KPA-800 any news at Dayton?

[Roger Dallimore]

Any news from Dayton about the long awaited amps 800/1500?

I'm pleased to hear about the K144XV though,  just what I need.

73
Roger  MW0IDX


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[W0FK]

Not in the cards I'm afraid. An amp may be developed someday, but the market will need to support it, and it will have to be unique from those available from other manufacturers. Disappointing, but understandable. Given the cost of R&D, diversion from other products, capital for manufacturing, sales and other overhead costs, etc., if the market is small it may not be profitable to produce. I don't anticipate Elecraft rolling one out for some time, if ever.

73,

Lou, W0FK

Roger Dallimore wrote

Any news from Dayton about the long awaited amps 800/1500?

I'm pleased to hear about the K144XV though,  just what I need.

73
Roger  MW0IDX


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[Bob Cunnings NW8L]

The funny thing is that an amp *was* developed, shown at Visalia, and
announced on this list:

http://www.mail-archive.com/elecraft@.../msg21610.html

The"*Full Break-In Silent Diode T/R*" feature listed was very
appealing to me. However, your conclusion may well be correct.

Bob NW8L

On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 9:02 PM, W0FK <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Not in the cards I'm afraid. An amp may be developed someday, but the market
> will need to support it, and it will have to be unique from those available
> from other manufacturers. Disappointing, but understandable. Given the cost
> of R&D, diversion from other products, capital for manufacturing, sales and
> other overhead costs, etc., if the market is small it may not be profitable
> to produce. I don't anticipate Elecraft rolling one out for some time, if
> ever.
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[David Gilbert]

That's about what I expected.  I've been trying to figure out why some
folks seem so keen on an Elecraft amplifier ... it just didn't make a
lot of sense to me.  Given the already available amps out there from
reputable manufacturers (Acom, THP, etc), I'd be surprised if Elecraft
would be able to offer one at a compelling enough price/performance
point to generate sufficient sales for a decent return on their
investment.  Not everyone is going to buy another amp just to have a
matching exterior.

73,
Dave   AB7E



W0FK wrote:

> Not in the cards I'm afraid. An amp may be developed someday, but the market
> will need to support it, and it will have to be unique from those available
> from other manufacturers. Disappointing, but understandable. Given the cost
> of R&D, diversion from other products, capital for manufacturing, sales and
> other overhead costs, etc., if the market is small it may not be profitable
> to produce. I don't anticipate Elecraft rolling one out for some time, if
> ever.
>
> 73,
>
> Lou, W0FK
>
>
> Roger Dallimore wrote:
>  
>> Any news from Dayton about the long awaited amps 800/1500?
>>
>> I'm pleased to hear about the K144XV though,  just what I need.
>>
>> 73
>> Roger  MW0IDX
>>
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[dj7mgq]

To tell you the truth I am not surprised, especially because Eric did  
say ahead of Dayton that the amps were not coming any time soon. That  
is not to say that I am not disappointed, because I have been waiting.  
There are other good amps on the market, but the integration with the  
K2/K3 sounded like it was going to be very advanced and the built in  
"tuner" in combination with solid state would have been very nice  
indeed. I'll now have to raid my "amplifier upgrade piggy bank" for  
some other manufacturer.

I do understand why Elecraft has (probably) decided to end the QRO  
amplifier project. It would have been difficult breaking into a small  
market with an expensive high end product and not loose money. And  
Elecraft is a fairly small company with relatively large number of  
products, so overreaching could also harm the stuff they already have,  
e.g. quality control.

vy 73 de toby
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[Doug Faunt N6TQS [phone]]

   Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 19:41:47 +0200
   From: [hidden email]

   I do understand why Elecraft has (probably) decided to end the QRO  
   amplifier project. It would have been difficult breaking into a small  
   market with an expensive high end product and not loose money. And  
   Elecraft is a fairly small company with relatively large number of  
   products, so overreaching could also harm the stuff they already have,  
   e.g. quality control.

OTOH, the better they do, the more they'll be able to put into new
products, so buy more Elecraft and that'll mena the amp will be more
likely to come along soon.

BTW, how many people noted Lyle's mention of the KXV3A allowing
connections of intenal options, "such as the KXV144"- dare we hope for
432 and maybe even full-duplex?

Also, if people want really nice knobs for their K3, they might want
to consider "3D printing" such as described here:
http://www.bathsheba.com/sculpt/process/

73, doug
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[Bill Coleman-2]

On May 17, 2009, at 1:41 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

> I do understand why Elecraft has (probably) decided to end the QRO
> amplifier project.


I haven't seen any indication that they have decided to end the  
amplifier projects. The amps likely would have been out but for the  
regulation changes as the RoHS changes.

The biggest obstacle has probably been the overwhelming success of the  
K3. Elecraft had been in a backorder situation on that one product for  
more than a year. The K3 has clearly absorbed all of the creative  
energy of Elecraft for the last couple of years. That may not continue  
forever -- so the amps may see the light of day, as well as other  
projects.

Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASEL        Mail: [hidden email]
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[hf4me]

I like mine jsut fine but if you like aluminum - they look nice too -

First page on Google search - I'm sure there are a lot available -

http://www.surplussales.com/ShaftHardware/Knobs-9.html
 3/4 and 15/16 aluminum.  6mm bores - are elecraft 1/4"?  Close and could be
drilled out on a drill press if they are too tight.

73, de Jim KG0KP

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From: "Doug Faunt N6TQS [phone]" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-800 any news at Dayton?- and knobs

>   Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 19:41:47 +0200
>   From: [hidden email]
>
>   I do understand why Elecraft has (probably) decided to end the QRO
>   amplifier project. It would have been difficult breaking into a small
>   market with an expensive high end product and not loose money. And
>   Elecraft is a fairly small company with relatively large number of
>   products, so overreaching could also harm the stuff they already have,
>   e.g. quality control.
>
> OTOH, the better they do, the more they'll be able to put into new
> products, so buy more Elecraft and that'll mena the amp will be more
> likely to come along soon.
>
> BTW, how many people noted Lyle's mention of the KXV3A allowing
> connections of intenal options, "such as the KXV144"- dare we hope for
> 432 and maybe even full-duplex?
>
> Also, if people want really nice knobs for their K3, they might want
> to consider "3D printing" such as described here:
> http://www.bathsheba.com/sculpt/process/
>
> 73, doug
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[dj7mgq]

Hi Bill,

> I haven't seen any indication that they have decided to end the
> amplifier projects. The amps likely would have been out but for the
> regulation changes as the RoHS changes.

Yes I know about the almost finished state before FCC regulations  
changed and RoHS was introduced. And if this had not happened, they  
may well have seen the light of day. To this we can agree.

However based on the last two years of K3 craziness, the panadapter  
development work and so on, as well as my reading between the lines  
(Aptosology is a bit like Kremlinology back in the 70s) of public and  
private mails, I get the gut feeling that the KPA800 & KPA1500 amps in  
their *current* state won't come to market. I would not be surprised  
if Elecraft in the medium to distant future has reworked/redesigned  
QRO amplifiers in their product range.

I suppose your guess is as good or as bad as mine.

vy 73 de toby


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[Steve Ellington]

Elecraft is working on a firmware update which will enable the K3's 800w or
1500w feature. I believe some minor changes to the DC power input will be
required however, cooling is already adaquate. No external hardware will be
necessary and the update is free. The firmware update for the panadapter
activation has been the hold up. It's been a well guarded secret but
information is leaking about how the K3's current display is capable of
displaying any portion of a given band once the new FW is installed. The
current default display will be minimized to one corner of the screen and
the remaining area will become the scope. One can toggle between display
modes by programing one of the PF keys and shortly thereafter we can expect
the multicolor display firmware update.

Larson E. Rapp
Dewey Cheatham and Howe LLP.
RG8U


----- Original Message -----
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Cc: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-800 any news at Dayton?

> Hi Bill,
>
>> I haven't seen any indication that they have decided to end the
>> amplifier projects. The amps likely would have been out but for the
>> regulation changes as the RoHS changes.
>
> Yes I know about the almost finished state before FCC regulations
> changed and RoHS was introduced. And if this had not happened, they
> may well have seen the light of day. To this we can agree.
>
> However based on the last two years of K3 craziness, the panadapter
> development work and so on, as well as my reading between the lines
> (Aptosology is a bit like Kremlinology back in the 70s) of public and
> private mails, I get the gut feeling that the KPA800 & KPA1500 amps in
> their *current* state won't come to market. I would not be surprised
> if Elecraft in the medium to distant future has reworked/redesigned
> QRO amplifiers in their product range.
>
> I suppose your guess is as good or as bad as mine.
>
> vy 73 de toby
>
>
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[westalto]

Larson..so glad to hear from you again, its been such a long time!

I really thought it unfair that you pulled so much prison time for that

stock you sold in your underground antenna scheme.



Anyway. hope to hear more from you.



73,

Doug

W6JD


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Cc: [hidden email]
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 2:00:41 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-800 any news at Dayton?

Elecraft is working on a firmware update which will enable the K3's 800w or
1500w feature. I believe some minor changes to the DC power input will be
required however, cooling is already adaquate. No external hardware will be
necessary and the update is free. The firmware update for the panadapter
activation has been the hold up. It's been a well guarded secret but
information is leaking about how the K3's current display is capable of
displaying any portion of a given band once the new FW is installed. The
current default display will be minimized to one corner of the screen and
the remaining area will become the scope. One can toggle between display
modes by programing one of the PF keys and shortly thereafter we can expect
the multicolor display firmware update.

Larson E. Rapp
Dewey Cheatham and Howe LLP.
RG8U


----- Original Message -----
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Cc: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-800 any news at Dayton?

> Hi Bill,
>
>> I haven't seen any indication that they have decided to end the
>> amplifier projects. The amps likely would have been out but for the
>> regulation changes as the RoHS changes.
>
> Yes I know about the almost finished state before FCC regulations
> changed and RoHS was introduced. And if this had not happened, they
> may well have seen the light of day. To this we can agree.
>
> However based on the last two years of K3 craziness, the panadapter
> development work and so on, as well as my reading between the lines
> (Aptosology is a bit like Kremlinology back in the 70s) of public and
> private mails, I get the gut feeling that the KPA800 & KPA1500 amps in
> their *current* state won't come to market. I would not be surprised
> if Elecraft in the medium to distant future has reworked/redesigned
> QRO amplifiers in their product range.
>
> I suppose your guess is as good or as bad as mine.
>
> vy 73 de toby
>
>
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[wayne burdick]

Yes, we're still working on amplifiers. The end result may not be what
anyone expects, but it'll definitely be unique.

Watch for possible developments late this year.

73,
Wayne


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[Joe Planisky]

Hmmmmm ... unexpected and unique ... I've got it:  A "trail friendly"  
kilowatt ... ;-)

73
--
Joe KB8AP

On May 18, 2009, at 11:22 AM, wayne burdick wrote:

> Yes, we're still working on amplifiers. The end result may not be what
> anyone expects, but it'll definitely be unique.
>
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Solar powered...

Gary, VE1RGB

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Sent: May 18, 2009 4:08 PM
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-800 any news at Dayton?

Hmmmmm ... unexpected and unique ... I've got it:  A "trail friendly"  
kilowatt ... ;-)

73
--
Joe KB8AP

On May 18, 2009, at 11:22 AM, wayne burdick wrote:

> Yes, we're still working on amplifiers. The end result may not be what
> anyone expects, but it'll definitely be unique.
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[WILLIS COOKE]

Are you suggesting that Elecraft come out with a line of goat mounted solar panels to power this amp?

Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
K5EWJ


--- On Mon, 5/18/09, Gary, VE1RGB <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: Gary, VE1RGB <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-800 any news at Dayton?
> To: "'elecraft reflector'" <[hidden email]>
> Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 12:25 PM
> Solar powered...
>
> Gary, VE1RGB
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Joe
> Planisky
> Sent: May 18, 2009 4:08 PM
> To: elecraft reflector
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-800 any news at Dayton?
>
> Hmmmmm ... unexpected and unique ... I've got it:  A
> "trail friendly"  
> kilowatt ... ;-)
>
> 73
> --
> Joe KB8AP
>
> On May 18, 2009, at 11:22 AM, wayne burdick wrote:
>
> > Yes, we're still working on amplifiers. The end
> result may not be what
> > anyone expects, but it'll definitely be unique.
> >
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>Sent: May 18, 2009 2:22 PM
>To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-800 any news at Dayton?
>
>Yes, we're still working on amplifiers. The end result may not be what
>anyone expects, but it'll definitely be unique.
>
>Watch for possible developments late this year.
>
>73,
>Wayne

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[Milt -- N5IA]

Nope.  Llamas.  Higher off the ground for fording streams, no horns, and
they smell just a bit better than goats.  BUT, they do have a propensity to
spit.  Not anything is perfect!!!!!!!!!!

Mis dos centavos, de Milt, N5IA

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<[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-800 any news at Dayton?

>
> Are you suggesting that Elecraft come out with a line of goat mounted
> solar panels to power this amp?
>
> Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
> K5EWJ
>
>
> --- On Mon, 5/18/09, Gary, VE1RGB <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> From: Gary, VE1RGB <[hidden email]>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-800 any news at Dayton?
>> To: "'elecraft reflector'" <[hidden email]>
>> Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 12:25 PM
>> Solar powered...
>>
>> Gary, VE1RGB
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email]
>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Joe
>> Planisky
>> Sent: May 18, 2009 4:08 PM
>> To: elecraft reflector
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-800 any news at Dayton?
>>
>> Hmmmmm ... unexpected and unique ... I've got it:  A
>> "trail friendly"
>> kilowatt ... ;-)
>>
>> 73
>> --
>> Joe KB8AP
>>
>> On May 18, 2009, at 11:22 AM, wayne burdick wrote:
>>
>> > Yes, we're still working on amplifiers. The end
>> result may not be what
>> > anyone expects, but it'll definitely be unique.
>> >
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[n9adg]

Speculation: Elecraft does great 'smart' things. How about an amp that takes advantage of a CW-preferring user base; tightly integrated with the K3; takes it to the next level:
Class E amp, initially supporting only CW, but over time and with some firmware upgrades, and with all of the DSP capability in the K3 with appropriate signaling to the amp, could do SSB and other modes (use K3 dsp to do part of the EER). Smart tuning of the output network for best efficiency, of course, making it plug and play.

-Brian N9ADG


--- On Mon, 5/18/09, wayne burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: wayne burdick <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-800 any news at Dayton?
To: "Elecraft Reflector" <[hidden email]>
Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 11:22 AM

Yes, we're still working on amplifiers. The end result may not be what
anyone expects, but it'll definitely be unique.

Watch for possible developments late this year.

73,
Wayne


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[dj7mgq]

Hi Wayne,

 > Yes, we're still working on amplifiers.

Really, truly, seriously???

MY aptosology-analyzer must be in dire need of recalibration.


 > The end result may not be what anyone expects, but
 > it'll definitely be unique.

You can be such a tease at times. ;-)


 > Watch for possible developments late this year.

You may have given my power-amplifier-piggy-bank as reprieve to
somewhere around late November (my birthday, hint, hint, nudge, nudge).


vy 73 de toby


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[py5eg]

Hi Folks:
 
During a upgrade procedure of one of my K3 to version 3.11 a malfunction has occurred
 
1) A message asking to turn the K3 of and on again to continue the upgrade
2) I tried to turn of and didn´t succeed
3) I turned the power supply off and turned on again,and turned the K3 on
4) The process crushed and with the display was off  with  "MCU LD"
5) The TX led blinking and no way to turn off
 
What should I do?
 
Atilano
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