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TJ Campie

K4?

Can we get one of these?

http://imgur.com/2lnecGL

73, W0EA
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Rick WA6NHC

Re: K4?

Why? I like it as it is now. Buy/use/take whatever portion(s) as you
see fit. You'd make the rig far more complex, harder to use, too many
menu options and harder to see since everything would have to be reduced.

I vote no.

Rick wa6nhc

On 4/24/2014 1:07 PM, TJ Campie wrote:
> Can we get one of these?
>
> http://imgur.com/2lnecGL
>
>
> 73, W0EA
> TJ
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Brian

Re: K4?

Me too.

2E0BWQ.

Sent from my iPad

> On 24 Apr 2014, at 21:18, Rick WA6NHC <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Why? I like it as it is now. Buy/use/take whatever portion(s) as you see fit. You'd make the rig far more complex, harder to use, too many menu options and harder to see since everything would have to be reduced.
>
> I vote no.
>
> Rick wa6nhc
>
>> On 4/24/2014 1:07 PM, TJ Campie wrote:
>> Can we get one of these?
>>
>> http://imgur.com/2lnecGL
>>
>>
>> 73, W0EA
>> TJ
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Scott Manthe-2

Re: K4?

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Good God, that is almost as ugly as a Ten Tec Orion! I know that a rig's
appearance is largely a matter of taste, the Orion is one rig I'm sure
hoping the designers at Elecraft won't be taking any design cues from.
In my opinion, sub VFO knobs should be smaller than main VFO knobs, and
if there is no band stacking and no additional front panel functionality
in the way of access to the rig's functions, aside from the built-in P3,
I don't see much benefit in that redesign, especially since it makes the
rig uglier. ;)

73,
Scott, N9AA

On 4/24/14 4:07 PM, TJ Campie wrote:

> Can we get one of these?
>
> http://imgur.com/2lnecGL
>
>
> 73, W0EA
> TJ
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Gary Gregory-2

Re: K4?

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I see NO correlation between Amateur Radio "On Air" and Faceplant, text
messaging or any other "social media" so I can't see any circumstances that
would prompt me to spend money on an "eye candy" box such as this.

Completing the P3 should be a higher priority I would hope as it is still a
work in progress after years of being on sale and not much has changed
since production commenced. It still only does half the job.

Gary

On 25 April 2014 06:23, Brian North <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Me too.
>
> 2E0BWQ.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On 24 Apr 2014, at 21:18, Rick WA6NHC <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Why? I like it as it is now. Buy/use/take whatever portion(s) as you
> see fit. You'd make the rig far more complex, harder to use, too many menu
> options and harder to see since everything would have to be reduced.
> >
> > I vote no.
> >
> > Rick wa6nhc
> >
> >> On 4/24/2014 1:07 PM, TJ Campie wrote:
> >> Can we get one of these?
> >>
> >> http://imgur.com/2lnecGL
> >>
> >>
> >> 73, W0EA
> >> TJ
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Scott Manthe-2

Re: K4?

There are no social media functions included in the proposed design, so
what's your point? If you're implying that product design is not
important to radio amateurs, you're sorely mistaken. A prime example is
Icom, which has sold thousands of the IC-7800, IC-7600 and IC-756Pro
series rigs primarily because they look cool. Yaesu also spends a great
deal of effort on "eye candy." But those efforts have nothing to do with
social media, so it's hard to see what you're getting at with the
attempted social media correlation.

73,
Scott, N9AA

On 4/24/14 4:31 PM, Gary Gregory wrote:

> I see NO correlation between Amateur Radio "On Air" and Faceplant, text
> messaging or any other "social media" so I can't see any circumstances that
> would prompt me to spend money on an "eye candy" box such as this.
>
> Completing the P3 should be a higher priority I would hope as it is still a
> work in progress after years of being on sale and not much has changed
> since production commenced. It still only does half the job.
>
> Gary
>
>
>

Gary Gregory-2

Re: K4?

Scott,

Simple answer is I don't use Faceplant or other social media so for me (and
this was all I was implying) it would be off my list of transceivers I
might want to purchase.

I know lots of folks love social media and that is good for them, I don't
and that may well put me in a tiny minority, so be it...:-)

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder they say and I love my K3 but i know
there are folks that do not agree with me but that too is OK.

But every now and then somebody comes up with an idea and at the very least
it stimulates (or at least I hope it does) the fertile minds at
Elecraft..:-)

73

Gary

On 25 April 2014 06:43, Scott Manthe <[hidden email]> wrote:

> There are no social media functions included in the proposed design, so
> what's your point? If you're implying that product design is not important
> to radio amateurs, you're sorely mistaken. A prime example is Icom, which
> has sold thousands of the IC-7800, IC-7600 and IC-756Pro series rigs
> primarily because they look cool. Yaesu also spends a great deal of effort
> on "eye candy." But those efforts have nothing to do with social media, so
> it's hard to see what you're getting at with the attempted social media
> correlation.
>
> 73,
> Scott, N9AA
>
>
>
> On 4/24/14 4:31 PM, Gary Gregory wrote:
>
>> I see NO correlation between Amateur Radio "On Air" and Faceplant, text
>> messaging or any other "social media" so I can't see any circumstances
>> that
>> would prompt me to spend money on an "eye candy" box such as this.
>>
>> Completing the P3 should be a higher priority I would hope as it is still
>> a
>> work in progress after years of being on sale and not much has changed
>> since production commenced. It still only does half the job.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
>>
>>
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wayne burdick

Re: K4?

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In case anyone was wondering, this drawing is a product of someone's imagination (and, just guessing, Photoshop). It did not originate from Elecraft.

My two cents, FWIW: it adds up to somewhat less than the sum of its parts ;)

Wayne
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Gary Gregory-2

Re: K4?

Wayne,

No argument from me...:-)

Gary

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> In case anyone was wondering, this drawing is a product of someone's
> imagination (and, just guessing, Photoshop). It did not originate from
> Elecraft.
>
> My two cents, FWIW: it adds up to somewhat less than the sum of its parts
> ;)
>
> Wayne
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Scott Manthe-2

Re: K4?

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Gary,
Thanks for explaining. I was just curious, and no criticism was
intended, so I'm hoping that none was inferred. I agree about the K3.
I'd love it a bit more with band stacking, though...

73,
Scott, N9AA

On 4/24/14 4:56 PM, Gary Gregory wrote:

> Scott,
>
> Simple answer is I don't use Faceplant or other social media so for me
> (and this was all I was implying) it would be off my list of
> transceivers I might want to purchase.
>
> I know lots of folks love social media and that is good for them, I
> don't and that may well put me in a tiny minority, so be it...:-)
>
> Beauty is in the eye of the beholder they say and I love my K3 but i
> know there are folks that do not agree with me but that too is OK.
>
> But every now and then somebody comes up with an idea and at the very
> least it stimulates (or at least I hope it does) the fertile minds at
> Elecraft..:-)
>
> 73
>
> Gary
>

Gary Gregory-2

Re: K4?

Scott,

Yep....and and buttons too....however, the space on the front panel is
limited by design and I accept the minor inconvenience this gives me in
exchange for a brilliant receiver and all the other goodies Elecraft
included in the K3.

My only regret is the P3 lacking the promised remote Tx Sensor which
appears to have fallen off some list somewhere and no amount asking what
happened to it has elicited a response from Elecraft. I have given up hope
it will appear.

I smiled when I read your response Scott....and I still am...:-)

73

Gary

On 25 April 2014 07:09, Scott Manthe <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Gary,
> Thanks for explaining. I was just curious, and no criticism was intended,
> so I'm hoping that none was inferred. I agree about the K3. I'd love it a
> bit more with band stacking, though...
>
> 73,
> Scott, N9AA
>
>
>
> On 4/24/14 4:56 PM, Gary Gregory wrote:
>
>> Scott,
>>
>> Simple answer is I don't use Faceplant or other social media so for me
>> (and this was all I was implying) it would be off my list of transceivers I
>> might want to purchase.
>>
>> I know lots of folks love social media and that is good for them, I don't
>> and that may well put me in a tiny minority, so be it...:-)
>>
>> Beauty is in the eye of the beholder they say and I love my K3 but i know
>> there are folks that do not agree with me but that too is OK.
>>
>> But every now and then somebody comes up with an idea and at the very
>> least it stimulates (or at least I hope it does) the fertile minds at
>> Elecraft..:-)
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>

Tim Tucker

Re: K4?

Hahaha...the person(s) that don't use social media criticize the mockup
image because they don't understand that the social media icons are BELOW
the graphic, added by imgur.com so that people who do use social media can
share the image with their friends, and are not part of the actual graphic.
Oh, the irony... :)

On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Gary Gregory <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Scott,
>
> Yep....and and buttons too....however, the space on the front panel is
> limited by design and I accept the minor inconvenience this gives me in
> exchange for a brilliant receiver and all the other goodies Elecraft
> included in the K3.
>
> My only regret is the P3 lacking the promised remote Tx Sensor which
> appears to have fallen off some list somewhere and no amount asking what
> happened to it has elicited a response from Elecraft. I have given up hope
> it will appear.
>
> I smiled when I read your response Scott....and I still am...:-)
>
> 73
>
> Gary
>
>
> On 25 April 2014 07:09, Scott Manthe <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Gary,
> > Thanks for explaining. I was just curious, and no criticism was intended,
> > so I'm hoping that none was inferred. I agree about the K3. I'd love it a
> > bit more with band stacking, though...
> >
> > 73,
> > Scott, N9AA
> >
> >
> >
> > On 4/24/14 4:56 PM, Gary Gregory wrote:
> >
> >> Scott,
> >>
> >> Simple answer is I don't use Faceplant or other social media so for me
> >> (and this was all I was implying) it would be off my list of
> transceivers I
> >> might want to purchase.
> >>
> >> I know lots of folks love social media and that is good for them, I
> don't
> >> and that may well put me in a tiny minority, so be it...:-)
> >>
> >> Beauty is in the eye of the beholder they say and I love my K3 but i
> know
> >> there are folks that do not agree with me but that too is OK.
> >>
> >> But every now and then somebody comes up with an idea and at the very
> >> least it stimulates (or at least I hope it does) the fertile minds at
> >> Elecraft..:-)
> >>
> >> 73
> >>
> >> Gary
> >>
> >>
>
>
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>
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Arie Kleingeld PA3A-2

Re: K4?

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Nice try TJ,

No need for that here though.

73
Arie PA3A

TJ Campie schreef op 24-4-2014 22:07:
> Can we get one of these?
>
>
>
>
> 73, W0EA
> TJ
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NK7Z

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Oh Dear God Scott...
Please don't say that to loudly... I can see a time when the radio
tweets every successful contact made...
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On Thu, 2014-04-24 at 16:43 -0400, Scott Manthe wrote:

> There are no social media functions included in the proposed design, so
> what's your point? If you're implying that product design is not
> important to radio amateurs, you're sorely mistaken. A prime example is
> Icom, which has sold thousands of the IC-7800, IC-7600 and IC-756Pro
> series rigs primarily because they look cool. Yaesu also spends a great
> deal of effort on "eye candy." But those efforts have nothing to do with
> social media, so it's hard to see what you're getting at with the
> attempted social media correlation.
>
> 73,
> Scott, N9AA
>
>
> On 4/24/14 4:31 PM, Gary Gregory wrote:
> > I see NO correlation between Amateur Radio "On Air" and Faceplant, text
> > messaging or any other "social media" so I can't see any circumstances that
> > would prompt me to spend money on an "eye candy" box such as this.
> >
> > Completing the P3 should be a higher priority I would hope as it is still a
> > work in progress after years of being on sale and not much has changed
> > since production commenced. It still only does half the job.
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >
> >
>
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NK7Z

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Given I JUST bought a K3 I am sort of glad to hear that. :)
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On Thu, 2014-04-24 at 14:05 -0700, Wayne Burdick wrote:

> In case anyone was wondering, this drawing is a product of someone's imagination (and, just guessing, Photoshop). It did not originate from Elecraft.
>
> My two cents, FWIW: it adds up to somewhat less than the sum of its parts ;)
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
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Kelly Jones

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That is very close to happening now David. I believe HRD can be set to spam
Twitter each time a new country is worked. It may even "log" every QSO, but
I tend not to "follow" anyone that simply posts their log to Twitter, so I
may be wrong.

73
Kelly - @N0VD ;-)

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4?

Oh Dear God Scott...
Please don't say that to loudly... I can see a time when the radio tweets
every successful contact made...
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On Thu, 2014-04-24 at 16:43 -0400, Scott Manthe wrote:

that
> > would prompt me to spend money on an "eye candy" box such as this.
> >
> > Completing the P3 should be a higher priority I would hope as it is
still a

> > work in progress after years of being on sale and not much has changed
> > since production commenced. It still only does half the job.
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >
> >
>
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Scott Manthe-2

Re: K4?

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I know there are hams who tweet their rare DX contacts, so it won't be
long before the rig or logging software will post those automatically to
whatever social media site you prefer. Something to look forward to... ;)

73,
Scott, N9AA

On 4/24/14 6:13 PM, David Cole wrote:
> Oh Dear God Scott...
> Please don't say that to loudly... I can see a time when the radio
> tweets every successful contact made...

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I'd buy one.
W6RD
On 4/24/2014 3:14 PM, David Cole wrote:
> Given I JUST bought a K3 I am sort of glad to hear that. :)

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k6dgw

Re: K4?

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Twitter is being used as a transmission medium in several applications I
know of ... one is a mechanism to spot yourself to SOTAWatch and/or
QRPSpots from a phone. I don't know how it works but I had to get a
Twitter account to use it.

I've never twitted [or whatever] other than spotting myself once or
twice, I never get twits, and so far as I know, no human being knows my
"twitname," which includes me -- I've forgotten it, it's in my phone. :-)

Regarding the proposed K4, and with full knowledge that it is a made-up
photo and does not propose to include social media:

1. There are no dimensions given, but looking at my K3, the proposed K4
would have to be quite a bit wider to look like it does. That would
definitely NOT be a feature for me.

2. I sort of like the same size knobs for VFO A and B, I don't consider
one or the other to be a "sub-VFO," I switch between them often [don't
have the second RX].

3. An integrated P3 might appeal to some but not me. I look at the P3
now way more than I look at the radio and I have it positioned where it
is easy and non-straining to switch from the computer to the P3. If I
had to look over at the radio all the time to see the panadapter, I'd
get a cramp in my neck.

It will be interesting to see what, if anything, is in the "new radio"
pipeline at Elecraft since the company definitely does not have a
reputation of bringing out a new product that essentially replaces [and
thus makes obsolete] what you have now. I have the K3, a K2, and a KX1
... I use them in widely different situations, and together they give me
a whole range of operating possibilities. I think my K2 is about 12
years old [#4398], and so far, the only product that could even remotely
be considered as a possible replacement is the KX3, and that's really
"remote," they are very different radios.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014
- www.cqp.org

On 4/24/2014 3:42 PM, Scott Manthe wrote:
> I know there are hams who tweet their rare DX contacts, so it won't be
> long before the rig or logging software will post those automatically to
> whatever social media site you prefer. Something to look forward to... ;)
>
> 73,
> Scott, N9AA

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Re: K4?

Ooops...guess I just confirmed I am a Dinosaur....oh well, it is what it
is....:-(

Gotta go see the Quack now and get the Knives removed from my
back.....seeing as I am a self professed wimp, I really hope it don't hurt
too much and definitely NO needles needed....(sigh)

Now to remove my tongue from my cheek, it's been there awhile..(grin)

Never lose your sense of humour somebody once told me and it's darn good
advice I reckon.....

73

Back in my dim dark hole I go
Gary

On 25 April 2014 09:36, Fred Jensen <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Twitter is being used as a transmission medium in several applications I
> know of ... one is a mechanism to spot yourself to SOTAWatch and/or
> QRPSpots from a phone. I don't know how it works but I had to get a
> Twitter account to use it.
>
> I've never twitted [or whatever] other than spotting myself once or twice,
> I never get twits, and so far as I know, no human being knows my
> "twitname," which includes me -- I've forgotten it, it's in my phone. :-)
>
> Regarding the proposed K4, and with full knowledge that it is a made-up
> photo and does not propose to include social media:
>
> 1. There are no dimensions given, but looking at my K3, the proposed K4
> would have to be quite a bit wider to look like it does. That would
> definitely NOT be a feature for me.
>
> 2. I sort of like the same size knobs for VFO A and B, I don't consider
> one or the other to be a "sub-VFO," I switch between them often [don't have
> the second RX].
>
> 3. An integrated P3 might appeal to some but not me. I look at the P3
> now way more than I look at the radio and I have it positioned where it is
> easy and non-straining to switch from the computer to the P3. If I had to
> look over at the radio all the time to see the panadapter, I'd get a cramp
> in my neck.
>
> It will be interesting to see what, if anything, is in the "new radio"
> pipeline at Elecraft since the company definitely does not have a
> reputation of bringing out a new product that essentially replaces [and
> thus makes obsolete] what you have now. I have the K3, a K2, and a KX1 ...
> I use them in widely different situations, and together they give me a
> whole range of operating possibilities. I think my K2 is about 12 years
> old [#4398], and so far, the only product that could even remotely be
> considered as a possible replacement is the KX3, and that's really
> "remote," they are very different radios.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred K6DGW
> - Northern California Contest Club
> - CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014
> - www.cqp.org
>
>
> On 4/24/2014 3:42 PM, Scott Manthe wrote:
>
>> I know there are hams who tweet their rare DX contacts, so it won't be
>> long before the rig or logging software will post those automatically to
>> whatever social media site you prefer. Something to look forward to... ;)
>>
>> 73,
>> Scott, N9AA
>>
>
>
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