KPA800 @ $2.8k: count me in/out
Locked
12
12
 
|
Anything over $1500/US and I'm afraid I will have to count myself out.
Wonder what others think? Bill K3UJ _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: KPA800 @ $2.8k: count me in/out
|
|
On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 [hidden email] wrote:
> Anything over $1500/US and I'm afraid I will have to count myself out. > Wonder what others think? I've priced the transistors and I've priced power supplies. I don't think this amp will be cheap, which is why I keep looking for a used SB220. -- Hisashi T Fujinaka - [hidden email] BSEE(6/86) + BSChem(3/95) + BAEnglish(8/95) + MSCS(8/03) + $2.50 = latte _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: KPA800 @ $2.8k: count me in/out
|
|
I thought this amp was going to be spendy. You are near the range where
my estimates begin. I figured on $3k+ if not more. The legal limit linear may be over $5k so I would have to mortgage the house! Kevin. KD5ONS On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 11:50:12 -0700 (PDT), Hisashi T Fujinaka <[hidden email]> wrote: > On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 [hidden email] wrote: > >> Anything over $1500/US and I'm afraid I will have to count myself out. >> Wonder what others think? > > I've priced the transistors and I've priced power supplies. I don't > think this amp will be cheap, which is why I keep looking for a used > SB220. > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 4/21/2005 _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
|
|
In reply to this post by Able2fly
Well, it all depends what you get. Without seeing it and/or seeing the specs
it is somewhat difficult to make a statement about the amp. If it's auto everything in a tiny lightweight package with 1500W out on SSB and CW I might start drooling even before I get to Dayton. Does it cover 160-10 or 160-6M? Will it keep my coffee hot if I put the cup on the heat sink? Does it have a remote control head so I can put the amp in the basement and not have the heat and noise of an amp in the shack (One nice advantage of my 2000A)? How is the QSK in it? What power out with continuous modes? Does it switch bands automatically when changing bands with your transceiver, whether a K2 or other brand without having to send a dit? What kind of SWR will it handle? So, it sure seems premature to make a decision on the amp. That's what I think. N2TK, Tony -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]On Behalf Of [hidden email] Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 2:41 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: [Elecraft] KPA800 @ $2.8k: count me in/out Anything over $1500/US and I'm afraid I will have to count myself out. Wonder what others think? Bill K3UJ _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
|
|
In reply to this post by Able2fly
[hidden email] wrote:
> Anything over $1500/US and I'm afraid I will have to count myself out. > Wonder what others think? You need to consider what it is competing with. Sure you can get an SB220 for about $450 -- but this amp: 1) Is fully automatically tuned and bandswitched. It's able to get band info from Yaesu, Kenwood, Icom, and Elecraft (K2) exciters as well as determine frequency with an internal counter; 2) Has silent full QSK; 3) Weighs only 16 lb; 4) Includes an autotuner with memories; 5) Is instant-on; 6) Is overdesigned and Elecraft quality; 7) May include the 6 meter band. 8) Is all solid-state with appropriate protective circuitry. Yaesu has an amplifier which almost meets these specs and lists for $3995. -- 73, Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
|
|
Vic Rosenthal wrote:
> 3) Weighs only 16 lb; Typo, that should be 36 lbs. Sorry, too good to be true! -- 73, Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
RE: KPA800 @ $2.8k: count me in/out
|
|
In reply to this post by Kevin Rock
>> Anything over $1500/US and I'm afraid I will have to count myself out.
>> Wonder what others think? My other hobby is flying my Beech Baron light twin airplane. The numbers you guys are tossing around sound like cheap entertainment by comparison. :-) Craig _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: KPA800 @ $2.8k: count me in/out
|
|
In reply to this post by Able2fly
I don't think the Elecraft amp is targetting the budget end of the
market. You can't do that with a solid state amp - tubes are still a decidedly cheaper way to go high power. This amp is really two separate products - a very light, yet high quality expedition amp and a state-of-the-art, full power, fully automated home station amp capable of "SO2R1A." (That's running two transceivers with a single, time-shared amp.) I believe it will be competing initially in a field of one in both categories. There are some lightweight amps out htere but they have awful reputations for reliability. And I know of nothing yet that has the bandswitching speed and flexibility to support SO2R with one amp. I don't know what the price will be, but you will have to divide it by two to figure the impact on a contester building an SO2R station. /Rick N6XI On 4/25/05, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote: > Anything over $1500/US and I'm afraid I will have to count myself out. > Wonder what others think? _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: KPA800 @ $2.8k: count me in/out
|
|
Whatever the price .... makes me glad I'm QRP !!!! I couldn't afford it
at half or quarter the price! Hi! But for those in the need of such an item; I would suggest that if you have or need to buy one - Elecraft is definitely the way to go. That all said, I am saving to purchase the KPA100 someday. 73 de Larry W2LJ _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
|
|
In reply to this post by Able2fly
That's just about the ceiling I had in mind as well. And I would
think that, for a kit, it should be considerably less. For the legal limit???....maybe a little more, but not much more. Stan Rife W5EWA Houston, TX K2 S/N 4216 -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of [hidden email] Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 1:41 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: [Elecraft] KPA800 @ $2.8k: count me in/out Anything over $1500/US and I'm afraid I will have to count myself out. Wonder what others think? Bill K3UJ _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
|
|
In reply to this post by Kevin Rock
My idea of spendy IS 1500 bucks. 10,500 bucks for a radio is pure
H.... S... I think the whole amateur market is getting out of hand. But that is just my opinion. Stan Rife W5EWA Houston, TX K2 S/N 4216 -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Kevin Rock Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 2:13 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA800 @ $2.8k: count me in/out I thought this amp was going to be spendy. You are near the range where my estimates begin. I figured on $3k+ if not more. The legal limit linear may be over $5k so I would have to mortgage the house! Kevin. KD5ONS _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: KPA800 @ $2.8k: count me in/out
|
|
In reply to this post by N2TK
Agreed. I would like to see a complete tech spec not just a sales spec, and
have a look inside the amp, before smiling at the bank -and you know who. Geoff, GM4ESD ----- Original Message ----- From: "N2TK, Tony" <[hidden email]> To: "Elecraft (E-mail)" <[hidden email]> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 9:03 PM Subject: RE: [Elecraft] KPA800 @ $2.8k: count me in/out > Well, it all depends what you get. Without seeing it and/or seeing the specs > it is somewhat difficult to make a statement about the amp. If it's auto > everything in a tiny lightweight package with 1500W out on SSB and CW I > might start drooling even before I get to Dayton. > Does it cover 160-10 or 160-6M? > Will it keep my coffee hot if I put the cup on the heat sink? > Does it have a remote control head so I can put the amp in the basement and > not have the heat and noise of an amp in the shack (One nice advantage of my > 2000A)? > How is the QSK in it? > What power out with continuous modes? > Does it switch bands automatically when changing bands with your > transceiver, whether a K2 or other brand without having to send a dit? > What kind of SWR will it handle? > > So, it sure seems premature to make a decision on the amp. That's what I > think. > N2TK, Tony > > > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
|
|
In reply to this post by Able2fly
In a message dated 4/25/05 7:29:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [hidden email]
writes: > I think the whole amateur market is getting out of hand. But > that is just my opinion. > Well, take a look at what ham gear used to cost...and what the average person made an hour/week/month/year. IIRC, a Collins 75A-4 cost about $700 back 45 years ago - when a $5000/yr income meant a solid middle class life for a family of four. (And the 75A-4 is just a *receiver*!) 73 de Jim, N2EY _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
|
|
This is just a guess,
Occasionally on this list and others, some of the guys have mentioned a series of power transistors (Motorola comes to mind, but I'm not sure). The web site looks very inviting for those interested in QRO and a short discussion inevitably ensues. Also inevitably, some of the guys who have tried building these things warn about the absolutely terrible customer service problems they've experienced while trying to build one of these amps, and that sort of puts a damper on the whole thread. So, just as a guess, what we have is an interesting possibility for what looks like might be a good an amp, but with lousy customer service. And Elecraft, whose logo you see in the dictionary when you look up "Customer Service". So my guess is that the Aptos connection has found something with pretty good potential and will add their word class customer service and have a pretty good amplifier. As for the price---where did these numbers come from anyway? Just guessing, Tom, WB2QDG K2 1103 (Happy with 5 watts) _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
RE: KPA800 @ $2.8k: count me in/out
|
|
In reply to this post by Larry Makoski W2LJ
Larry W2LJ wrote:
That all said, I am saving to purchase the KPA100 someday. ---------------------------- Cost is one of the biggest problems of going up in scale, and why, historically, "legal limit" powers were run only by a relatively small percentage of the Hams. The difference between 100 watts and 800 watts is virtually identical to the difference between 15 watts and 100 watts. More power = more flexibility under various conditions. But, like all else, it's a trade-off between what is practical and what fits the budget. Ron AC7AC _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: KPA800 @ $2.8k: count me in/out
|
|
In reply to this post by Able2fly
$2800 (if that's a true figure) is quite inexpensive when you compare the
KPA800 (if that's the correct model designator) with the closest competition on the market: the Icom PW-1 and the Yaesu Quadra. Both of those amps are solid state auto-tune and are rated at 1000 watts out on HF and 500 watts out on 6m. Both weigh in excess of 55 lbs including the built-in power supply. The KPA800 weighs 16 kg (35.5 lbs -- not 16 lbs as reported earlier on the list). The street price of a new PW-1 is $4600 and a new Quadra is $4000. The legal limit KPA1500 (if that's the correct model designator) would be in direct competition with the Alpha 87 and the Acom 2000 amps, which are both legal limit tube amps with auto-tune features and prices approaching $7000. To my knowledge, the KPA1500 would be the first legal limit solid state auto-tune HF amplifier to hit the market. IF YOU'RE IN THE MARKET FOR A QUALITY SOLID-STATE (or tube) HF AMP, you'll probably get more for less if you go with Elecraft. If you're not in the market for such an amplifier, don't flame the speculated price. What we have to do now is wait until Eric and/or Wayne gives further details about the amp on this reflector. 73, de Earl, K6SE _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: KPA800/1500 count me IN...
|
|
GOOD ENOUGH TO SEE AGAIN :
Earl W Cunningham wrote: "If you're not in the market for such an amplifier, don't flame the speculated price" right on EARL..... BILL ny9h..... might be more fun ( & productive) to speculate on the output devices.... _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
|
|
In reply to this post by Able2fly
In a message dated 4/25/2005 18:06:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes: The difference between 100 watts and 800 watts is virtually identical to the difference between 15 watts and 100 watts. No quite, but almost. It's 9 dB. That would make the difference between 15 watts and 120 watts. Geoff, K6TFZ _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
RE: KPA800 @ $2.8k: count me in/out
|
|
-----Original Message-----
AC7AC writes: The difference between 100 watts and 800 watts is virtually identical to the difference between 15 watts and 100 watts. No quite, but almost. It's 9 dB. That would make the difference between 15 watts and 120 watts. Geoff, K6TFZ -------------------- My apologies if my rough dB numbers caused confusion, Geoff. I was trying to say that the difference in signal strength between a K2/100 and an 800 watt amp is, for all practical purposes, identical to the difference between a QRP K2 and a K2/100. Ron AC7AC _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
|
|
In reply to this post by Bill Steffey NY9H
I have a K1 for CW and a Icom 706 for SSB. I live in an apt above a church I
pastored for 9 years before I retired. Antenna wise I have a G5RV from TenTec and a Gap Challenger Vertical. The ground below the antennas was all swamp and it was filled in in the 50s and am not sure it gives me any advantage. With the 100 watts from the 706 I work anything I hear. Frequently the reports I get are 15-20 DB over S9. Perhaps if my only goal in life was to work contests I would trick myself into thinking I needed an Amp. <g> I have had amps through out the 45 years I have been a ham but I always come to the conclusion eventually that I don't need it. I have not always lived in an apt... I once had a 70ft tower with a 3-element beam and a 2 meter beam at 80 feet. Pearly Paul Gates Elecraft K1 #231 [hidden email] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill NY9H" <[hidden email]> To: "Earl W Cunningham" <[hidden email]>; <[hidden email]> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA800/1500 count me IN... > GOOD ENOUGH TO SEE AGAIN : > > Earl W Cunningham wrote: > "If you're not in the market for such an amplifier, don't flame the > speculated price" > > right on EARL..... > > BILL ny9h..... > > > might be more fun ( & productive) to speculate on the output devices.... > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
«
Return to Elecraft
|
1 view|%1 views
| Free forum by Nabble | Edit this page |