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k5oai

[KAT500] Tune in KAT500 Utility software broken?

In the KAT500 Help file it says:
Click the KAT500 Utility Tune button or press the KAT500 front panel TUNE button
to start a "full tune".

With If I click Tune in the KAT500 Utility (with the KAT500 set to AUTO)
the KAT500 AUTO LED starts flashing
but nothing happens
*until* I *also* HOLD in the [TUNE] button on the K3

this also happens if I do the same thing (with the KAT500 set to MAN)
and click on Tune in the KAT500 Utility
the KAT500 MAN LED starts flashing
but nothing happens
*until* I *also* HOLD the [TUNE] button on the K3

I can just HOLD in the [TUNE] button
and the KAT500 will go into tune and will seek a new sweet spot

so is the Tune in the KAT500 Utility software broken,
or am I doing something wrong?
--

GB & 73
K5OAI
Sam Morgan
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Dick Dievendorff

Re: [KAT500] Tune in KAT500 Utility software broken?

You need to provide a 10 watt signal to tune. The mode LED blinks while waiting for sufficient signal to tune.

73 de Dick, K6KR

On Dec 3, 2012, at 18:53, Sam Morgan <[hidden email]> wrote:

> In the KAT500 Help file it says:
> Click the KAT500 Utility Tune button or press the KAT500 front panel TUNE button to start a "full tune".
>
> With If I click Tune in the KAT500 Utility (with the KAT500 set to AUTO)
> the KAT500 AUTO LED starts flashing
> but nothing happens
> *until* I *also* HOLD in the [TUNE] button on the K3
>
> this also happens if I do the same thing (with the KAT500 set to MAN)
> and click on Tune in the KAT500 Utility
> the KAT500 MAN LED starts flashing
> but nothing happens
> *until* I *also* HOLD the [TUNE] button on the K3
>
> I can just HOLD in the [TUNE] button
> and the KAT500 will go into tune and will seek a new sweet spot
>
> so is the Tune in the KAT500 Utility software broken,
> or am I doing something wrong?
> --
>
> GB & 73
> K5OAI
> Sam Morgan
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John_N1JM

Re: [KAT500] Tune in KAT500 Utility software broken?

It's would have been nice to have the the tune button on the KAT500 to also put the K3 into the tune mode. I am too lazy to push 2 buttons :-).

73,
John N1JM

ke9uw

Re: [KAT500] Tune in KAT500 Utility software broken?

I thought if you just press the K3 tune button, the tuner sees less than the required SWR and tunes. One button....?

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Chuck, KE9UW
(Jack for BMW motorcycles)

On Dec 4, 2012, at 11:06 AM, "John_N1JM" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> It's would have been nice to have the the tune button on the KAT500 to also
> put the K3 into the tune mode. I am too lazy to push 2 buttons :-).
>
> 73,
> John N1JM
>
>
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wayne burdick

Re: [KAT500] Tune in KAT500 Utility software broken?

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In reply to this post by John_N1JM

The intent is for this to work the other way: tapping the K3's ATU
TUNE button with a KAT500 connected will invoke TUNE at the KAT500.

Wayne
N6KR

On Dec 4, 2012, at 9:06 AM, John_N1JM wrote:

> It's would have been nice to have the the tune button on the KAT500
> to also
> put the K3 into the tune mode. I am too lazy to push 2 buttons :-).
>
> 73,
> John N1JM
>
>
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John_N1JM

Re: [KAT500] Tune in KAT500 Utility software broken?

Either way would be fine :-).

John N1JM

<quote author="wayne burdick">
The intent is for this to work the other way: tapping the K3's ATU
TUNE button with a KAT500 connected will invoke TUNE at the KAT500.

Wayne
N6KR

N0AZZ

Re: [KAT500] Tune in KAT500 Utility software broken?

In reply to this post by wayne burdick

Wayne

That is what I was hoping for to make it very erasy when connected to the
other units.

Thanks for that, will be looking forward to it.

Thx & 73
Fred/N0AZZ

-----Original Message-----
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To: John_N1JM
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KAT500] Tune in KAT500 Utility software broken?

The intent is for this to work the other way: tapping the K3's ATU TUNE
button with a KAT500 connected will invoke TUNE at the KAT500.

Wayne
N6KR

On Dec 4, 2012, at 9:06 AM, John_N1JM wrote:

> It's would have been nice to have the the tune button on the KAT500 to
> also put the K3 into the tune mode. I am too lazy to push 2 buttons
> :-).
>
> 73,
> John N1JM
>
>
>
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ke9uw

Re: [KAT500] Tune in KAT500 Utility software broken?

I take it that pressing the K3 Tune sends RF to invoke the KAT to tune by nature of receiving the RF. Not that the KAT is triggered into Tune by a digital signal thru a cable.
Looking forward to getting KAT500.

Thanks,

Chuck, KE9UW
Lionel Trains, TCA, LCCA, LRRC
aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles BMWMOA #224

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Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 1:52 AM
To: 'Wayne Burdick'; 'John_N1JM'
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KAT500] Tune in KAT500 Utility software broken?

Wayne

That is what I was hoping for to make it very erasy when connected to the
other units.

Thanks for that, will be looking forward to it.

Thx & 73
Fred/N0AZZ

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 6:39 PM
To: John_N1JM
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KAT500] Tune in KAT500 Utility software broken?

The intent is for this to work the other way: tapping the K3's ATU TUNE
button with a KAT500 connected will invoke TUNE at the KAT500.

Wayne
N6KR

On Dec 4, 2012, at 9:06 AM, John_N1JM wrote:

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KM4VX

Re: [KAT500] Tune in KAT500 Utility software broken?

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I think we need further clarification. "Tapping" the ATU TUNE button on the K3 just toggles between BYPASS and ATU. It does not force the KAT500 to tune. Do you mean we should HOLD the XMIT button on the K3 to force the KAT500 to tune or should we HOLD the ATU TUNE button on the K3 to force the KAT500 to tune. I very much agree with the post that one button on the KAT500 or one button on the K3 would be better than having to push a button on both to tune. Of course we still want the KAT500 to memorize the settings. Thanks

Augie "Gus" Hansen

Re: [KAT500] Tune in KAT500 Utility software broken?

On 12/5/2012 9:27 AM, KM4VX wrote:
> I think we need further clarification. "Tapping" the ATU TUNE button on the
> K3 just toggles between BYPASS and ATU.

That's backwards Ron.

Press and hold the ATU TUNE button to toggle the tuner state between the
AUTO and BYPASS states.

Tapping the ATU TUNE button causes the tuner to try to find a match if
the tuner is enabled (AUTO).

Gus Hansen
KB0YH
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N5GE-2

Re: [KAT500] Tune in KAT500 Utility software broken?

In reply to this post by KM4VX

You DO NOT have to push two buttons to tune with the KAT500.

Set the tune power for the K3 to 25W (See the manual for
instructions). After doing that, holding the XMIT button will
activate the tuner. When the KAT500 has finished tuning, tap the
XMIT button to return to RX.

In the Utility program:
Tapping the TUNE button on the "Operate" tab tells the tuner that the
next time you activate tuning it will do a completely new tuning
cycle at the current frequency. This is useful if you have changed
the antenna in such a way that it will need to be re-turned from
scratch.

73,
Amateur Radio Operator N5GE
ARRL Lifetime Member
QCWA Lifetime Member

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submit to burdens unnecessarily laid upon them by their governments."
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On Wed, 5 Dec 2012 08:27:15 -0800 (PST), KM4VX
<[hidden email]> wrote:

>I think we need further clarification. "Tapping" the ATU TUNE button on the
>K3 just toggles between BYPASS and ATU. It does not force the KAT500 to
>tune. Do you mean we should HOLD the XMIT button on the K3 to force the
>KAT500 to tune or should we HOLD the ATU TUNE button on the K3 to force the
>KAT500 to tune. I very much agree with the post that one button on the
>KAT500 or one button on the K3 would be better than having to push a button
>on both to tune. Of course we still want the KAT500 to memorize the
>settings. Thanks

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N5GE-2

Re: [KAT500] Tune in KAT500 Utility software broken?

In reply to this post by KM4VX

Aditional information:

Once you have tuned the KAT500 to a frequency, the tuner will use
it's memory to tune to that frequency any time you return to it or
near enough that a re- tune is not required. If, when RF is applied
tuning is required, the tuner will activate automatically and
re-tune.

Both of my posts under this thread refer to the way my KAT500
behaves.

Amateur Radio Operator N5GE
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enemy."
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On Wed, 5 Dec 2012 08:27:15 -0800 (PST), KM4VX
<[hidden email]> wrote:

>I think we need further clarification. "Tapping" the ATU TUNE button on the
>K3 just toggles between BYPASS and ATU. It does not force the KAT500 to
>tune. Do you mean we should HOLD the XMIT button on the K3 to force the
>KAT500 to tune or should we HOLD the ATU TUNE button on the K3 to force the
>KAT500 to tune. I very much agree with the post that one button on the
>KAT500 or one button on the K3 would be better than having to push a button
>on both to tune. Of course we still want the KAT500 to memorize the
>settings. Thanks

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KM4VX

Re: [KAT500] Tune in KAT500 Utility software broken?

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I get it. You HOLD the XMIT button on the K3 to tune the KAT500 and no need to press TUNE on the KAT500 and then a button on the K3. You don't TAP the ATU TUNE button when in BYPASS mode with the ATU installed (if using the KAT500) because nothing happens except the screen reminds that you are in BYPASS mode. There is room for some confusion and some omission in the manual. For instance:

" You can prevent automatic tuning by selecting the MAN (manual) mode. In MAN, the KAT500 will
automatically choose a new tuner setting..." I guess that makes sense to someone. In MAN mode the tuner automatically----. Thanks.

Rick WA6NHC

Re: [KAT500] Tune in KAT500 Utility software broken?

And after the KAT500 has learned enough (happens over time), remembering to
transmit a short taste of RF (TUNE or a few dits) to the KAT500 when
changing band segments (CW-Fone portions) so the KAT500 can adjust. This is
really important the lower the band.

Only the BAND information is sent to the KAT500, not the band segment.

Because of that, you'll find that the system will 'presume' nothing has
changed when you in band QSY and you'll want to leave the KPA500 offline for
that dit because even the momentary mismatch (while the KAT500 tunes) is
enough to fault the KPA500. That means additional time to clear the fault
etc.

It isn't a problem with the gear, but in adjusting the organic memory (me!)
for appropriate operating habits.

In short, after an in band QSY, inform the KAT500 by sending a couple dits.

Perhaps at some future date the wizards at Elecraft can update the K3
firmware to make the K3 AT Tune button function cause the KAT500 to act like
the KAT3 tuner functions, but it's pretty darned close to perfect now.

73 es Merry Christmas,
Rick wa6nhc
K3 + P3 + KPA500 + KAT500 = one happy camper

-----Original Message-----
From: KM4VX

I get it. You HOLD the XMIT button on the K3 to tune the KAT500 and no need
to press TUNE on the KAT500 and then a button on the K3. You don't TAP the
ATU TUNE button when in BYPASS mode with the ATU installed (if using the
KAT500) because nothing happens except the screen reminds that you are in
BYPASS mode. There is room for some confusion and some omission in the
manual. For instance:

" You can prevent automatic tuning by selecting the MAN (manual) mode. In
MAN, the KAT500 will
automatically choose a new tuner setting..." I guess that makes sense to
someone. In MAN mode the tuner automatically----. Thanks.

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