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KPA500 going into standby

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In working the FQP this weekend, my KPA500 went into Standby on its own a  
few times when it was transmitting.  I believe it only happened when I was  
on 10m.  
 
Here were the conditions:
Transceiver: TS480
Power: appx 400 watts
Temp: 54C
Current: 10 amps during tx
 
HV: 61 Volts
VSWR: 1.4:1
Antenna: 10m monoband yagi
 
What would be a likely cause for this?
 
73, George, K5KG
 
George  Wagner, K5KG
Sarasota, FL  34242
941-400-1960
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Re: KPA500 going into standby

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>>> Current: 10 amps during tx  <<<
Find the reason why the Amp is only getting 10 Amps.
((((73)))) Milverton / W9MMS.


      From: George via Elecraft <[hidden email]>
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 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 going into standby
   
In working the FQP this weekend, my KPA500 went into Standby on its own a 
few times when it was transmitting.  I believe it only happened when I was 
on 10m. 
 
Here were the conditions:
Transceiver: TS480
Power: appx 400 watts
Temp: 54C
Current: 10 amps during tx
 
HV: 61 Volts
VSWR: 1.4:1
Antenna: 10m monoband yagi
 
What would be a likely cause for this?
 
73, George, K5KG
 
George  Wagner, K5KG
Sarasota, FL  34242
941-400-1960
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Re: KPA500 going into standby

Jack Brindle-2
I think you will find that 10 amps is about right for 400 watts. The KPA has incredibly good efficiency,
upwards of 60% or so, which supports the value.

- Jack B, W6FB

> On Apr 27, 2015, at 1:58 PM, Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>>>> Current: 10 amps during tx  <<<
> Find the reason why the Amp is only getting 10 Amps.
> ((((73)))) Milverton / W9MMS.
>
>
>      From: George via Elecraft <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 3:41 PM
> Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 going into standby
>
> In working the FQP this weekend, my KPA500 went into Standby on its own a  
> few times when it was transmitting.  I believe it only happened when I was  
> on 10m.  
>
> Here were the conditions:
> Transceiver: TS480
> Power: appx 400 watts
> Temp: 54C
> Current: 10 amps during tx
>
> HV: 61 Volts
> VSWR: 1.4:1
> Antenna: 10m monoband yagi
>
> What would be a likely cause for this?
>
> 73, George, K5KG
>
> George  Wagner, K5KG
> Sarasota, FL  34242
> 941-400-1960
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Re: KPA500 going into standby

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400 WATTS Divided by 10 Amps input current?!!!!
The maths doesn't compute.

((((73)))) Milverton.

      From: Jack Brindle <[hidden email]>
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I think you will find that 10 amps is about right for 400 watts. The KPA has incredibly good efficiency,
upwards of 60% or so, which supports the value.

- Jack B, W6FB

> On Apr 27, 2015, at 1:58 PM, Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>>>> Current: 10 amps during tx  <<<
> Find the reason why the Amp is only getting 10 Amps.
> ((((73)))) Milverton / W9MMS.
>
>
>      From: George via Elecraft <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 3:41 PM
> Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 going into standby
>
> In working the FQP this weekend, my KPA500 went into Standby on its own a 
> few times when it was transmitting.  I believe it only happened when I was 
> on 10m. 
>
> Here were the conditions:
> Transceiver: TS480
> Power: appx 400 watts
> Temp: 54C
> Current: 10 amps during tx
>
> HV: 61 Volts
> VSWR: 1.4:1
> Antenna: 10m monoband yagi
>
> What would be a likely cause for this?
>
> 73, George, K5KG
>
> George  Wagner, K5KG
> Sarasota, FL  34242
> 941-400-1960
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Re: KPA500 going into standby

Ross Primrose
Last I checked, 10A at 120V was 1200W....

73, Ross N4RP

On 4/27/2015 5:41 PM, Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft wrote:

> 400 WATTS Divided by 10 Amps input current?!!!!
> The maths doesn't compute.
>
> ((((73)))) Milverton.
>
>        From: Jack Brindle <[hidden email]>
>   To: [hidden email]
> Cc: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
>   Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 4:26 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 going into standby
>    
> I think you will find that 10 amps is about right for 400 watts. The KPA has incredibly good efficiency,
> upwards of 60% or so, which supports the value.
>
> - Jack B, W6FB
>
>> On Apr 27, 2015, at 1:58 PM, Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Current: 10 amps during tx  <<<
>> Find the reason why the Amp is only getting 10 Amps.
>> ((((73)))) Milverton / W9MMS.
>>
>>
>>        From: George via Elecraft <[hidden email]>
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 3:41 PM
>> Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 going into standby
>>
>> In working the FQP this weekend, my KPA500 went into Standby on its own a
>> few times when it was transmitting.  I believe it only happened when I was
>> on 10m.
>>
>> Here were the conditions:
>> Transceiver: TS480
>> Power: appx 400 watts
>> Temp: 54C
>> Current: 10 amps during tx
>>
>> HV: 61 Volts
>> VSWR: 1.4:1
>> Antenna: 10m monoband yagi
>>
>> What would be a likely cause for this?
>>
>> 73, George, K5KG
>>
>> George  Wagner, K5KG
>> Sarasota, FL  34242
>> 941-400-1960
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Re: KPA500 going into standby

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Ooops! My bad.
My calculation was at 12v DC. My mind went on vacation.
My humble Apology. 
((((73)))) Milverton.



     From: Ross Primrose <[hidden email]>
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Cc: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
 Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 4:46 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 going into standby
   
Last I checked, 10A at 120V was 1200W....

73, Ross N4RP

On 4/27/2015 5:41 PM, Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft wrote:

> 400 WATTS Divided by 10 Amps input current?!!!!
> The maths doesn't compute.
>
> ((((73)))) Milverton.
>
>        From: Jack Brindle <[hidden email]>
>  To: [hidden email]
> Cc: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
>  Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 4:26 PM
>  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 going into standby
>   
> I think you will find that 10 amps is about right for 400 watts. The KPA has incredibly good efficiency,
> upwards of 60% or so, which supports the value.
>
> - Jack B, W6FB
>
>> On Apr 27, 2015, at 1:58 PM, Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Current: 10 amps during tx  <<<
>> Find the reason why the Amp is only getting 10 Amps.
>> ((((73)))) Milverton / W9MMS.
>>
>>
>>        From: George via Elecraft <[hidden email]>
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 3:41 PM
>> Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 going into standby
>>
>> In working the FQP this weekend, my KPA500 went into Standby on its own a
>> few times when it was transmitting.  I believe it only happened when I was
>> on 10m.
>>
>> Here were the conditions:
>> Transceiver: TS480
>> Power: appx 400 watts
>> Temp: 54C
>> Current: 10 amps during tx
>>
>> HV: 61 Volts
>> VSWR: 1.4:1
>> Antenna: 10m monoband yagi
>>
>> What would be a likely cause for this?
>>
>> 73, George, K5KG
>>
>> George  Wagner, K5KG
>> Sarasota, FL  34242
>> 941-400-1960
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Re: KPA500 going into standby

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Except that the output transistors run on 70 volts... 10 amps x 70 volts
= 700 watts input, no?

73,
Scott, N9AA


On 4/27/15 5:46 PM, Ross Primrose wrote:

> Last I checked, 10A at 120V was 1200W....
>
> 73, Ross N4RP
>
> On 4/27/2015 5:41 PM, Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft wrote:
>> 400 WATTS Divided by 10 Amps input current?!!!!
>> The maths doesn't compute.
>>
>> ((((73)))) Milverton.
>>
>>        From: Jack Brindle <[hidden email]>
>>   To: [hidden email]
>> Cc: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
>>   Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 4:26 PM
>>   Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 going into standby
>>     I think you will find that 10 amps is about right for 400 watts.
>> The KPA has incredibly good efficiency,
>> upwards of 60% or so, which supports the value.
>>
>> - Jack B, W6FB
>>

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Re: KPA500 going into standby

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>>> HV: 61 Volts <<<

George, question, are you feeding the Amp 61 volts at 10 amps?
I'm thinking the TS 480 requires DC Voltage at min of 18 to 22 Amps.Please explain " HV: 61 Volts "

((((73)))) Milverton / W9mms.

      From: George via Elecraft <[hidden email]>
 To: [hidden email]
 Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 3:41 PM
 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 going into standby
   
In working the FQP this weekend, my KPA500 went into Standby on its own a 
few times when it was transmitting.  I believe it only happened when I was 
on 10m. 
 
Here were the conditions:
Transceiver: TS480
Power: appx 400 watts
Temp: 54C
Current: 10 amps during tx
 
HV: 61 Volts
VSWR: 1.4:1
Antenna: 10m monoband yagi
 
What would be a likely cause for this?
 
73, George, K5KG
 
George  Wagner, K5KG
Sarasota, FL  34242
941-400-1960
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Re: KPA500 going into standby

Rick WA6NHC
George,

Did you look at the fault list stored in the KPA500?  You'll need the
utility program to do that.

The KPA500 goes into standby on an error condition (SWR too high etc),
so some info may  be there for the seekers...  A temporary failure
(flexing antenna contacts in the wind, a bird landing in the wrong spot
on the antenna) would trip the protection algorithm.

Rick nhc

On 4/27/2015 3:04 PM, Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft wrote:
> From: George via Elecraft <[hidden email]> To:
> [hidden email] Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 3:41 PM Subject:
> [Elecraft] KPA500 going into standby In working the FQP this weekend,
> my KPA500 went into Standby on its own a  few times when it was
> transmitting.  I believe it only happened when I was  on 10m.  Here
> were the conditions: Transceiver: TS480 Power: appx 400 watts Temp:
> 54C Current: 10 amps during tx HV: 61 Volts VSWR: 1.4:1 Antenna: 10m
> monoband yagi What would be a likely cause for this? 73, George, K5KG
> George  Wagner, K5KG Sarasota, FL  34242 941-400-1960

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Re: KPA500 going into standby

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The HV at 61 is the high voltage reading during transmit on the  KPA500's
readout.
 
It has nothing to do with the 13.8 DC voltage feeding the TS480.
 
George  Wagner, K5KG
Sarasota, FL 34242
941-400-1960  

 
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>>> HV: 61 Volts  <<<



George, question, are you  feeding the Amp 61 volts at 10 amps?

I'm thinking the TS 480  requires DC Voltage at min of 18 to 22 Amps.
Please explain " HV: 61  Volts "



((((73)))) Milverton /  W9mms.



 
 
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In working  the FQP this weekend, my KPA500 went into Standby on its own a  
few  times when it was transmitting.  I believe it only happened when I  
was  
on 10m.  

Here were the conditions:
Transceiver:  TS480
Power: appx 400 watts
Temp: 54C
Current: 10 amps during  tx

HV: 61 Volts
VSWR: 1.4:1
Antenna: 10m monoband  yagi

What would be a likely cause for this?

73, George,  K5KG

George  Wagner, K5KG
Sarasota, FL   34242
941-400-1960
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Re: KPA500 going into standby

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it would be 10 amps off the 70 v supply


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 Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 5:46 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 going into standby
   
Last I checked, 10A at 120V was 1200W....

73, Ross N4RP

On 4/27/2015 5:41 PM, Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft wrote:

> 400 WATTS Divided by 10 Amps input current?!!!!
> The maths doesn't compute.
>
> ((((73)))) Milverton.
>
>        From: Jack Brindle <[hidden email]>
>  To: [hidden email]
> Cc: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
>  Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 4:26 PM
>  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 going into standby
>   
> I think you will find that 10 amps is about right for 400 watts. The KPA has incredibly good efficiency,
> upwards of 60% or so, which supports the value.
>
> - Jack B, W6FB
>
>> On Apr 27, 2015, at 1:58 PM, Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Current: 10 amps during tx  <<<
>> Find the reason why the Amp is only getting 10 Amps.
>> ((((73)))) Milverton / W9MMS.
>>
>>
>>        From: George via Elecraft <[hidden email]>
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 3:41 PM
>> Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 going into standby
>>
>> In working the FQP this weekend, my KPA500 went into Standby on its own a
>> few times when it was transmitting.  I believe it only happened when I was
>> on 10m.
>>
>> Here were the conditions:
>> Transceiver: TS480
>> Power: appx 400 watts
>> Temp: 54C
>> Current: 10 amps during tx
>>
>> HV: 61 Volts
>> VSWR: 1.4:1
>> Antenna: 10m monoband yagi
>>
>> What would be a likely cause for this?
>>
>> 73, George, K5KG
>>
>> George  Wagner, K5KG
>> Sarasota, FL  34242
>> 941-400-1960
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Re: KPA500 going into standby

Jack Brindle-2
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The original poster indicated that his KPA500 was reporting 10 amps at 61 volts. That gives a calculation of 610 watts input power.
The amp was indicating 400 watts out, which means an efficiency of 65.6%, which is within the realm of believability for the KPA500.

Not bad for our cute amplifier, eh?

- Jack,  W6FB


> On Apr 27, 2015, at 2:54 PM, Scott Manthe <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Except that the output transistors run on 70 volts... 10 amps x 70 volts = 700 watts input, no?
>
> 73,
> Scott, N9AA
>
>
> On 4/27/15 5:46 PM, Ross Primrose wrote:
>> Last I checked, 10A at 120V was 1200W....
>>
>> 73, Ross N4RP
>>
>> On 4/27/2015 5:41 PM, Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft wrote:
>>> 400 WATTS Divided by 10 Amps input current?!!!!
>>> The maths doesn't compute.
>>>
>>> ((((73)))) Milverton.
>>>
>>>       From: Jack Brindle <[hidden email]>
>>>  To: [hidden email]
>>> Cc: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
>>>  Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 4:26 PM
>>>  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 going into standby
>>>    I think you will find that 10 amps is about right for 400 watts. The KPA has incredibly good efficiency,
>>> upwards of 60% or so, which supports the value.
>>>
>>> - Jack B, W6FB
>>>
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Re: KPA500 going into standby

Gary Gregory-2
I humbly suggest using the kpa utility and check the last few faults.
I suspect a spike in the ts-480 tx, a not uncommon occurrance from
experience using one here.
73

Gary
Vk1ZZ
K3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT
On 28/04/2015 10:23 AM, "Jack Brindle" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> The original poster indicated that his KPA500 was reporting 10 amps at 61
> volts. That gives a calculation of 610 watts input power.
> The amp was indicating 400 watts out, which means an efficiency of 65.6%,
> which is within the realm of believability for the KPA500.
>
> Not bad for our cute amplifier, eh?
>
> - Jack,  W6FB
>
>
> > On Apr 27, 2015, at 2:54 PM, Scott Manthe <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Except that the output transistors run on 70 volts... 10 amps x 70 volts
> = 700 watts input, no?
> >
> > 73,
> > Scott, N9AA
> >
> >
> > On 4/27/15 5:46 PM, Ross Primrose wrote:
> >> Last I checked, 10A at 120V was 1200W....
> >>
> >> 73, Ross N4RP
> >>
> >> On 4/27/2015 5:41 PM, Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft wrote:
> >>> 400 WATTS Divided by 10 Amps input current?!!!!
> >>> The maths doesn't compute.
> >>>
> >>> ((((73)))) Milverton.
> >>>
> >>>       From: Jack Brindle <[hidden email]>
> >>>  To: [hidden email]
> >>> Cc: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
> >>>  Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 4:26 PM
> >>>  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 going into standby
> >>>    I think you will find that 10 amps is about right for 400 watts.
> The KPA has incredibly good efficiency,
> >>> upwards of 60% or so, which supports the value.
> >>>
> >>> - Jack B, W6FB
> >>>
> >
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