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Dan Presley

KX3/KX2 remote for FD

I was curious what folks might be doing for remote setups for field day,in particular for the KX3 and KX2. Our club has a great 5 acre site with tall trees that we’ll use to spread out,but it would be nice to have a remote option as well. We have a bunch of KX3s and 2s-no K3 or K4s as yet-well almost no one has a 4! I have a pignology-piglet setup but I don’t think that’ll work for true internet remote-just short range Bluetooth. Let me know-thanks!

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Jim Brown-10

Re: KX3/KX2 remote for FD

On 5/12/2020 3:19 PM, Dan Presley wrote:
> I was curious what folks might be doing for remote setups for field day

Speaking for myself as a genuine OF with some medical issues, my wife
and I are distancing until we can get a known good vaccine. Our long
time FD group consists entirely of OFs, and we made the decision more
than a month ago not to do FD as a group. Wishing that everyone stays
healthy, we urge others to operate FD from home. It's a great time to
check out backup power.

73, Jim K9YC
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Bob McGraw - K4TAX

Re: KX3/KX2 remote for FD

With the current COVID-19 conditions, I'll be staying at home. No Field
Day participation for me. Many in our club feel the same way. Too risky.

The objective of Field Day originally was to show and demonstrate
capability of station operating under simulated conditions. Thus no
phones, no electricity, and no internet. So with this, how does one
expect to operate remote?

73

Bob, K4TAX

On 5/12/2020 5:33 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

> On 5/12/2020 3:19 PM, Dan Presley wrote:
>> I was curious what folks might be doing for remote setups for field day
>
> Speaking for myself as a genuine OF with some medical issues, my wife
> and I are distancing until we can get a known good vaccine. Our long
> time FD group consists entirely of OFs, and we made the decision more
> than a month ago not to do FD as a group. Wishing that everyone stays
> healthy, we urge others to operate FD from home. It's a great time to
> check out backup power.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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Brian Hunt

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We usually set up FD at one of the state beaches here in NorCal but not this year. Parking is all closed off and no special event permits are being processed. We will have an individual effort also. I'll be running my KX2 or K1 off the aux battery I pull from the Land Rover just like I would if the big one hits. CW only so no computer needed except for logging (which can run from mains power per the rules). Gonna be different!!

GL all.

73,
Brian, K0DTJ
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Dan Presley

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I’ll comment briefly about what we’re doing but I don’t want this to morph into a discussion about what others may think or wish to do for FD. Remote operating is as likely in a disaster scenario as any other-all depends on your infrastructure and whether you rely on conventional internet access or other networks. Nothing wrong with home operation or solo portable either. Field day this year is what you choose to do comfortably and explore options to keep you safe. Our setup is designed for near total isolation and no close contact with other operators. Oregon has strict guidelines that we’ll follow-so far we have the lowest rate of infection in the country and plan to keep it that way. Exploring remote operating will also benefit many hams that may not have access to larger antennas or quieter locations well beyond this particular event. If you want to know more about our plans I’m happy to discuss that off the reflector.
So-what are options for remote control of the KX3 and KX2?

Dan Presley 503-701-3871
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> On May 12, 2020, at 19:20, Brian Hunt <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> We usually set up FD at one of the state beaches here in NorCal but not this year. Parking is all closed off and no special event permits are being processed. We will have an individual effort also. I'll be running my KX2 or K1 off the aux battery I pull from the Land Rover just like I would if the big one hits. CW only so no computer needed except for logging (which can run from mains power per the rules). Gonna be different!!
>
> GL all.
>
> 73,
> Brian, K0DTJ
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Lyn WØLEN

Re: KX3/KX2 remote for FD

I can operate pretty much self-contained from home, and do so for statewide ARES exercises, where I serve as a designated OES in Illinois.

I don't need outside electricity, phones, internet or repeaters. I gather messages (ICS-2130) from field stations via VHF/UHF Simplex (mostly) with a little portable HF thrown in and relay to our State ECOM HQ in Springfield on 80 meters P2P.

The distance is about 280 miles, and is just right for my "purpose designed" 80 meter EDZ antenna.

73
Lyn, W0LEN

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I’ll comment briefly about what we’re doing but I don’t want this to morph into a discussion about what others may think or wish to do for FD. Remote operating is as likely in a disaster scenario as any other-all depends on your infrastructure and whether you rely on conventional internet access or other networks. Nothing wrong with home operation or solo portable either. Field day this year is what you choose to do comfortably and explore options to keep you safe. Our setup is designed for near total isolation and no close contact with other operators. Oregon has strict guidelines that we’ll follow-so far we have the lowest rate of infection in the country and plan to keep it that way. Exploring remote operating will also benefit many hams that may not have access to larger antennas or quieter locations well beyond this particular event. If you want to know more about our plans I’m happy to discuss that off the reflector.
So-what are options for remote control of the KX3 and KX2?

Dan Presley 503-701-3871
danpresley@me. com
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> On May 12, 2020, at 19:20, Brian Hunt <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> We usually set up FD at one of the state beaches here in NorCal but not this year. Parking is all closed off and no special event permits are being processed. We will have an individual effort also. I'll be running my KX2 or K1 off the aux battery I pull from the Land Rover just like I would if the big one hits. CW only so no computer needed except for logging (which can run from mains power per the rules). Gonna be different!!
>
> GL all.
>
> 73,
> Brian, K0DTJ

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Dean L

Re: KX3/KX2 remote for FD

Does anyone have info about remote control of KX3/KX2?
I'm interested also...
In remote control of KX3, not opinions on social distancing.

73 all
Dean K2WW

On Wed, May 13, 2020, 17:36 Lyn Norstad <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I can operate pretty much self-contained from home, and do so for
> statewide ARES exercises, where I serve as a designated OES in Illinois.
>
> I don't need outside electricity, phones, internet or repeaters. I gather
> messages (ICS-2130) from field stations via VHF/UHF Simplex (mostly) with a
> little portable HF thrown in and relay to our State ECOM HQ in Springfield
> on 80 meters P2P.
>
> The distance is about 280 miles, and is just right for my "purpose
> designed" 80 meter EDZ antenna.
>
> 73
> Lyn, W0LEN
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:
> [hidden email]] On Behalf Of Dan Presley
> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:59 PM
> To: K2
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3/KX2 remote for FD
>
> I’ll comment briefly about what we’re doing but I don’t want this to
> morph into a discussion about what others may think or wish to do for FD.
> Remote operating is as likely in a disaster scenario as any other-all
> depends on your infrastructure and whether you rely on conventional
> internet access or other networks. Nothing wrong with home operation or
> solo portable either. Field day this year is what you choose to do
> comfortably and explore options to keep you safe. Our setup is designed for
> near total isolation and no close contact with other operators. Oregon has
> strict guidelines that we’ll follow-so far we have the lowest rate of
> infection in the country and plan to keep it that way. Exploring remote
> operating will also benefit many hams that may not have access to larger
> antennas or quieter locations well beyond this particular event. If you
> want to know more about our plans I’m happy to discuss that off the
> reflector.
> So-what are options for remote control of the KX3 and KX2?
>
> Dan Presley 503-701-3871
> danpresley@me. com
> [hidden email]
>
>
> > On May 12, 2020, at 19:20, Brian Hunt <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > We usually set up FD at one of the state beaches here in NorCal but not
> this year. Parking is all closed off and no special event permits are being
> processed. We will have an individual effort also. I'll be running my KX2
> or K1 off the aux battery I pull from the Land Rover just like I would if
> the big one hits. CW only so no computer needed except for logging (which
> can run from mains power per the rules). Gonna be different!!
> >
> > GL all.
> >
> > 73,
> > Brian, K0DTJ
>
>
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Bob N3MNT

Re: KX3/KX2 remote for FD

I have always seen Field Day as a way to practice/demonstrate the ability to
communicate under emergency conditions. In the past those conditions were
assumed to be things like major storms or other natural disasters that
disrupted normal communications/power. We have always made the assumption
that we would still be able to gather to accomplish this. This means that we
would have multiple people available to erect temporary antennas and set up
stations. I see this year as just adding another hurdle to overcome in
demonstrating the ultimate goal of being able to communicate under a major
disaster/emergency. Rather than opting out this year, we should accept the
new challenge and do what Hams do best innovate.

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Bob McGraw - K4TAX

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I agree, specially on the first sentence. I've been participating in
FD since the very early '60's. However it has become a "contest" to see
who and what organization can accumulate the most points. A contact is
a contact, a multiplier is a mathematical term. It has no place in
Field Day operation.

73

Bob, K4TAX

On 5/14/2020 8:41 AM, Bob N3MNT wrote:

> I have always seen Field Day as a way to practice/demonstrate the ability to
> communicate under emergency conditions. In the past those conditions were
> assumed to be things like major storms or other natural disasters that
> disrupted normal communications/power. We have always made the assumption
> that we would still be able to gather to accomplish this. This means that we
> would have multiple people available to erect temporary antennas and set up
> stations. I see this year as just adding another hurdle to overcome in
> demonstrating the ultimate goal of being able to communicate under a major
> disaster/emergency. Rather than opting out this year, we should accept the
> new challenge and do what Hams do best innovate.
>
>
>

Jim Brown-10

Re: KX3/KX2 remote for FD

On 5/14/2020 7:56 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> However it has become a "contest" to see who and what organization can
> accumulate the most points. A contact is a contact, a multiplier is a
> mathematical term. It has no place in Field Day operation.

My first FD was 1956. It has ALWAYS been a contest. It was my first, and
it made me a contester!

73, Jim K9YC
Then W8FNI
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Bob McGraw - K4TAX

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From ARRL - At its core, Field Day is a local event and an opportunity for local amateur radio clubs to showcase the skills, science and technologies that make radio communication such a wonderful hobby and a valuable public service.

I see nothing about this being a contest.

Bob, K4TAX

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> On May 14, 2020, at 1:12 PM, Jim Brown <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> On 5/14/2020 7:56 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>> However it has become a "contest" to see who and what organization can accumulate the most points. A contact is a contact, a multiplier is a mathematical term. It has no place in Field Day operation.
>
> My first FD was 1956. It has ALWAYS been a contest. It was my first, and it made me a contester!
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
> Then W8FNI
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wayne burdick

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Jim,

I bet FD in 1957 was a real hoot (at the record peak of the sunspot cycle).

(FWIW, I was born in '57, which explains a lot.)

Wayne

> On May 14, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Jim Brown <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> On 5/14/2020 7:56 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>> However it has become a "contest" to see who and what organization can accumulate the most points. A contact is a contact, a multiplier is a mathematical term. It has no place in Field Day operation.
>
> My first FD was 1956. It has ALWAYS been a contest. It was my first, and it made me a contester!
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
> Then W8FNI
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Macy monkeys

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I thought FD was all about potlucks and greasy food :)

John K7FD

> On May 14, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Jim Brown <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> On 5/14/2020 7:56 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>> However it has become a "contest" to see who and what organization can accumulate the most points. A contact is a contact, a multiplier is a mathematical term. It has no place in Field Day operation.
>
> My first FD was 1956. It has ALWAYS been a contest. It was my first, and it made me a contester!
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
> Then W8FNI
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Vic Rosenthal

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Josh Fiden

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Good thing ARRL keeps score and publishes results, appeasing those of us with a competitive streak!

73
Josh W6XU

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> On May 14, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> I see nothing about this being a contest.

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Vic Rosenthal

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Yes, I recall trying to work some guy in Ohio (from New York) on 10m AM
phone and those pesky JA stations covered him up.
The guy with the gooney box on 6 meters was really rolling them up,
though, all over North America.

73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
CWops no. 5
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On 14/05/2020 21:20, Wayne Burdick wrote:

> Jim,
>
> I bet FD in 1957 was a real hoot (at the record peak of the sunspot cycle).
>
> (FWIW, I was born in '57, which explains a lot.)
>
> Wayne
>
>
>> On May 14, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Jim Brown<[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> On 5/14/2020 7:56 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>>> However it has become a "contest" to see who and what organization can accumulate the most points. A contact is a contact, a multiplier is a mathematical term. It has no place in Field Day operation.
>> My first FD was 1956. It has ALWAYS been a contest. It was my first, and it made me a contester!
>>
>> 73, Jim K9YC
>> Then W8FNI
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On 5/14/2020 11:17 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> From ARRL - At its core, *Field Day* is a local event and an
> opportunity for local amateur radio clubs to showcase the skills,
> science and technologies that make radio communication such a wonderful
> hobby and a valuable public service.
>
> I see nothing about this being a contest.

Yeah, they've been saying that for years. Saying something doesn't make
it true. For the vast majority of contesters of my generation, it was
our first contest. It's a "gateway drug." And if you don't think it's a
contest, you've never been part of a club that takes FD seriously. The
club I participated with in Chicago was, and still is, one of the top
three in its class, usually #1 or #2, and our current group in W6 has
won 1AB three times.

Important parts of doing well in FD are searching for and getting
permission for a good site that is RF quiet and has good possibilities
for rigging antennas, checking out all the gear in advance, selecting
radios that play well together in a multi-transmitter environment
(Elecraft is a big winner), rejecting those that don't (el-cheapo
160-440MHz for $1K junk), learning how to separate antennas to minimize
interference between stations while maximizing performance, checking out
every part of our stations in advance. There's a lot to be learned that
prepares us for emergencies from every element of what I've outlined above.

FD SHOULD also teach "short and sweet" operating procedures that are
directly applicable for emergency operation -- that's when I first
learned it from my contesting Elmer, W8FUM.

73, Jim K9YC
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Don Wilhelm

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Yes Wayne, it was one of the greatest Field Days of all. You could
track the course of sunlight on 10 meters (which went dead at sundown),
and there was a lot of activity.
I was 17 in 1957, and had been licensed since '55

While the ARRL did not list it as a contest, it was regarded as a
contest by most all operators - the ARRL also posted the high scorers at
the top of each category.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/14/2020 2:20 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> Jim,
>
> I bet FD in 1957 was a real hoot (at the record peak of the sunspot cycle).
>
> (FWIW, I was born in '57, which explains a lot.)
>
> Wayne
>
>
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http://www.arrl.org/files/file/Field-Day/2019/2019%20FD%20Flier%20-%20What%20is%20FD.pdf

ARRL says it’s “an informal contest” and says that the “contest part” is to contact as many folks as possible, as well as what Bob notes.

Everybody is right, but this duality has more than once created a bit of tension between the picnickers and the contesters in my neck of the woods.

Whatever, it’s been the best testament to the front end of a K3 I‘be experienced.

Scott ka9p

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> On May 14, 2020, at 1:21 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> From ARRL - At its core, Field Day is a local event and an opportunity for local amateur radio clubs to showcase the skills, science and technologies that make radio communication such a wonderful hobby and a valuable public service.
>
> I see nothing about this being a contest.
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>>> On May 14, 2020, at 1:12 PM, Jim Brown <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 5/14/2020 7:56 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>>> However it has become a "contest" to see who and what organization can accumulate the most points. A contact is a contact, a multiplier is a mathematical term. It has no place in Field Day operation.
>>
>> My first FD was 1956. It has ALWAYS been a contest. It was my first, and it made me a contester!
>>
>> 73, Jim K9YC
>> Then W8FNI
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wayne burdick

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Thanks for the memory, Don.

FD has always been a contest to me--more fun than any other. I nearly always operate QRP/portable, sometimes entirely hand-held (with the KX2), dragging a counterpoise wire for miles, up and down hills. (Who needs a gym membership?)

I was 14 at my first FD. I learned some hard lessons about how *not* to put a PL259 connector on RG8. A grizzled veteran laughed at my mess, then showed me The Way.

Wayne
N6KR

> On May 14, 2020, at 11:46 AM, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Yes Wayne, it was one of the greatest Field Days of all. You could track the course of sunlight on 10 meters (which went dead at sundown), and there was a lot of activity.
> I was 17 in 1957, and had been licensed since '55
>
> While the ARRL did not list it as a contest, it was regarded as a contest by most all operators - the ARRL also posted the high scorers at the top of each category.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 5/14/2020 2:20 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> Jim,
>> I bet FD in 1957 was a real hoot (at the record peak of the sunspot cycle).
>> (FWIW, I was born in '57, which explains a lot.)
>> Wayne
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