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Jim Bennett

KAT500 Question

Hi All -

On the KAT500 - what antenna port is "operational" when the unit is powered off? Is it the last one selected prior to power off, or does it operate like the LDG AT-600 where it always reverts to a specific antenna port (in that model, ANT2) at power off?

Jim / W6JHB
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Dick Dievendorff-4

Re: KAT500 Question

ANT1, ATU bypassed when power is removed.

73 de Dick, K6KR

On Jan 7, 2014, at 9:58 AM, Jim Bennett <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi All -
>
> On the KAT500 - what antenna port is "operational" when the unit is powered off? Is it the last one selected prior to power off, or does it operate like the LDG AT-600 where it always reverts to a specific antenna port (in that model, ANT2) at power off?
>
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Jim Bennett

Re: KAT500 Question

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Thanks folks - I knew I read it in the manual at one time but couldn't find it again!

Jim

On Tuesday, Jan 7, 2014, at Tuesday, 10:06 AM, george fritkin wrote:

> Consult Page 11 of manual
>
> George, W6GF
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 7, 2014 9:59 AM, Jim Bennett <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi All -
>
> On the KAT500 - what antenna port is "operational" when the unit is powered off? Is it the last one selected prior to power off, or does it operate like the LDG AT-600 where it always reverts to a specific antenna port (in that model, ANT2) at power off?
>
> Jim / W6JHB
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Phil Hystad-3

Re: KAT500 Question

Yes, "couldn't find it again" ... and, I too have stumbled into that refrain many times and not just with Elecraft manuals.

What would be nice are user manuals that are web-based (not PDF), that are heavily hyper-linked with cross references, side-bars, detail pages, and so on. It takes a lot of work to do such a thing but it is very nice when well done.

I wonder if Elecraft is interested in pursuing such a documentation effort. I submit that it is useful for the larger more comprehensive manuals like for the K3 and KX3. Other manuals are so short with more narrow topics and limited extent that such hyper-linking is not as useful.

Alternatively, maybe this would be something some customers might take on. I am retired and have the experience for such things having done it in the past for our company but I think I lack the depth and even width (OK, length too) of knowledge to do justice to the effort with Elecraft rigs that is needed. I should say though that it is a lot of work especially when you consider adding new material to an existing document for additional detail or new information.

73, phil, K7PEH

On Jan 7, 2014, at 10:23 AM, Jim Bennett <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Thanks folks - I knew I read it in the manual at one time but couldn't find it again!
>
> Jim
>
>
> On Tuesday, Jan 7, 2014, at Tuesday, 10:06 AM, george fritkin wrote:
>
>> Consult Page 11 of manual
>>
>> George, W6GF
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 7, 2014 9:59 AM, Jim Bennett <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hi All -
>>
>> On the KAT500 - what antenna port is "operational" when the unit is powered off? Is it the last one selected prior to power off, or does it operate like the LDG AT-600 where it always reverts to a specific antenna port (in that model, ANT2) at power off?
>>
>> Jim / W6JHB
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Oliver Dröse

Re: KAT500 Question

What's so difficult about using the search function in a PDF document? ;-)

73, Olli - DH8BQA

Am 07.01.2014 19:47, schrieb Phil Hystad:

> Yes, "couldn't find it again" ... and, I too have stumbled into that refrain many times and not just with Elecraft manuals.
>
> What would be nice are user manuals that are web-based (not PDF), that are heavily hyper-linked with cross references, side-bars, detail pages, and so on. It takes a lot of work to do such a thing but it is very nice when well done.
>
> I wonder if Elecraft is interested in pursuing such a documentation effort. I submit that it is useful for the larger more comprehensive manuals like for the K3 and KX3. Other manuals are so short with more narrow topics and limited extent that such hyper-linking is not as useful.
>
> Alternatively, maybe this would be something some customers might take on. I am retired and have the experience for such things having done it in the past for our company but I think I lack the depth and even width (OK, length too) of knowledge to do justice to the effort with Elecraft rigs that is needed. I should say though that it is a lot of work especially when you consider adding new material to an existing document for additional detail or new information.
>
> 73, phil, K7PEH
>
> On Jan 7, 2014, at 10:23 AM, Jim Bennett <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Thanks folks - I knew I read it in the manual at one time but couldn't find it again!
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, Jan 7, 2014, at Tuesday, 10:06 AM, george fritkin wrote:
>>
>>> Consult Page 11 of manual
>>>
>>> George, W6GF
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 7, 2014 9:59 AM, Jim Bennett <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Hi All -
>>>
>>> On the KAT500 - what antenna port is "operational" when the unit is powered off? Is it the last one selected prior to power off, or does it operate like the LDG AT-600 where it always reverts to a specific antenna port (in that model, ANT2) at power off?
>>>
>>> Jim / W6JHB
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Rose

Re: KAT500 Question

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Phil,

Google "KE7X manuals" - I think you'll find just what you're looking for.

73!
K0PP
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Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT

Re: KAT500 Question

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Too many PDFs are created by scanning a printed document, and not
converted to text via OCR.

Those can't be searched.

On 1/7/2014 10:55 AM, Oliver Dröse wrote:
> What's so difficult about using the search function in a PDF document?
> ;-)
>
> 73, Olli - DH8BQA

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Oliver Dröse

Re: KAT500 Question

Sure. But we were talking about Elecraft PDFs here, right? They sure are
searchable. ;-)

Am 07.01.2014 20:15, schrieb Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT:

> Too many PDFs are created by scanning a printed document, and not
> converted to text via OCR.
>
> Those can't be searched.
>
> On 1/7/2014 10:55 AM, Oliver Dröse wrote:
>> What's so difficult about using the search function in a PDF document?
>> ;-)
>>
>> 73, Olli - DH8BQA
>
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Phil Hystad-3

Re: KAT500 Question

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I have all editions of the KE7X manuals (K3 and KX3) since the beginning -- these are not hyperlinked. No, that is not anywhere close to what I am suggesting.

Let me describe a few features of how such a thing is put together or at least this is the kind of thing I have worked with in the past.

--- The document is presented both in forward form (just like reading the paper document for example) and inverted form.
--- Inverted means that the document is fully 100 percent indexed.
--- Indexed entries (remember, every single token/word is indexed are given attributes, some are automatically created.
--- Automatic attributes include the tagging of words as being regular English parts of speech such as articles, verbs, etc.
--- A database is created that contains all text (note, this is done differently for different kinds of documents).
--- Part of this database are support of connections. For example, connected topics together into a hierarchical network.
--- Connections are usually manually done so take time and a degree of subject knowledge and creativity.
--- There are also external connections to other information of a related type.
--- There are a variety of lookup and reading features such as keyword or topic and so on. Remember, most things are
linked.

I have used a variety of technology as the server side support for such hyperlinked documents. For example, both xml based data structures and relational database technology is used.

The idea of this approach (from my experience) grew out of an analysis method called "requirements tracing". There are some very good (and, very expensive) requirements tracing applications available. It takes a document (say, a defense department RFP) and generates the database, indexes, keywords, and so on. Some requirements are identified and tagged where as others need to be manually identified. Tracing means linking requirements together in a manner that allows extensions and back tracing. Back tracing is started from some deep and derived requirement statement to find the full ancestry of other requirements leading to this requirement.

73, phil

On Jan 7, 2014, at 10:56 AM, Rose <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Phil,
>
> Google "KE7X manuals" - I think you'll find just what you're looking for.
>
> 73!
> K0PP
>

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N8MSA

Re: KAT500 Question

Hyperlinking has its own limits; I have seen documents with so many hyperlinks so as to be difficult to read. Searching, on the other hand, doesn't require the author to try to anticipate all possible document uses and provides a cleaner interface.

I opened "Search" in Acrobat 9 (name varies with version), entered "bypass" into the search box and had the answer in about twenty seconds.

Note that this isn't a "read the manual" post, rather more of a "there's already a solution for this" post...

Mike Alexander - N8MSA

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 Question

I have all editions of the KE7X manuals (K3 and KX3) since the beginning -- these are not hyperlinked. No, that is not anywhere close to what I am suggesting.

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