
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 10:09 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Joke status wasn't wasted on me 😂

What does this have to do with Elecraft???

Please do not waste my time!

Thanks!

Jose Douglas KB1TCD

On 7/16/2020 7:12 PM, Rose wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 16:59 Fred Jensen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Yes, I too have a math degree and the mean population density of
>> California is ~98/sq km and yes, all the people in CA could stand
>> well more than 1 m apart and no one would need scuba tanks or find
>> themselves in Nevada [or Oregon or Arizona or Baja California]. I made it up ...
>> it was intended as a joke. It's a good thing I ended up supporting
>> my family with math and engineering degrees since I don't hold a
>> degree in comedy and apparently I suck at it. [:=)
>>
>> 73,
>> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>> Sparks NV DM09dn
>> Washoe County
>>
>> On 7/16/2020 3:14 PM, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote:
>>> Not waiting on a K4, got my KX2 and perfectly happy. Also, off
>>> topic
>> and not intended to besmirch anyone, but being a math geek in a math
>> geeky hobby . . .
>>> “The population density in California is high ... high enough that
>>> if
>> everyone stood 1 meter from everyone else, some would be standing in
>> Nevada and some in the Pacific Ocean.”
>>> Check your math. World population is about 8 Billion. Give
>>> everyone a
>> Covid distance of two meters, or four square meters per person. That
>> gives us 32 billion square meters to socially distance the world population.
>> California is about 424 billion square meters. Plenty of room for
>> everybody!
>>> Keeping Watch-
>>> shu
>>>
>>> Joe Shuman, KE8KJZ
>>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:[hidden email]
>>
>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this
>> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to
>> [hidden email]
> ______________________________________________________________
> Elecraft mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:[hidden email]
>
> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email
> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to
> [hidden email]

______________________________________________________________
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:[hidden email]

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email]

______________________________________________________________
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:[hidden email]

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Message delivered to [hidden email]

Dave New, N8SBE

Re: K4 in production

In reply to this post by Bill Levy

Thanks, Rich. "All industries are equal, but some are more equal than
others."

I'm amazed at the folks that seem to think that ham radio equipment is
even on the radar of anybody's 'essential' industry.

What's even weirder, is that if you ask anyone to make up a list of
'essential' industries, it would look like no one else's list, ever.

It seems that the industries that have the deepest pockets and the most
to lose (all at the same time, it seems) are the only ones getting
parts. All the small players are going begging.

The major automotive OEMs (billions of dollars/yr in sales) have been
back in production now for several weeks. Consider that the average
vehicle these days has over 30K parts, and then try to figure out why
small businesses like Elecraft can't get the parts they need to go back
into production.

It's not that the parts aren't available, it's that the parts went
SOMEWHERE ELSE.

Even the automotive OEM's have occasionally had to take a back seat to
other manufacturers when it comes to electronics, especially the
computer and cell phone guys. In the race to source microprocessor
parts, there is a definite pecking order, based on volume and pricing
and demand. If you sell a billion cell phones a year, guess who gets
first pick?

Sorry to bust everyone's bubble, but ham radio is really not that
important, in the great industry wheel of things.

73,

-- Dave, N8SBE
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 in production
From: Rich NE1EE <[hidden email]>
Date: Fri, July 17, 2020 8:04 am
To: [hidden email]

I'm sure that it varies by location and industry. I have spoken to
several businesses who report they are behind due to supply chain
interruptions and delays.

I see that I need to change my habits for this mailer...I have a habit
of hitting reply, and twice now I have sent private messages when I
meant to reply to the group...

~R~
72/73 de Rich NE1EE
On the banks of the Piscataqua
______________________________________________________________
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:[hidden email]

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Message delivered to [hidden email]

Elecraft mailing list

Re: K4 in production

In reply to this post by Jim Brown-10

I would like to comment a little about the shipment of parts. Our company is
a USA company making discrete semiconductors. We are considered essential.
So, we have been open throughout this pandemic.
We have a packaging and test facility in the Philippines for some of our
parts. Many component manufactures use Southeast Asia for packaging and
testing. It is not just the Covid-19 that has had an immense effect on
getting parts out of that region, but also the earthquakes, especially the
one on 2/16. We have not seen any parts out of that region since the
earthquake. In June Luzon opened up again. But you just don't start shipping
parts right away. You first got to perform maintenance on the equipment, run
quals and make a preproduction run. Even though our plant turned on in June,
we don't expect any parts till the end of August, at the earliest.
And don't forget about shipping. Even your Amazon Prime shipments may take
longer these days. And that is especially apparent when importing parts.
Things don't clear customs as quickly as they used to.
So, even essential businesses are having trouble getting parts.
We are all affected in some way with Covid-19.
72,
N2TK, Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> On
Behalf Of Jim Brown
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 4:18 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 in production

On 7/16/2020 10:20 AM, Tox wrote:
> The parts availability issue was supposed to have been resolved pre-covid.

To varying degrees, the whole world is affected by COVID, including
manufacturers and distributors of parts. Few are designated as essential.

73, Jim K9YC
______________________________________________________________
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:[hidden email]

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message
delivered to [hidden email]

______________________________________________________________
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:[hidden email]

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Message delivered to [hidden email]