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K4 shipping info

Joseph Trombino, Jr
Howdy Gang.

Any news about K4 shipping?

Last I saw the K4 was gonna start shipping at the end of August.

Take and stay healthy.

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Re: K4 shipping info

Nr4c
Not the END yet!

But close.

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> On Aug 26, 2020, at 1:53 PM, Joseph Trombino, Jr <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Howdy Gang.
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> Any news about K4 shipping?
>
> Last I saw the K4 was gonna start shipping at the end of August.
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Re: K4 shipping info

Don Wilhelm
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Joe,

That was the goal, but consider that the fires may have impacted the
schedule.
Shipping one on the last day of the month meets the qualification.
Be patient until Eric updates us.

Stay safe, and if you are in the Western states, stay away from the fires.

73,
Don W3FPR

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> Howdy Gang.
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> Any news about K4 shipping?
>
> Last I saw the K4 was gonna start shipping at the end of August.
>
> Take and stay healthy.
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Re: K4 shipping info

Ted Roycraft-3
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When they do start shipping it would be very interesting if they publicize
the date that the shipped orders were placed.

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> Not the END yet!
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> But close.
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> ...nr4c. bill
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> > On Aug 26, 2020, at 1:53 PM, Joseph Trombino, Jr <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
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> > Howdy Gang.
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> > Any news about K4 shipping?
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> > Last I saw the K4 was gonna start shipping at the end of August.
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> > Take and stay healthy.
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Re: K4 shipping info

Nr4c
More likely this information will come from us as we announce the various stages of the delivery progress to the group on one of the reflectors, probably the K4 group so as not to tie up this one with a lot of traffic not of interest to the mass membership.

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> On Aug 26, 2020, at 8:12 PM, Ted Roycraft <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> When they do start shipping it would be very interesting if they publicize the date that the shipped orders were placed.
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>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 7:19 PM Nr4c <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Not the END yet!
>>
>>
>>
>> But close.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> ...nr4c. bill
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Aug 26, 2020, at 1:53 PM, Joseph Trombino, Jr <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Howdy Gang.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Any news about K4 shipping?
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Last I saw the K4 was gonna start shipping at the end of August.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Take and stay healthy.
>>
>> >
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Re: K4 shipping info

David F. Reed-2
What is this K4 group you refer to? Those of us who have ordered? A different email list? Inquiring minds would like to know…

73 de W5SV - David F. Reed

> On Aug 26, 2020, at 21:34, Nr4c <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> More likely this information will come from us as we announce the various stages of the delivery progress to the group on one of the reflectors, probably the K4 group so as not to tie up this one with a lot of traffic not of interest to the mass membership.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: K4 shipping info

Paul Van Dyke
David, I'm just going to hazard a guess. I believe is those of us that are
in the 1st wave of the K4 orders.

Paul  KB9AVO

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> What is this K4 group you refer to? Those of us who have ordered? A
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> > On Aug 26, 2020, at 21:34, Nr4c <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> > More likely this information will come from us as we announce the
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Re: K4 shipping info

Grant Youngman-2
There’s a K4 group on groups.io. There’s nothing specific to those in shipping group 1.

Grant NQ5T

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> On Aug 26, 2020, at 11:29 PM, Paul Van Dyke <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> David, I'm just going to hazard a guess. I believe is those of us that are
> in the 1st wave of the K4 orders.
>
> Paul  KB9AVO
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>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020, 11:18 PM David F. Reed <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> What is this K4 group you refer to? Those of us who have ordered? A
>> different email list? Inquiring minds would like to know…
>>
>> 73 de W5SV - David F. Reed
>>
>>>> On Aug 26, 2020, at 21:34, Nr4c <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> More likely this information will come from us as we announce the
>> various stages of the delivery progress to the group on one of the
>> reflectors, probably the K4 group so as not to tie up this one with a lot
>> of traffic not of interest to the mass membership.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: K4 shipping info

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I did a quick search and found “[hidden email]


> On Aug 26, 2020, at 8:37 PM, Grant Youngman <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> There’s a K4 group on groups.io. There’s nothing specific to those in shipping group 1.
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> Grant NQ5T
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>> On Aug 26, 2020, at 11:29 PM, Paul Van Dyke <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> David, I'm just going to hazard a guess. I believe is those of us that are
>> in the 1st wave of the K4 orders.
>>
>> Paul  KB9AVO
>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020, 11:18 PM David F. Reed <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> What is this K4 group you refer to? Those of us who have ordered? A
>>> different email list? Inquiring minds would like to know…
>>>
>>> 73 de W5SV - David F. Reed
>>>
>>>>> On Aug 26, 2020, at 21:34, Nr4c <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> More likely this information will come from us as we announce the
>>> various stages of the delivery progress to the group on one of the
>>> reflectors, probably the K4 group so as not to tie up this one with a lot
>>> of traffic not of interest to the mass membership.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: K4 shipping info

Grant Youngman-2
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PS.  Frankly, there’s no real reason for yet another group dedicated to one radio.  Many (most?)  of the posts to that group are replicated here.  And will have a wider audience of interested people here.

Too many groups, too little time to read them all ….

Grant NQ5T

> On Aug 26, 2020, at 11:37 PM, Grant Youngman <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> There’s a K4 group on groups.io. There’s nothing specific to those in shipping group 1.
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Re: K4 shipping info

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Thanks guys!

73 de W5SV - David F. Reed

> On Aug 26, 2020, at 22:43, Michael Gillen via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> I did a quick search and found “[hidden email]

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Re: K4 shipping info

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Yes. The Elecraft-K4 on Groups.io.  

And I would like to see posts of when you got notice of shipping, order date, delivery, and serial number. I think this could really clog up the regulars Ecraft reflector so suggested using the groups.io list.  

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> On Aug 26, 2020, at 11:16 PM, David F. Reed <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> What is this K4 group you refer to? Those of us who have ordered? A different email list? Inquiring minds would like to know…
>
> 73 de W5SV - David F. Reed
>
>> On Aug 26, 2020, at 21:34, Nr4c <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> More likely this information will come from us as we announce the various stages of the delivery progress to the group on one of the reflectors, probably the K4 group so as not to tie up this one with a lot of traffic not of interest to the mass membership.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> ...nr4c. bill
>>
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Re: K4 shipping info

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Grant to respond to your reference to not needing another group that is true in some respect except the K4 group was probably setup for field testers and Elecraft communications only. Being a field tester for the K2 there was a lot of post to help improve the product before it was sold to the masses. We were the ones that tried to uncover the PC board problems and other such things that were initially found. Plus when you design a product you need someone else to evaluate it and use it in ways that don’t follow the design operational flow diagram you intended.
Opening it up to all that are interested would clutter it with way too much unproductive chatter. Case in point is the number of posts generated when ever the K4 is mentioned.


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Re: K4 shipping info

Nr4c
I don’t think the groups.io group here was setup by Elecraft for FTs  
I think it was setup by users like you and me especially to discuss K4 stuff.

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> On Aug 27, 2020, at 7:08 PM, Skip Davis via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Grant to respond to your reference to not needing another group that is true in some respect except the K4 group was probably setup for field testers and Elecraft communications only. Being a field tester for the K2 there was a lot of post to help improve the product before it was sold to the masses. We were the ones that tried to uncover the PC board problems and other such things that were initially found. Plus when you design a product you need someone else to evaluate it and use it in ways that don’t follow the design operational flow diagram you intended.
> Opening it up to all that are interested would clutter it with way too much unproductive chatter. Case in point is the number of posts generated when ever the K4 is mentioned.
>
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Re: K4 shipping info

Alan - G4GNX
I tried to send this yesterday, but it went astray. :-(

Straight from the horse's mouth, so that there will be no rumors or
doubt:

I have the K3S-line and am interested in the K4. I do not have an order
placed yet. I'm waiting until the kit availability is announced.

Someone on another group suggested that there should be a group setup
specifically for the K4.

I responded by doing just that. It is a group for enthusiasts by
enthusiasts. No more, no less. I'm not looking for praise. It is what it
is. ;-)

I would ask new subscribers to be patient. As with most groups, your 1st
message has to be approved, before you become unmoderated. There is a
time difference of 5 - 8 hours between the USA and UK, so if you send
your first  message whilst I'm asleep, it may be delayed. It's not
personal. :-)

The group has sporadic use, depending on information and questions on a
daily basis. When a small announcement is made, there's usually a flurry
of activity, which tails off until someone thinks of something else they
want to discuss, or there's another announcement. Eric and Wayne monitor
the group when they have time and they answer questions when they have
answers. I think other Elecraft staff also keep a weather eye on it.

I didn't setup the K4 group to take over from any Elecraft group, it's
just to separate out K4 traffic from any other Elecraft product, in
response to a request from other prospective users.

73,

Alan. G4GNX

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>Sent: 28/08/2020 00:37:22
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 shipping info
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>>I don’t think the groups.io group here was setup by Elecraft for FTs
>>I think it was setup by users like you and me especially to discuss K4 stuff.
>>
>>Sent from my iPhone
>>...nr4c. bill
>>
>>
>>>  On Aug 27, 2020, at 7:08 PM, Skip Davis via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Grant to respond to your reference to not needing another group that is true in some respect except the K4 group was probably setup for field testers and Elecraft communications only. Being a field tester for the K2 there was a lot of post to help improve the product before it was sold to the masses. We were the ones that tried to uncover the PC board problems and other such things that were initially found. Plus when you design a product you need someone else to evaluate it and use it in ways that don’t follow the design operational flow diagram you intended.
>>>  Opening it up to all that are interested would clutter it with way too much unproductive chatter. Case in point is the number of posts generated when ever the K4 is mentioned.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Skip Davis, NC9O
>>>  Sent from my iPad
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Re: K4 shipping info

Doug Turnbull

Alan and friends please forgive me but I am a member of enough groups for different subjects.    I will stick to the Elecraft site and assume perhaps wrongly that Eric, Wayne and the gang will still support it.    I do have a K4 on order and am commited.    There probably have been other forums for individual Elecraft products but I never visited them.    Everyone is entitled to make their own choices but for me this is the site for all K4 info.    I ask forgiveness for this stance.   It is just the gasp of an old geezer.   It is not my intent to offend but it seems better to say something now.Peace and 73 Doug EI2CNSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------From: Alan - G4GNX <[hidden email]> Date: 28/08/2020  11:34  (GMT+00:00) To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 shipping info I tried to send this yesterday, but it went astray. :-(Straight from the horse's mouth, so that there will be no rumors or doubt:I have the K3S-line and am interested in the K4. I do not have an order placed yet. I'm waiting until the kit availability is announced.Someone on another group suggested that there should be a group setup specifically for the K4.I responded by doing just that. It is a group for enthusiasts by enthusiasts. No more, no less. I'm not looking for praise. It is what it is. ;-)I would ask new subscribers to be patient. As with most groups, your 1st message has to be approved, before you become unmoderated. There is a time difference of 5 - 8 hours between the USA and UK, so if you send your first  message whilst I'm asleep, it may be delayed. It's not personal. :-)The group has sporadic use, depending on information and questions on a daily basis. When a small announcement is made, there's usually a flurry of activity, which tails off until someone thinks of something else they want to discuss, or there's another announcement. Eric and Wayne monitor the group when they have time and they answer questions when they have answers. I think other Elecraft staff also keep a weather eye on it.I didn't setup the K4 group to take over from any Elecraft group, it's just to separate out K4 traffic from any other Elecraft product, in response to a request from other prospective users.73,Alan. G4GNX>>------ Original Message ------>From: "Nr4c" <[hidden email]>>To: "Skip Davis" <[hidden email]>>Cc: [hidden email]>Sent: 28/08/2020 00:37:22>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 shipping info>>>I don’t think the groups.io group here was setup by Elecraft for FTs>>I think it was setup by users like you and me especially to discuss K4 stuff.>>>>Sent from my iPhone>>...nr4c. bill>>>>>>>  On Aug 27, 2020, at 7:08 PM, Skip Davis via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:>>>>>>  Grant to respond to your reference to not needing another group that is true in some respect except the K4 group was probably setup for field testers and Elecraft communications only. Being a field tester for the K2 there was a lot of post to help improve the product before it was sold to the masses. We were the ones that tried to uncover the PC board problems and other such things that were initially found. Plus when you design a product you need someone else to evaluate it and use it in ways that don’t follow the design operational flow diagram you intended.>>>  Opening it up to all that are interested would clutter it with way too much unproductive chatter. Case in point is the number of posts generated when ever the K4 is mentioned.>>>>>>>>>  Skip Davis, NC9O>>>  Sent from my iPad>>>>>>______________________________________________________________Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:[hidden email] list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htmlMessage delivered to [hidden email]
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Re: Other groups [was: K4 shipping info]

Alan - G4GNX
Hi Doug.

No forgiveness is required, no offense taken. Each to their own. :-)

What II will say about groups in general is that by anyone not
subscribing to a group which caters for a subject they're interested in,
may miss out in snippets of information that they'd like to have had.

Groups are usually free to join, so there's no money downside from that
point of view. The major downside of multiple groups is the possible
amount of traffic. I cope with this by using an initial text-only email
client, where I see the subject line and sender's address. I can also
read some of the body text if I wish. Anything not of interest is marked
for deletion and is removed when the email client 'hands over' to the
main email client. It's quick and easy, but maybe not for everyone, but
by doing it that way, I can belong to several similar groups, not miss
anything and cope with traffic that doesn't concern me.

Being a member of several groups allows me to compartmentalise my
interest in multiple products from the same source.

Not trying to 'push' an agenda. Just my personal point of view.

73,

Alan. G4GNX


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<[hidden email]>
Sent: 28/08/2020 12:21:05
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 shipping info

>Alan and friends please forgive me but I am a member of enough groups
>for different subjects.    I will stick to the Elecraft site and assume
>perhaps wrongly that Eric, Wayne and the gang will still support it.    
>I do have a K4 on order and am committed.    There probably have been
>other forums for individual Elecraft products but I never visited them.
>    Everyone is entitled to make their own choices but for me this is
>the site for all K4 info.
>
>I ask forgiveness for this stance.   It is just the gasp of an old
>geezer.   It is not my intent to offend but it seems better to say
>something now.
>
>Peace and 73 Doug EI2CN
>
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Re: Other groups [was: K4 shipping info]

Rich NE1EE
On 2020-08-28 12:24:+0000, Alan - G4GNX wrote:
>I cope with this by using an initial text-only email client, where I see the subject line and sender's address.

I use a text-only email client 99% of the time...the problem is...just as with this email...threads are hijacked all the time, so I can't usually look at the subject and sender and know that I want to read the email or not. I have been guilty of this myself...just as in this case...where I respond in the moment, and (except for now) don't realize that I am off thread.

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Re: Other groups [was: K4 shipping info]

Doug Turnbull
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Alan, I suppose as I own or have owned a majority of the Elecraft products; they are all of interest for me.    The involvement of Elecraft engineers and technicians has always been a big plus for me.    Hope your venture goes well.   Enjoy your radio. I appreciate your balance.73 Doug EI2CNSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------From: Alan - G4GNX <[hidden email]> Date: 28/08/2020  13:25  (GMT+00:00) To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Other groups [was: K4 shipping info] Hi Doug.No forgiveness is required, no offense taken. Each to their own. :-)What II will say about groups in general is that by anyone not subscribing to a group which caters for a subject they're interested in, may miss out in snippets of information that they'd like to have had.Groups are usually free to join, so there's no money downside from that point of view. The major downside of multiple groups is the possible amount of traffic. I cope with this by using an initial text-only email client, where I see the subject line and sender's address. I can also read some of the body text if I wish. Anything not of interest is marked for deletion and is removed when the email client 'hands over' to the main email client. It's quick and easy, but maybe not for everyone, but by doing it that way, I can belong to several similar groups, not miss anything and cope with traffic that doesn't concern me.Being a member of several groups allows me to compartmentalise my interest in multiple products from the same source.Not trying to 'push' an agenda. Just my personal point of view.73,Alan. G4GNX------ Original Message ------From: "turnbull" <[hidden email]>To: "Alan - G4GNX" <[hidden email]>; "Elecraft Reflector" <[hidden email]>Sent: 28/08/2020 12:21:05Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 shipping info>Alan and friends please forgive me but I am a member of enough groups >for different subjects.    I will stick to the Elecraft site and assume >perhaps wrongly that Eric, Wayne and the gang will still support it.    >I do have a K4 on order and am committed.    There probably have been >other forums for individual Elecraft products but I never visited them. >    Everyone is entitled to make their own choices but for me this is >the site for all K4 info.>>I ask forgiveness for this stance.   It is just the gasp of an old >geezer.   It is not my intent to offend but it seems better to say >something now.>>Peace and 73 Doug EI2CN>______________________________________________________________Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:[hidden email] list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htmlMessage delivered to [hidden email]
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Re: Other groups [was: K4 shipping info]

Alan - G4GNX
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Hehehehe.

Fooled you Rich.

I already changed the subject line. :-D

However, I do agree. Many people are lazy and occasionally some forget,
but once the thread drifts off-topic, I really wish they would change
the subject line.

73,

Alan. G4GNX


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>On 2020-08-28 12:24:+0000, Alan - G4GNX wrote:
>>I cope with this by using an initial text-only email client, where I see the subject line and sender's address.
>
>I use a text-only email client 99% of the time...the problem is...just as with this email...threads are hijacked all the time, so I can't usually look at the subject and sender and know that I want to read the email or not. I have been guilty of this myself...just as in this case...where I respond in the moment, and (except for now) don't realize that I am off thread.
>
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