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Tom Zeltwanger

KPA-500 with Portable Generator

Does anyone have any experience using their KPA-500 with a small, portable generator? I was thinking about using a generator and an UPS, but I am finding that my small UPS does not like generator power.

I am guessing some of you may have tried this at Field Day. What did you find?

73,

Tom, KG3V

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Bob McGraw - K4TAX

Re: KPA-500 with Portable Generator

The Honda EU2200i will handle the KPA500 quite well and provide power
for other items. You should run the generator in the ECO throttle in
the OFF position as CW and SSB will have it trying to keep up with load
changes. And the new ones are rated at 2200 watts max, 1800 watts rated
where as the older one was 2000 watts max. With the EU2200i you should
not need a UPS.

73

Bob, K4TAX

On 3/7/2019 1:20 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
> Does anyone have any experience using their KPA-500 with a small, portable generator? I was thinking about using a generator and an UPS, but I am finding that my small UPS does not like generator power.
>
> I am guessing some of you may have tried this at Field Day. What did you find?
>
> 73,
>
> Tom, KG3V
>
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jaevans

Re: KPA-500 with Portable Generator

Honda just issued a stop sell order for the 2200 due to some hardware
issues.

https://rvdailyreport.com/industry/honda-issues-stop-sell-order-for-eu2200i-generators/?fbclid=IwAR0e810z_ppbrXdUdY6egI8F-MvVtSTwZE_cDQq9ILLMEZPUT96P4J8E5_8

On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 12:29 PM Bob McGraw K4TAX <[hidden email]>
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> The Honda EU2200i will handle the KPA500 quite well and provide power
> for other items. ...
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Bob McGraw - K4TAX

Re: KPA-500 with Portable Generator

Correct. I was just speaking with the Sales person at Hondashop.com.
The units are on a recall / hold. They have quite a back order list.
Their price is $899.00 delivered in USA. CA residents pay 7.375 tax.
They do not have the EU2000i as it is discontinued.

73

Bob, K4TAX

On 3/7/2019 1:43 PM, John Evans wrote:

> Honda just issued a stop sell order for the 2200 due to some hardware
> issues.
>
> https://rvdailyreport.com/industry/honda-issues-stop-sell-order-for-eu2200i-generators/?fbclid=IwAR0e810z_ppbrXdUdY6egI8F-MvVtSTwZE_cDQq9ILLMEZPUT96P4J8E5_8
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 12:29 PM Bob McGraw K4TAX <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>> The Honda EU2200i will handle the KPA500 quite well and provide power
>> for other items. ...
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ANDY DURBIN

KPA-500 with Portable Generator

In reply to this post by Tom Zeltwanger

I ran 2018 Field day as 1E with TS-590S, KAT500, and KPA500 using a Honda 2000i and a UPS. I ran the generator in economy mode with no issues but was limiting my output power to 150 W to comply with my class limit.

Although not required by the rules, my entire station was generator powered so the UPS made generator shut down for refuel easy. Also a lot easier to reconfigure after the event as one one plug to move.

73,
Andy, k3wyc

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Jim Brown-10

Re: KPA-500 with Portable Generator

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I'm not familiar with the 2200i, but our CQP and 7QP county expedition
groups have used the 2000i for years to run a K3/P3/KPA500/KAT500
station on both CW and SSB. At times we have been able to run in ECO
mode without issues, while at other times we've had issues voltage
regulation with the KPA500. Short, beefy copper between the KPA500 and
the generator helps. We mostly work CW, but also do SSB.

73, Jim K9YC

On 3/7/2019 11:28 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:

> The Honda EU2200i will handle the KPA500 quite well and provide power
> for other items. You should run the generator in the ECO throttle
> in the OFF position as CW and SSB will have it trying to keep up with
> load changes. And the new ones are rated at 2200 watts max, 1800
> watts rated where as the older one was 2000 watts max. With the
> EU2200i you should not need a UPS.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> On 3/7/2019 1:20 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>> Does anyone have any experience using their KPA-500 with a small,
>> portable generator? I was thinking about using a generator and an
>> UPS, but I am finding that my small UPS does not like generator power.
>> I am guessing some of you may have tried this at Field Day. What
>> did you find?
>> 73,
>> Tom, KG3V
>> __
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Re: KPA-500 with Portable Generator

In reply to this post by Tom Zeltwanger

Honda generators are usually pretty good.. but nothing is perfect. Leaking fuel is a big red flag.
There's always that Harbor Freight clone... which ought to do the job... and presumably is not affected by a fuel leak.
73 de RayK2ULRKX3 #211

-----Original Message-----
From: John Evans <[hidden email]>
To: elecraft <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thu, Mar 7, 2019 2:44 pm
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-500 with Portable Generator

Honda just issued a stop sell order for the 2200 due to some hardware
issues.

https://rvdailyreport.com/industry/honda-issues-stop-sell-order-for-eu2200i-generators/?fbclid=IwAR0e810z_ppbrXdUdY6egI8F-MvVtSTwZE_cDQq9ILLMEZPUT96P4J8E5_8

On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 12:29 PM Bob McGraw K4TAX <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> The Honda EU2200i will handle the KPA500 quite well and provide power
> for other items. ...
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Mark Forsyth-2

Re: KPA-500 with Portable Generator

If you're thinking of using a generator at the cheaper end of the scale make sure that its output is pure sine wave and NOT modified sine wave.

Cheers,
Mark F...
VK3ZMF / VK3KW
KX3 with the lot # 1675
KXPA100 # 530
PX3 # 233

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] <elecraft-
> [hidden email]> On Behalf Of Raymond Sills via Elecraft
> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2019 7:58 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-500 with Portable Generator
>
> Honda generators are usually pretty good.. but nothing is perfect. Leaking
> fuel is a big red flag.
> There's always that Harbor Freight clone... which ought to do the job... and
> presumably is not affected by a fuel leak.
> 73 de RayK2ULRKX3 #211
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Evans <[hidden email]>
> To: elecraft <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Thu, Mar 7, 2019 2:44 pm
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-500 with Portable Generator
>
> Honda just issued a stop sell order for the 2200 due to some hardware issues.
>
> https://rvdailyreport.com/industry/honda-issues-stop-sell-order-for-
> eu2200i-generators/?fbclid=IwAR0e810z_ppbrXdUdY6egI8F-
> MvVtSTwZE_cDQq9ILLMEZPUT96P4J8E5_8
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 12:29 PM Bob McGraw K4TAX
> <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > The Honda EU2200i will handle the KPA500 quite well and provide power
> > for other items. ...
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Mark Forsyth-2

Re: KPA-500 with Portable Generator

That'd probably be fine.

The el-cheapo generators I refer to usually specify "modified sine wave" output which when looked at on a CRO looks more like a square wave with slightly rounded corners. Some or even most switch mode power supplies can cope quite badly with a wave form that's more square than sine.

Cheers,
Mark F...
VK3ZMF / VK3KW
KX3 with the lot # 1675
KXPA100 # 530
PX3 # 233

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2019 12:35 PM
> To: Mark Forsyth <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-500 with Portable Generator
>
> Mark:
>
> What would be the acceptable distortion limits for good vs. not so good
> inverter generator? My conventional constant speed generator runs about
> 3% THD. I recall the AC line from the utility is about the same.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> On 3/7/2019 7:22 PM, Mark Forsyth wrote:
> > If you're thinking of using a generator at the cheaper end of the scale make
> sure that its output is pure sine wave and NOT modified sine wave.
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Mark F...
> > VK3ZMF / VK3KW
> > KX3 with the lot # 1675
> > KXPA100 # 530
> > PX3 # 233
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [hidden email] <elecraft-
> >> [hidden email]> On Behalf Of Raymond Sills via Elecraft
> >> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2019 7:58 AM
> >> To: [hidden email]
> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-500 with Portable Generator
> >>
> >> Honda generators are usually pretty good.. but nothing is perfect.
> >> Leaking fuel is a big red flag.
> >> There's always that Harbor Freight clone... which ought to do the
> >> job... and presumably is not affected by a fuel leak.
> >> 73 de RayK2ULRKX3 #211
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: John Evans <[hidden email]>
> >> To: elecraft <[hidden email]>
> >> Sent: Thu, Mar 7, 2019 2:44 pm
> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-500 with Portable Generator
> >>
> >> Honda just issued a stop sell order for the 2200 due to some hardware
> issues.
> >>
> >> https://rvdailyreport.com/industry/honda-issues-stop-sell-order-for-
> >> eu2200i-generators/?fbclid=IwAR0e810z_ppbrXdUdY6egI8F-
> >> MvVtSTwZE_cDQq9ILLMEZPUT96P4J8E5_8
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 12:29 PM Bob McGraw K4TAX
> >> <[hidden email]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> The Honda EU2200i will handle the KPA500 quite well and provide
> >>> power for other items. ...
> >>
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Re: KPA-500 with Portable Generator

The KPA500 does quite well with generators, especially the Honda family. These days it is the amplifier of choice for many DXpeditions who’s only power is provided by generators.

Since the KPA500 has a linear supply, it is not troubled as much by modified sine wave generators and investors as those using a switching supply.

73!
Jack, W6FB

> On Mar 7, 2019, at 5:58 PM, Mark Forsyth <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> That'd probably be fine.
>
> The el-cheapo generators I refer to usually specify "modified sine wave" output which when looked at on a CRO looks more like a square wave with slightly rounded corners. Some or even most switch mode power supplies can cope quite badly with a wave form that's more square than sine.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Mark F...
> VK3ZMF / VK3KW
> KX3 with the lot # 1675
> KXPA100 # 530
> PX3 # 233
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2019 12:35 PM
>> To: Mark Forsyth <[hidden email]>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-500 with Portable Generator
>>
>> Mark:
>>
>> What would be the acceptable distortion limits for good vs. not so good
>> inverter generator? My conventional constant speed generator runs about
>> 3% THD. I recall the AC line from the utility is about the same.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Bob, K4TAX
>>
>>
>> On 3/7/2019 7:22 PM, Mark Forsyth wrote:
>>> If you're thinking of using a generator at the cheaper end of the scale make
>> sure that its output is pure sine wave and NOT modified sine wave.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Mark F...
>>> VK3ZMF / VK3KW
>>> KX3 with the lot # 1675
>>> KXPA100 # 530
>>> PX3 # 233
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: [hidden email] <elecraft-
>>>> [hidden email]> On Behalf Of Raymond Sills via Elecraft
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2019 7:58 AM
>>>> To: [hidden email]
>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-500 with Portable Generator
>>>>
>>>> Honda generators are usually pretty good.. but nothing is perfect.
>>>> Leaking fuel is a big red flag.
>>>> There's always that Harbor Freight clone... which ought to do the
>>>> job... and presumably is not affected by a fuel leak.
>>>> 73 de RayK2ULRKX3 #211
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: John Evans <[hidden email]>
>>>> To: elecraft <[hidden email]>
>>>> Sent: Thu, Mar 7, 2019 2:44 pm
>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-500 with Portable Generator
>>>>
>>>> Honda just issued a stop sell order for the 2200 due to some hardware
>> issues.
>>>>
>>>> https://rvdailyreport.com/industry/honda-issues-stop-sell-order-for-
>>>> eu2200i-generators/?fbclid=IwAR0e810z_ppbrXdUdY6egI8F-
>>>> MvVtSTwZE_cDQq9ILLMEZPUT96P4J8E5_8
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 12:29 PM Bob McGraw K4TAX
>>>> <[hidden email]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The Honda EU2200i will handle the KPA500 quite well and provide
>>>>> power for other items. ...
>>>>
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Re: KPA-500 with Portable Generator

While it isn’t troubled by investors, it also rather likes inverters…
Sorry, I got spell-corrected…

73!
Jack, W6FB

> On Mar 7, 2019, at 7:30 PM, Jack Brindle via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> The KPA500 does quite well with generators, especially the Honda family. These days it is the amplifier of choice for many DXpeditions who’s only power is provided by generators.
>
> Since the KPA500 has a linear supply, it is not troubled as much by modified sine wave generators and investors as those using a switching supply.
>
> 73!
> Jack, W6FB
>
>
>> On Mar 7, 2019, at 5:58 PM, Mark Forsyth <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> That'd probably be fine.
>>
>> The el-cheapo generators I refer to usually specify "modified sine wave" output which when looked at on a CRO looks more like a square wave with slightly rounded corners. Some or even most switch mode power supplies can cope quite badly with a wave form that's more square than sine.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Mark F...
>> VK3ZMF / VK3KW
>> KX3 with the lot # 1675
>> KXPA100 # 530
>> PX3 # 233
>>
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <[hidden email]>
>>> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2019 12:35 PM
>>> To: Mark Forsyth <[hidden email]>
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-500 with Portable Generator
>>>
>>> Mark:
>>>
>>> What would be the acceptable distortion limits for good vs. not so good
>>> inverter generator? My conventional constant speed generator runs about
>>> 3% THD. I recall the AC line from the utility is about the same.
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>> Bob, K4TAX
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/7/2019 7:22 PM, Mark Forsyth wrote:
>>>> If you're thinking of using a generator at the cheaper end of the scale make
>>> sure that its output is pure sine wave and NOT modified sine wave.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Mark F...
>>>> VK3ZMF / VK3KW
>>>> KX3 with the lot # 1675
>>>> KXPA100 # 530
>>>> PX3 # 233
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: [hidden email] <elecraft-
>>>>> [hidden email]> On Behalf Of Raymond Sills via Elecraft
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2019 7:58 AM
>>>>> To: [hidden email]
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-500 with Portable Generator
>>>>>
>>>>> Honda generators are usually pretty good.. but nothing is perfect.
>>>>> Leaking fuel is a big red flag.
>>>>> There's always that Harbor Freight clone... which ought to do the
>>>>> job... and presumably is not affected by a fuel leak.
>>>>> 73 de RayK2ULRKX3 #211
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: John Evans <[hidden email]>
>>>>> To: elecraft <[hidden email]>
>>>>> Sent: Thu, Mar 7, 2019 2:44 pm
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-500 with Portable Generator
>>>>>
>>>>> Honda just issued a stop sell order for the 2200 due to some hardware
>>> issues.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://rvdailyreport.com/industry/honda-issues-stop-sell-order-for-
>>>>> eu2200i-generators/?fbclid=IwAR0e810z_ppbrXdUdY6egI8F-
>>>>> MvVtSTwZE_cDQq9ILLMEZPUT96P4J8E5_8
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 12:29 PM Bob McGraw K4TAX
>>>>> <[hidden email]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The Honda EU2200i will handle the KPA500 quite well and provide
>>>>>> power for other items. ...
>>>>>
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Edward R Cole

Re: KPA-500 with Portable Generator

In reply to this post by Tom Zeltwanger

I bought the 2200i twins for running >4000w for my RV last spring, so
less than a year old. Ended up not running them so only test-run by
the selling dealer before I took delivery. Guess I will check the
SN's to see if they are on the recall. Presently stored in the RV
which is surrounded by waist-high snow so that will have wait a few
more months. I might check with the dealer in meantime as he
probably recorded the SN in the sale.

If my generators were part of the recall, glad I did not fuel or run
them. We logged 11K miles last summer with them in the storage area.

I have several Honda power tools which I really like the
quality. Always start easy and run well. House has the EU6500i for
standby power. Runs everything in the house including the well and
the ham shack. Bands are amazingly quiet when the neighborhood is
without commercial power.

Thanks for the heads-up on the recall.

73, Ed - KL7UW

From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <[hidden email]>
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-500 with Portable Generator
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Correct.? I was just speaking with the Sales person at Hondashop.com.?
The units are on a recall / hold.? They have quite a back order list.?
Their price is $899.00 delivered in USA.? CA residents pay 7.375 tax.?
They do not have the EU2000i as it is discontinued.

73

Bob, K4TAX

73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
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Jim Brown-10

Re: KPA-500 with Portable Generator

On 3/8/2019 9:04 AM, Edward R Cole wrote:
> House has the EU6500i for standby power. Runs everything in the house
> including the well and the ham shack. Bands are amazingly quiet when
> the neighborhood is without commercial power.

My 6500 is NOT RF quiet. I don't usually run the radios when it's
running, but am building a common mode choke to put on it.

73, Jim K9YC

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