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Richard Thorpe-3

KSYN3A

The most cost effective thing to do is to remove the sub-receive and save $200 bucks and upgrade the main synth only. I can see a lot of second receivers on eBay.

R Thorpe K6CG
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Re: KSYN3A

Why remove it?
The sub receiver is very nice

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Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 2:15 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A

The most cost effective thing to do is to remove the sub-receive and save $200 bucks and upgrade the main synth only. I can see a lot of second receivers on eBay.

R Thorpe K6CG
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bs usb

Re: KSYN3A

I think the idea is to remove the sub receiver, sell it, and use the
proceeds to offset the cost of another option.

You see lots of second receivers on the bay because lots of people have
the same idea. Everyone selling reduces the people buying because the
are all coming out of the same pool of users. I mean who is going to
want an Elecraft sub receiver if they don't have Elecraft equipment?

So the 'savings' premis, although logical at first blush, is actually
seriously flawed. First off, even if you do find a buyer, the selling
price is going to be far less than you payed for it because it is used
and unwanted. Then, if you later decide to add the sub receiver back,
you end up possibly paying full price if you have to go back to the
manufacturer. That is not a savings.

Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:

> Why remove it?
> The sub receiver is very nice
>
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> The most cost effective thing to do is to remove the sub-receive and save $200 bucks and upgrade the main synth only. I can see a lot of second receivers on eBay.
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Phil Wheeler-2

Re: KSYN3A

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Apparently to save $200 :-)

In this vein, I wonder what would happen if you
updated the main RX but left the sub RX as is?
Question for Wayne, I guess.

Hypothetical in my case: I have only one
functional ear, so no sub RX. But my KSYN3A should
arrive late next week.

Phil W7OX

On 2/13/15 11:46 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:

wayne burdick

Re: KSYN3A

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Both synthesizers must be of the same type.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

On Feb 13, 2015, at 12:04 PM, Phil Wheeler <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Apparently to save $200 :-)
>
> In this vein, I wonder what would happen if you updated the main RX but left the sub RX as is? Question for Wayne, I guess.
>
> Hypothetical in my case: I have only one functional ear, so no sub RX. But my KSYN3A should arrive late next week.
>
> Phil W7OX
>
> On 2/13/15 11:46 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
>> Why remove it?
>> The sub receiver is very nice
>>
>>
>> From: Richard Thorpe <[hidden email]>
>> To: Elecraft List <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 2:15 PM
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>> The most cost effective thing to do is to remove the sub-receive and save $200 bucks and upgrade the main synth only. I can see a lot of second receivers on eBay.
>>
>> R Thorpe K6CG
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Doug Turnbull

Re: KSYN3A

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Dear OMs,
In no way would I part with my sub-receiver. I operate 160M and find
diversity reception a considerable help. I also like the ability to tune
the second receiver through a pile up extending 20KhZ and sometimes offset
nearly 100 KHz.

The sub-receiver is not needed by most people and I would not wish to
over specify some ones radio - the K3 is affordable in the basic
configuration and an excellent performer. Modular design allows one to
update and upgrade - which is just fine.

Like a few other fortunate souls I have two K3s and if the new KSYN3A
is enough of an advance then I will first upgrade one radio then the other.

A few interesting questions have been asked - is there any advantage
for JT-65 with the new board? Sadly though CW is my mode; my speed is not
at 35 WPM for rag chews. Maybe at times 30 WPM but not 35 WPM plus. The
improvements may prove useful for CW contests - this will convince me. As
pointed out previously SSB signals are so lousy from many radios that the
improved receiver performance might not be noticed. So I am waiting to see
what other report but I am keen.

I do not want a K4 and it delights me to see this enlightened
attitude by Elecraft to improving and extending product life. This is not
the norm. An old Yankee maxim is, "Use it up; Fix it up; Make do; Do
without" Elecraft should appeal to the six North Eastern States.

73 Doug EI2CN

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The most cost effective thing to do is to remove the sub-receive and save
$200 bucks and upgrade the main synth only. I can see a lot of second
receivers on eBay.

R Thorpe K6CG
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Re: KSYN3A

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As I see it for those who want the extra capabilities will pay it.The sell as sub receiver to pay for a 200 option seems a bit haste.

The K3 is just as capable as it was yesterday, this is merely adding to it.
If money is that tight I'd rather just keep the Sub receiver as it is more useful

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I think the idea is to remove the sub receiver, sell it, and use the
proceeds to offset the cost of another option.

You see lots of second receivers on the bay because lots of people have
the same idea. Everyone selling reduces the people buying because the
are all coming out of the same pool of users. I mean who is going to
want an Elecraft sub receiver if they don't have Elecraft equipment?

So the 'savings' premis, although logical at first blush, is actually
seriously flawed. First off, even if you do find a buyer, the selling
price is going to be far less than you payed for it because it is used
and unwanted. Then, if you later decide to add the sub receiver back,
you end up possibly paying full price if you have to go back to the
manufacturer. That is not a savings.

Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:

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Phil Wheeler-2

Re: KSYN3A

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On 2/13/15 12:54 PM, Doug Turnbull wrote:
> Like a few other fortunate souls I have two K3s and if the new KSYN3A
> is enough of an advance then I will first upgrade one radio then the other.
Good. You can do an A-B test after upgrading one
of them and give us a full report :-)

Phil W7OX

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Bill Steffey NY9H

Re: KSYN3A

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now we need a neat application for the old synth card,,,,
seems that there will be a few thousand available....

What cool thing could we build in which to nest the olds synth card ????

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Re: KSYN3A

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Once I got the new synt's here I can donate my old ones back to elecraft just in case they are running out of old ones...
vy 73 de VE3GNO Daniel
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now we need a neat application for the old synth card,,,,
seems that there will be a few thousand available....

What cool thing could we build in which to nest the olds synth card ????

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Edward R Cole

Re: KSYN3A

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I am copying a reply I made on the 600m e-mail reflector as I think
it may answer some questions how the K3 is used down below 500-KHz:
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To: Jim Miller <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [600MRG] [Elecraft] Upgraded K3 synthesizer module now
available: The KSYN3A

Jim,

The K3 operates all modes in TEST:
CW/SSB/AM/FM/DATA/RTTY/packet/psk-msk, etc. I can run psk-31, JT65,
WSPR using DATA-A. Any soundcard sw runs normally with the K3. TEST
mode essentially is placing the K3 into transverter mode with
inputs/outputs available at the transverter connectors or Rx ANT. It
uses the general coverage filter to operate outside normal ham bands.

Not sure what you mean by external mixing.

You just PRESS-HOLD the MODE down button to get into TEST and operate
the K3 normally. It just lowers in power to mw and routes thru the
transverter interface module KXV3. Look on page 75 at the K3 block
diagram at the upper right corner which shows the KXV3. Right below
is shows the BP filters and the 10w PA/Driver and final are bypassed
to the KXV3. That is all the TEST mode does.

The new SYNTH board allows operation lower in frequency. The gen
coverage BP filter KBPF3 nominally covers 500-KHz to 30
MHz. Performance drops off above 30 though the radio will tune to 32
MHz in the transverter mode. I assume there is no change in the
KBPF3 so it will also drop off below 500-KHz but apparently not
significantly until below 450-KHz.

This is a BIG WIN for Elecraft to enter the 600m Ham Band when it
gets approved. They can already sell to countries that have created
the 600m ham band.

And I have no motivation to build a transverter for 600m, now. The
prototype pc boards would run costs up to at least $400 for the
initial transverter. Instead I get two new synth boards and install
them in less than 30-min. The bonus is the lowered phase noise for
weak-signal work.

Those Elecraft guys are pretty crafty-smart.

73, Ed

At 08:47 AM 2/13/2015, Jim Miller wrote:
>What modes are available if using Test? Does Test at least provide
>CW keyed out?
>
>Seems like sound card modes like JT65 or WSPR would still require
>external mixing before the amp.
>
>73
>
>Jim ab3cv

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Rick WA6NHC

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Not a totally useless idea, it gives Elecraft a supply for those simple
wanting to add the KXR3 without doing the upgrade. Since they won't be
making more and hams are generically cheap, it will extend the K3 life
for those without a toy budget.

Best to ask Wayne if they can manage that first however... Maybe a
coupon for a future purchase.

I'll likely get a pair to keep my K3 current... along with the SVGA
upgrade for the P3, I'm tired of squinting, this K1N showed me I needed
to see more.

Rick wa6nhc

On 2/13/2015 1:46 PM, VE3GNO Daniel via Elecraft wrote:
> Once I got the new synt's here I can donate my old ones back to elecraft just in case they are running out of old ones...

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Edward R Cole

Re: KSYN3A

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Doug,

JT-65, like all weak-signal modes, greatly benefits from low
phase-noise in a receiver (typically from the LO).
I operate 2m-eme with JT65 and will be very interested to see if I
can see improvement with the new synth.

Nor will I part with my sub-rcvr as its integral to my dual-polarity
adaptive reception using JT65. I use diversity reception with
receivers connected to different polarities. The sw that provides
adaptive reception is MAP65.

73, Ed - KL7UW

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Dear OMs,
In no way would I part with my sub-receiver.
======snip=======
A few interesting questions have been asked - is there any advantage
for JT-65 with the new board?
=====snip========

73 Doug EI2CN

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Bill Frantz

Re: KSYN3A

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One thing I couldn't see from the Elecraft web site: I have a
single receiver K3. If I install the KSYN3A, and later add a
second receiver, which synth do I get in that second receiver.

One advantage of the K3 is its Barbie Doll (tm) feature. I can
add pieces slowly to the radio and stay under the worst of my
YL/budget master/KI6SLX's radar screen. It may take several
years, but it is the best way for me to end up with a
top-of-the-line radio.

73 Bill AE6JV

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Re: KSYN3A

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On Feb 13, 2015, at 3:15 PM, Bill Frantz <[hidden email]> wrote:

> One thing I couldn't see from the Elecraft web site: I have a single receiver K3. If I install the KSYN3A, and later add a second receiver, which synth do I get in that second receiver.

You'll get the new synth with the KRX3 in this case. And there's no change in price for the KRX3 option.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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Phil Wheeler-2

Re: KSYN3A

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I find it had to regard Elecraft-owning hams as
"cheap", Rick :-)

Phil W7OX

On 2/13/15 2:49 PM, Rick WA6NHC wrote:
> Not a totally useless idea, it gives Elecraft a
> supply for those simple wanting to add the KXR3
> without doing the upgrade. Since they won't be
> making more and hams are generically cheap

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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: KSYN3A

Consider those who willingly spend $5k or so for a transceiver
configured to the max, but balk at spending $5 for a cable adapter or
something special of that nature. Perhaps "thrifty" is a more
politically correct term.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/13/2015 6:20 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
> I find it had to regard Elecraft-owning hams as "cheap", Rick :-)
>
> Phil W7OX
>
> On 2/13/15 2:49 PM, Rick WA6NHC wrote:
>> Not a totally useless idea, it gives Elecraft a supply for those
>> simple wanting to add the KXR3 without doing the upgrade. Since they
>> won't be making more and hams are generically cheap
>

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Phil Wheeler-2

Re: KSYN3A

Yes, that makes sense, Don -- and not so
pejorative as "cheap" :-)

73, Phil W7OX

On 2/13/15 4:23 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

> Consider those who willingly spend $5k or so for
> a transceiver configured to the max, but balk at
> spending $5 for a cable adapter or something
> special of that nature. Perhaps "thrifty" is a
> more politically correct term.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 2/13/2015 6:20 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
>> I find it hard to regard Elecraft-owning hams
>> as "cheap", Rick :-)
>>
>> Phil W7OX
>>
>> On 2/13/15 2:49 PM, Rick WA6NHC wrote:
>>> Not a totally useless idea, it gives Elecraft
>>> a supply for those simple wanting to add the
>>> KXR3 without doing the upgrade. Since they
>>> won't be making more and hams are generically
>>> cheap

Nate Bargmann

Re: KSYN3A

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* On 2015 13 Feb 15:20 -0600, Bill NY9H wrote:
> now we need a neat application for the old synth card,,,,
> seems that there will be a few thousand available....

Wayne alluded earlier that they were holding some subreceiver kits back
for those interested in fitting one into a K3 with the older synth
board. Perhaps Elecraft would be interested in a modest trade-in value
for some of those boards.

73, Nate, N0NB

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Wow thanks Wayne and Elecraft for another improvement to a legendary rig.. or as I told my wife.. "I have just had to factor an extra $400 into the monthly budget". ;-).

~C.
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KSYN3A

On Feb 13, 2015, at 3:15 PM, Bill Frantz <[hidden email]> wrote:

> One thing I couldn't see from the Elecraft web site: I have a single receiver K3. If I install the KSYN3A, and later add a second receiver, which synth do I get in that second receiver.

You'll get the new synth with the KRX3 in this case. And there's no change in price for the KRX3 option.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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