KPLUS (K3) Needed .....
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I'm hoping for hopes, that Elecraft Inc. is seriously
considering a new TRANSCEIVER KIT rig for the future. K3's and all sorts of K2 mods have been discussed - probably overly so. Having built and used (for a short time) K2 #5422 this past spring, there's no question to me, that the quality, thought, and engineering that went into creating and supporting the K2 - is nothing but outstanding. No question .. A veteral K2 ham related to me the difficulties of making a K2 SSB rig work well, in the QRP mode. Bandwidth vs power and all that. But it seems pretty evident that Elecraft should seriously pursue creating a K3 base rig, with at least: K3 HF Transceiver consider including VHF 100W pep minimum included CW, SSB included .. then other options if need be a real NB DSP in the IF, somehow standard consider GP coverage in receive larger front panel, knobs and buttons LCD color base display KITTED product I'm sure many of us would jump to buy one, and probably many K2 owners too. It's not being disloyal to the K2 - it is just another notch in one's belt, in one's arsenal of ham technology gear. If design staff is dear (precious) - hire some contract RF HF designer(s) to do the major legwork of the design. 9/2006 ---- the clock is a running Dayton 2007 isn't that far away Fred N3CSY __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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If they do decide I feel the cost will be around $5500 in kit form.
john n4dsp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred (FL)" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 6:32 PM Subject: [Elecraft] KPLUS (K3) Needed ..... > I'm hoping for hopes, that Elecraft Inc. is seriously > considering a new TRANSCEIVER KIT rig for the future. > K3's and all sorts of K2 mods have been discussed > - probably overly so. Having built and used (for > a short time) K2 #5422 this past spring, there's no > question to me, that the quality, thought, and > engineering that went into creating and supporting the > K2 - is nothing but outstanding. No question .. > > A veteral K2 ham related to me the difficulties > of making a K2 SSB rig work well, in the QRP > mode. Bandwidth vs power and all that. > > But it seems pretty evident that Elecraft should > seriously pursue creating a K3 base rig, with at > least: > > K3 HF Transceiver > consider including VHF > 100W pep minimum included > CW, SSB included > .. then other options if need be > a real NB > DSP in the IF, somehow standard > consider GP coverage in receive > larger front panel, knobs and buttons > LCD color base display > KITTED product > > I'm sure many of us would jump to buy one, and > probably many K2 owners too. It's not being > disloyal to the K2 - it is just another notch > in one's belt, in one's arsenal of ham technology > gear. > > If design staff is dear (precious) - hire some > contract RF HF designer(s) to do the major > legwork of the design. > > 9/2006 ---- the clock is a running > Dayton 2007 isn't that far away > > Fred > N3CSY > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Fred (FL)
In a message dated 9/26/06 6:33:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes: > But it seems pretty evident that Elecraft should > seriously pursue creating a K3 base rig, with at > least: > > K3 HF Transceiver > consider including VHF > 100W pep minimum included > CW, SSB included > .. then other options if need be > a real NB > DSP in the IF, somehow standard > consider GP coverage in receive > larger front panel, knobs and buttons > LCD color base display > KITTED product > Nice wish list. Sounds like the Sienna transceiver. If it's doable, the folks in Aptos will do it. > I'm sure many of us would jump to buy one, and > probably many K2 owners too. It's not being > disloyal to the K2 - it is just another notch > in one's belt, in one's arsenal of ham technology > gear. > How much are *you* willing to pay for one? What K2 features should be sacrificed? > If design staff is dear (precious) - hire some > contract RF HF designer(s) to do the major > legwork of the design. > That's like Michelangelo hiring some contract painters so he could finish that dern chapel ceiling job faster. Sure, they'd get it done, but the result wouldn't be quite the same... ;-) > 9/2006 ---- the clock is a running > Dayton 2007 isn't that far away > I like to cook. Also bake bread. Suppose it takes six hours at 300 degrees to cook something to perfection. You will not get the same result by cooking it at 600 degrees for three hours. 73 de Jim, N2EY "If it were easy, everyone would do it" _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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[hidden email] wrote: > In a message dated 9/26/06 6:33:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > [hidden email] writes: > >> > > That's like Michelangelo hiring some contract painters so he could finish > that dern chapel ceiling job faster. Sure, they'd get it done, but the result > wouldn't be quite the same... ;-) > > outline the work, paint some of the difficult parts, to be completed by his apprentices. These works are often known as "from the studio of" and are responsible for some of difficulty the art world has in attribution. If Di Vinci painted the outline and some of the work (say 20%) and his apprentices did the rest, is it an authentic Di Vinci? Jack K8ZOA _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by n4dsp
As far as a graphics spectrum display goes, modesty forbids me from
suggesting that this has been at least partially solved with my Z90/91 digital panadapter kit and K2 interface board ... Jack K8ZOA www.cliftonlaboratories.com > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Fred (FL)
--- "Fred (FL)" <[hidden email]> wrote:
[snip...] > But it seems pretty evident that Elecraft should > seriously pursue creating a K3 base rig, with at > least: > > K3 HF Transceiver > consider including VHF > 100W pep minimum included > CW, SSB included > .. then other options if need be > a real NB > DSP in the IF, somehow standard > consider GP coverage in receive > larger front panel, knobs and buttons > LCD color base display > KITTED product If I read that correctly, you're asking for general coverage receive from your proposed K3. Based on what I understand about the current K2 design, the reason it's such an excellent receiver is because Elecraft avoided making it a general coverage receiver - someone please correct me if I'm wrong. That said, I'd personally prefer if they kept any future transceivers as ham-band-only units. For my own selfish purposes, I'd love to see Elecraft produce a specialty longwave and mediumwave only receiver. But that's a niche that's even smaller than ham radio! Oh well.... 73, Ken Alexander VE3HLS _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Personally if Elecraft were to offer a new K3 that was 100 watts output I
would not buy it. 5 watts is all I need. Jerry - NR5A - South Dakota _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Fred (FL)
In a message dated 9/26/06 8:48:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes: > [hidden email] wrote: > > In a message dated 9/26/06 6:33:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > [hidden email] writes: > > > >> > > > > That's like Michelangelo hiring some contract painters so he could finish > > that dern chapel ceiling job faster. Sure, they'd get it done, but the > result > > wouldn't be quite the same... ;-) > > > > > Actually, that was a common practice at the time. The master would > outline the work, paint some of the difficult parts, to be completed by > his apprentices. > > But Michelangelo didn't do that in the Sistine Chapel. He insisted on doing it all himself - and it took *years*. The results kinda speak for themselves. > > These works are often known as "from the studio of" and are responsible > for some of difficulty the art world has in attribution. They're also not up to the level of true masterworks. The Renaissance produced a lot of art - of varying quality. Nowadays we hams have lots of equipment to choose from - of varying quality.... If Di Vinci > > painted the outline and some of the work (say 20%) and his apprentices > did the rest, is it an authentic Di Vinci? > I don't know if Leonardo Da Vinci had apprentices, but I doubt he let them anywhere near works like the Mona Lisa. --- I am reminded of the story of the mice in a house who held a meeting because of the new cat. They all agreed that something needed to be done about the cat problem. They also all agreed that the solution was for someone to tie a bell around the cat's neck, so they could hear the cat approaching. It was a great idea and they all congratulated themselves on it and offered various suggestions about the size, tone and type of bell and ribbon to be used. But when it came time for a mouse to step forward and actually bell the cat.... 73 de Jim, N2EY _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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>> Actually, that was a common practice at the time. The master would
>> outline the work, paint some of the difficult parts, to be >> completed by >> his apprentices. >> >> > > But Michelangelo didn't do that in the Sistine Chapel. He insisted > on doing > it all himself - and it took *years*. > > The results kinda speak for themselves. This is a perfect example of why I love the educational, eclectic, Elecraft list: Ham Radio, QRP, Art History, and alliterations too! ;-) 73, John AA2BN _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Fred (FL)
As a K1 owner and QRP person I would want the ability to have a cheaper 10W
peak solution - if you can't hold a QSO with a clean 5W of digital software then it's time to take the dog for a walk. Simon Brown --- RSGB HF Convention October 2006: http://www.rsgb-hfc.org.uk/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "nr5a" <[hidden email]> > > >> Personally if Elecraft were to offer a new K3 that was 100 watts output I >> would not buy it. 5 watts is all I need. > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Ken Alexander-2
In my humble opinion, we don't need a K3. I'm perfectly content with the K2
as it is. It does evrything I need from a rig, and does it well. I would probably never use the stuff people want to add. (By the way, besides being a QRPer and CW man, I'm an advanced DXer.) I am in awe of the engineering that went into the K2. For one thing, just look at the way the case fits together. If I had one nit-pick, I wish the ad-hoc point to point wiring of some components (key click filter, etc.) were not necessary. 73, John, W2GW K2/100 #5570, K2/100 #4970, K1 #2105, KX1 #1258, KAT100, etc. > [snip...] >> But it seems pretty evident that Elecraft should >> seriously pursue creating a K3 base rig, with at >> least: >> >> K3 HF Transceiver >> consider including VHF >> 100W pep minimum included >> CW, SSB included >> .. then other options if need be >> a real NB >> DSP in the IF, somehow standard >> consider GP coverage in receive >> larger front panel, knobs and buttons >> LCD color base display >> KITTED product > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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