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On the Elecraft website page for the K2, it says in red letters, "Now with DSP!"
Further down the page, it shows the KDSP2 under K2 and accessories. When you click on the KDSP2, it takes you to a page for the KDSP2 accessory. In the order page, it shows KDSP2 as "discontinued." Is it now included, or hereafter unavailable? 73 Jim Allen W6OGC Sent from my iPad ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Jim,
The KDSP2 option has been discontinued. The main DSP module is no longer available. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/28/2016 5:22 PM, Jim Allen wrote: > On the Elecraft website page for the K2, it says in red letters, "Now with DSP!" > > Further down the page, it shows the KDSP2 under K2 and accessories. When you click on the KDSP2, it takes you to a page for the KDSP2 accessory. > > In the order page, it shows KDSP2 as "discontinued." > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Hi Jim,
The KDSP2 is no longer available due to the lack of available parts. 73, Mark Musick, WB9CIF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Jim Allen Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 9:22 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: [Elecraft] KDSP2 On the Elecraft website page for the K2, it says in red letters, "Now with DSP!" Further down the page, it shows the KDSP2 under K2 and accessories. When you click on the KDSP2, it takes you to a page for the KDSP2 accessory. In the order page, it shows KDSP2 as "discontinued." Is it now included, or hereafter unavailable? 73 Jim Allen W6OGC Sent from my iPad ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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The K2 was first prototyped in October 1997. I'll bet no one back then
would have guessed that demand for parts would still be around 19 years later in 2016. 73, Guy. On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 6:03 PM, Mark E. Musick <[hidden email]> wrote: > Hi Jim, > The KDSP2 is no longer available due to the lack of available parts. > > 73, > Mark Musick, WB9CIF > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Jim > Allen > Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 9:22 PM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: [Elecraft] KDSP2 > > On the Elecraft website page for the K2, it says in red letters, "Now with > DSP!" > > Further down the page, it shows the KDSP2 under K2 and accessories. When > you click on the KDSP2, it takes you to a page for the KDSP2 accessory. > > In the order page, it shows KDSP2 as "discontinued." > > Is it now included, or hereafter unavailable? > > 73 Jim Allen W6OGC > Sent from my iPad > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message > delivered to [hidden email] > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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I will not regret the discontinuation of KDSP2. In my case, I do not feel any usefulness of the KDSP2,I sold it and replaced with a KAF2 at a much lower cost. While there are a number of settings in KDSP2 which you can manipulate, regrettably none of the settings gave me a present result. The artifacts from the DeNoiser is huge and much worse than K3.
IMHO, among the elecraft radios, the best Noise Reduction NR is in KX3 (I did not try the KX2). KDSP2 is in the audio stage and did not improve any selectivity like the DSP in K3 KAF2 in the used market is really cheap. Adding the KAF2 will not cost much but at least give you some listening comfort. With some careful choices of R and C in KAF2 (please refer to the manual), you will find yourself a sweet spot even for SSB. 73 Johnny VR2XMC 寄件人︰ Guy Olinger K2AV <[hidden email]> 收件人︰ Mark E. Musick <[hidden email]> 副本(CC)︰ Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>; Jim Allen <[hidden email]> 傳送日期︰ 2016年08月29日 (週一) 9:07 AM 主題︰ Re: [Elecraft] KDSP2 The K2 was first prototyped in October 1997. I'll bet no one back then would have guessed that demand for parts would still be around 19 years later in 2016. 73, Guy. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Au Contraire in my case, Johnny. I've found the
KDSP2 to be very effective and still use my K2/100 in my secondary operating location as my QRO rig. The issue with the KDSP2 is getting the settings right. That was tricky and probably took me a year or two of experimentation. But now it works very well for me and I find the NR very effective. 73, Phil W7OX On 8/28/16 6:20 PM, Johnny Siu via Elecraft wrote: > I will not regret the discontinuation of KDSP2. In my case, I do not feel any usefulness of the KDSP2,I sold it and replaced with a KAF2 at a much lower cost. While there are a number of settings in KDSP2 which you can manipulate, regrettably none of the settings gave me a present result. The artifacts from the DeNoiser is huge and much worse than K3. > IMHO, among the elecraft radios, the best Noise Reduction NR is in KX3 (I did not try the KX2). KDSP2 is in the audio stage and did not improve any selectivity like the DSP in K3 > KAF2 in the used market is really cheap. Adding the KAF2 will not cost much but at least give you some listening comfort. With some careful choices of R and C in KAF2 (please refer to the manual), you will find yourself a sweet spot even for SSB. > 73 > Johnny VR2XMC > > 寄件人︰ Guy Olinger K2AV <[hidden email]> > 收件人︰ Mark E. Musick <[hidden email]> > 副本(CC)︰ Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>; Jim Allen <[hidden email]> > 傳送日期︰ 2016年08月29日 (週一) 9:07 AM > 主題︰ Re: [Elecraft] KDSP2 > > The K2 was first prototyped in October 1997. I'll bet no one back then > would have guessed that demand for parts would still be around 19 years > later in 2016. > > 73, Guy. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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In my last job before retirement I was supervising a group of folks in a
components engineering department at Raytheon. A good number of them worked on nothing but obsolete parts issues. When the latest and greatest parts are obsolete in a year or so and you have missile products that require support for at least 10 years (there are probably TOW Missiles in inventory that I worked on in 1966) you have a real problem. This was especially true when suppliers issued End Of Life notices and the bean counters in Procurement were aghast at the idea of lifetime buys and inventories. On 8/28/2016 3:03 PM, Mark E. Musick wrote: > Hi Jim, > The KDSP2 is no longer available due to the lack of available parts. > > 73, > Mark Musick, WB9CIF > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Hello Phil,
Very well respected and I did read similar favorable comments about KDSP2 like yours in the past. The best part of this mail listing is that we are used to agree to 'disagree'. My K2 was gone some time and replaced by K3 and KX3. Now, I am keeping a close eye on the Icom new IC7610 SDR which I saw in Tokyo ham fair 2016. 73 Johnny VR2XMC 寄件人︰ Phil Wheeler <[hidden email]> 收件人︰ [hidden email] 傳送日期︰ 2016年08月29日 (週一) 9:36 AM 主題︰ Re: [Elecraft] KDSP2 Au Contraire in my case, Johnny. I've found the KDSP2 to be very effective and still use my K2/100 in my secondary operating location as my QRO rig. The issue with the KDSP2 is getting the settings right. That was tricky and probably took me a year or two of experimentation. But now it works very well for me and I find the NR very effective. 73, Phil W7OX On 8/28/16 6:20 PM, Johnny Siu via Elecraft wrote: > I will not regret the discontinuation of KDSP2. In my case, I do not feel any usefulness of the KDSP2,I sold it and replaced with a KAF2 at a much lower cost. While there are a number of settings in KDSP2 which you can manipulate, regrettably none of the settings gave me a present result. The artifacts from the DeNoiser is huge and much worse than K3. > IMHO, among the elecraft radios, the best Noise Reduction NR is in KX3 (I did not try the KX2). KDSP2 is in the audio stage and did not improve any selectivity like the DSP in K3 > KAF2 in the used market is really cheap. Adding the KAF2 will not cost much but at least give you some listening comfort. With some careful choices of R and C in KAF2 (please refer to the manual), you will find yourself a sweet spot even for SSB. > 73 > Johnny VR2XMC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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When I heard that the KDSP2 was being discontinued I ordered a second K2 with all the accessories – KAT2, KPA100, KNB2, KAF2, etc. There just isn’t any other real build-it-yourself transceiver in the market today. The Sienna revision, apparently, is still in prototype.
The K2 kits are now in my basement closet. The question – should I build it? Or save it . . . Consider – how much would a never-opened-box be worth today for a DX-100B kit? (Shipping weight at the time was 107 pounds, in case that’s of interest.) Let’s see – the DX-100B came out in more or less 1960. That’s 56 years ago. In 2072 I’d be 128. Will Richard at Elecraft Parts still be able to provide whatever might be missing from the K2 parts list for whoever owns the box then? Ted, KN1CBR ------------------------------ Message: 28 Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 21:07:21 -0400 From: Guy Olinger K2AV <[hidden email]> To: "Mark E. Musick" <[hidden email]> Cc: Jim Allen <[hidden email]>, Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KDSP2 Message-ID: <[hidden email]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 The K2 was first prototyped in October 1997. I'll bet no one back then would have guessed that demand for parts would still be around 19 years later in 2016. 73, Guy. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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The KDSP2 came out in the early 2000s. KK7P reverse-engineered the KAF2
interface on his K2 prior to Elecraft's involvement, although Wayne later became a field tester. 73, Bob N7XY (former KDSP2 field tester) On 8/28/16 6:07 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > The K2 was first prototyped in October 1997. I'll bet no one back then > would have guessed that demand for parts would still be around 19 years > later in 2016. > > 73, Guy. > > On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 6:03 PM, Mark E. Musick <[hidden email]> > wrote: > >> Hi Jim, >> The KDSP2 is no longer available due to the lack of available parts. >> >> 73, >> Mark Musick, WB9CIF >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Jim >> Allen >> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 9:22 PM >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: [Elecraft] KDSP2 >> >> On the Elecraft website page for the K2, it says in red letters, "Now with >> DSP!" >> >> Further down the page, it shows the KDSP2 under K2 and accessories. When >> you click on the KDSP2, it takes you to a page for the KDSP2 accessory. >> >> In the order page, it shows KDSP2 as "discontinued." >> >> Is it now included, or hereafter unavailable? >> >> 73 Jim Allen W6OGC >> Sent from my iPad >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message >> delivered to [hidden email] >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [hidden email] >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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