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Richard Squire - HB9ANM

KIOB

Don is right as usual. I, too, am very happy with my three USB interfaces
(K3, KPA500 and digital PTT), external sound card and 7-port USB hub.

Although I upgraded my two K3’s with a total of four KSYN3A’s and two
KXV3B’s, I decided not to order the KIO3B which “Eliminates need for
PC soundcard and cables”, i.e. would make all that stuff, which cost
about twice as much as one KIOB, “obsolete”.

YMMV...

73
Richard - HB9ANM

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Gary Gregory-2

Re: KIOB

Well, being that I am 24/7 in my Motorhome, I want the KIOB upgrade to help reduce the , dare I say, clutter at the back of my wireless. Hmm, that's a misnomer...
Santa has informed me he is running late and my KIOB will not be delivered till the 1st quarter, 2016.
Guess he knows Eric well.

Sigh.....waiting at the bottom of the list......
Gary

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Subject: [Elecraft] KIOB

Don is right as usual. I, too, am very happy with my three USB interfaces
(K3, KPA500 and digital PTT), external sound card and 7-port USB hub.

Although I upgraded my two K3’s with a total of four KSYN3A’s and two
KXV3B’s, I decided not to order the KIO3B which “Eliminates need for
PC soundcard and cables”, i.e. would make all that stuff, which cost
about twice as much as one KIOB, “obsolete”.

YMMV...

73
Richard - HB9ANM

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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: KIOB

Gary,

In the "olden days", we did not have such clutter. If one is willing to
do paper logging, there is no need for a computer connection and if we
stick to SSB and CW, we only need a microphone and a key - KISS
principle, and no extra cables except for the mic and key cables.

Problem is that we 'want it all', and so the cable clutter expands
without bounds as each additional device is introduced.
I am planning a new operating desk that can be pulled away from the wall
so I can access the rear of the equipment and hopefully keep those
'extra' cables neat and tidy. It may be a while before that is realized.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 12/16/2015 6:57 PM, Gary wrote:
> Well, being that I am 24/7 in my Motorhome, I want the KIOB upgrade to help reduce the , dare I say, clutter at the back of my wireless. Hmm, that's a misnomer...
> Santa has informed me he is running late and my KIOB will not be delivered till the 1st quarter, 2016.
> Guess he knows Eric well.
>
>

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k6dgw

Re: KIOB

Hmmm ... a big problem for me is that cables seem to come in lengths
that are almost universally too long. I have a Wi-Fi dongle on top of
the RemoteRig box with a 6 ft [1.83 m] Cat5 cable connecting it to the
RR box, all of 1 inch [2.54 cm] below it. Sadly an RJ-45 crimper is
expensive and I'd use it a few times, probably all in one day, and never
again. The "USB" cable from the wall wart that powers the dongle is
also 6 ft [1.83 m] long. It only needs to be 6 in [15.24 cm] long.
Nick of Pignology made me a short flat cable from the PigKnob interface
to the K3 right below it, replacing about 8 ft [2.44 m]. I wonder if
there is a market out there, every contemporary ham station I've seen
gives lie to the term "wireless."

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016
- www.cqp.org

On 12/16/2015 4:10 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

> In the "olden days", we did not have such clutter. If one is willing to
> do paper logging, there is no need for a computer connection and if we
> stick to SSB and CW, we only need a microphone and a key - KISS
> principle, and no extra cables except for the mic and key cables.
>
> Problem is that we 'want it all', and so the cable clutter expands
> without bounds as each additional device is introduced.
> I am planning a new operating desk that can be pulled away from the wall
> so I can access the rear of the equipment and hopefully keep those
> 'extra' cables neat and tidy. It may be a while before that is realized.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR

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Jim Brown-10

Re: KIOB

On Wed,12/16/2015 4:49 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> a big problem for me is that cables seem to come in lengths that are
> almost universally too long.

One of the virtues of a cable with extra length is that it's easy to add
a common mode choke to it by winding some or all of that excess length
through a ferrite core.

73, Jim K9YC
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Bob-270

Re: KIOB

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Hi Fred,

No financial interest but one of the best sources I know of for
cables is here:

http://www.l-com.com/

If I have to "shorten" cables I fold them back on themselves and use
wire ties to bundle that up. Can dramatically reduce clutter and or Rats Nests.

73,
Bob
K2TK ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR

On 12/16/2015 7:49 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:

> Hmmm ... a big problem for me is that cables seem to come in lengths that are
> almost universally too long. I have a Wi-Fi dongle on top of the RemoteRig
> box with a 6 ft [1.83 m] Cat5 cable connecting it to the RR box, all of 1 inch
> [2.54 cm] below it. Sadly an RJ-45 crimper is expensive and I'd use it a few
> times, probably all in one day, and never again. The "USB" cable from the
> wall wart that powers the dongle is also 6 ft [1.83 m] long. It only needs to
> be 6 in [15.24 cm] long. Nick of Pignology made me a short flat cable from the
> PigKnob interface to the K3 right below it, replacing about 8 ft [2.44 m]. I
> wonder if there is a market out there, every contemporary ham station I've
> seen gives lie to the term "wireless."
>
> 73,
>
> Fred K6DGW
> - Northern California Contest Club
> - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016
> - www.cqp.org
>
> On 12/16/2015 4:10 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>
>> In the "olden days", we did not have such clutter. If one is willing to
>> do paper logging, there is no need for a computer connection and if we
>> stick to SSB and CW, we only need a microphone and a key - KISS
>> principle, and no extra cables except for the mic and key cables.
>>
>> Problem is that we 'want it all', and so the cable clutter expands
>> without bounds as each additional device is introduced.
>> I am planning a new operating desk that can be pulled away from the wall
>> so I can access the rear of the equipment and hopefully keep those
>> 'extra' cables neat and tidy. It may be a while before that is realized.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>
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Stewart@twinwood

Re: KIOB

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Don,
Got fed up of all the years either pulling equipment or desks out to get at
cables. Fixing one upset others...

New shack has desk permanently 2 ft away from the wall so I can walk behind it
and fix things.

Deep Joy !!!

73
Stewart G3RXQ

On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 19:10:04 -0500, Don Wilhelm wrote:

> Gary,
>
> In the "olden days", we did not have such clutter. If one is willing to
> do paper logging, there is no need for a computer connection and if we
> stick to SSB and CW, we only need a microphone and a key - KISS
> principle, and no extra cables except for the mic and key cables.
>
> Problem is that we 'want it all', and so the cable clutter expands
> without bounds as each additional device is introduced.
> I am planning a new operating desk that can be pulled away from the wall
> so I can access the rear of the equipment and hopefully keep those
> 'extra' cables neat and tidy. It may be a while before that is realized.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 12/16/2015 6:57 PM, Gary wrote:
>> Well, being that I am 24/7 in my Motorhome, I want the KIOB upgrade to help

reduce the , dare I say, clutter at the back of my wireless. Hmm, that's a
misnomer...
>> Santa has informed me he is running late and my KIOB will not be delivered
till the 1st quarter, 2016.

>> Guess he knows Eric well.
>>
>
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MontyS

Re: KIOB

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Another approach...

Shack in closet. Bathroom behind develops water leak. Pull shack desk to
remove wet wall. Fix rats nest of cables behind monitor. Get power strips
for all the power cubes. Repair plumbing and wall. Push desk back.

Monty K2DLJ

....I am planning a new operating desk that can be pulled away from the wall
so I can access the rear of the equipment and hopefully keep those
'extra' cables neat and tidy. It may be a while before that is realized.

73,
Don W3FPR

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Robert Nobis - N7RJN

Re: KIOB

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Here in Arizona, I have the desk in my shack against two side-by-side windows. I can access all equipment and cables from outside.

73,

Bob Nobis - N7RJN
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> On Dec 17, 2015, at 01:10, Stewart <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Don,
> Got fed up of all the years either pulling equipment or desks out to get at
> cables. Fixing one upset others...
>
> New shack has desk permanently 2 ft away from the wall so I can walk behind it
> and fix things.
>
> Deep Joy !!!
>
> 73
> Stewart G3RXQ
>
> On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 19:10:04 -0500, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> Gary,
>>
>> In the "olden days", we did not have such clutter. If one is willing to
>> do paper logging, there is no need for a computer connection and if we
>> stick to SSB and CW, we only need a microphone and a key - KISS
>> principle, and no extra cables except for the mic and key cables.
>>
>> Problem is that we 'want it all', and so the cable clutter expands
>> without bounds as each additional device is introduced.
>> I am planning a new operating desk that can be pulled away from the wall
>> so I can access the rear of the equipment and hopefully keep those
>> 'extra' cables neat and tidy. It may be a while before that is realized.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 12/16/2015 6:57 PM, Gary wrote:
>>> Well, being that I am 24/7 in my Motorhome, I want the KIOB upgrade to help
> reduce the , dare I say, clutter at the back of my wireless. Hmm, that's a
> misnomer...
>>> Santa has informed me he is running late and my KIOB will not be delivered
> till the 1st quarter, 2016.
>>> Guess he knows Eric well.
>>>
>>
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KENT TRIMBLE

Re: KIOB

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I bought 3 executive desks from Walmart, arranged them in a U-shape, and put them in the center of the room. I put the equipment (modern and vintage) facing outward. Cables and cords are hidden by the gear, yet easily accessable inside the U (and by walking upright, too). No crawling under, no pulling anything out, no opening windows. Coax, AC , and 4-inch copper strap come up through the fl

>
> ....I am planning a new operating desk that can be pulled away from the wall
> so I can access the rear of the equipment and hopefully keep those 'extra' cables neat and tidy.
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KENT TRIMBLE

Re: KIOB

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>
>
> Here in Arizona, I have the desk in my shack against two side-by-side windows. I can access all equipment and cables from outside.
>
>
>
>
>>
>> Got fed up of all the years either pulling equipment or desks out to get at
>> cables. Fixing one upset others...
>>
>> New shack has desk permanently 2 ft away from the wall so I can walk behind it
>> and fix things.
>>
>

Michael Schulz

Re: KIOB

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I call shenanigans on that less clutter because of no computer :) The number
of cables in my shack related directly to the
radio (I don't even do SSB) far outnumbers the computer related cables.
Paper logging? Seems to work wonders in contests ;) *cough dupes cough*

73 Mike K5TRI

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> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Don
> Wilhelm
> Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 4:10 PM
> To: Gary <[hidden email]>; Richard - HB9ANM
> <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KIOB
>
> Gary,
>
> In the "olden days", we did not have such clutter. If one is willing to

do paper
> logging, there is no need for a computer connection and if we stick to SSB
> and CW, we only need a microphone and a key - KISS principle, and no extra
> cables except for the mic and key cables.
>
> Problem is that we 'want it all', and so the cable clutter expands without
> bounds as each additional device is introduced.
> I am planning a new operating desk that can be pulled away from the wall
so I
> can access the rear of the equipment and hopefully keep those 'extra'
cables
> neat and tidy. It may be a while before that is realized.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 12/16/2015 6:57 PM, Gary wrote:
> > Well, being that I am 24/7 in my Motorhome, I want the KIOB upgrade to
> help reduce the , dare I say, clutter at the back of my wireless. Hmm,
that's a
> misnomer...
> > Santa has informed me he is running late and my KIOB will not be
delivered

> till the 1st quarter, 2016.
> > Guess he knows Eric well.
> >
> >
>
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Alan. G4GNX

Re: Cable runs [was: KIOB]

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I am building a new shack in the roof space, using drywall. I plan to keep
all cables suspended on cable trays or hooks on the outside of the walls, in
the void where there is sufficient space for me to access them.

73,

Alan. G4GNX

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From: Robert Nobis
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 11:36 AM
To: Stewart
Cc: [hidden email] ; Richard - HB9ANM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KIOB

Here in Arizona, I have the desk in my shack against two side-by-side
windows. I can access all equipment and cables from outside.

73,

Bob Nobis - N7RJN
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Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT

Re: KIOB

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I don't have a mic. cable or a key cable.

I run digital modes. Thanks to the computer, I no longer need a 28KSR
or a TU.

On 12/17/2015 9:14 AM, Michael Schulz wrote:
> I call shenanigans on that less clutter because of no computer

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