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Re: KX3/KX2 remote for FD

ve3gmz
How do you manage to keep a log at the same time?

Brian VE3GMZ



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Thanks for the memory, Don.

FD has always been a contest to me--more fun than any other. I nearly always operate QRP/portable, sometimes entirely hand-held (with the KX2), dragging a counterpoise wire for miles, up and down hills. (Who needs a gym membership?)

I was 14 at my first FD. I learned some hard lessons about how *not* to put a PL259 connector on RG8. A grizzled veteran laughed at my mess, then showed me The Way.

Wayne
N6KR



> On May 14, 2020, at 11:46 AM, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Yes Wayne, it was one of the greatest Field Days of all.  You could track the course of sunlight on 10 meters (which went dead at sundown), and there was a lot of activity.
> I was 17 in 1957, and had been licensed since '55
>
> While the ARRL did not list it as a contest, it was regarded as a contest by most all operators - the ARRL also posted the high scorers at the top of each category.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 5/14/2020 2:20 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> Jim,
>> I bet FD in 1957 was a real hoot (at the record peak of the sunspot cycle).
>> (FWIW, I was born in '57, which explains a lot.)
>> Wayne
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Re: KX3/KX2 remote for FD

Grant Youngman-2
I personally prefer a small pocket-sized notepad and an archaic device made from wood and carbon known as a pencil.  Although knowing what a pencil is does require one to be of a “certain age" :-)

And there are smart phone logging apps as well …

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> On May 14, 2020, at 3:22 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
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> How do you manage to keep a log at the same time?
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> Brian VE3GMZ
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Re: KX3/KX2 remote for FD

wayne burdick
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The KX2 has built-in logging of all text sent with the keyer paddle. You can later scroll back through the data and transfer contacts to a formal log.

In practice I stop and log contacts, locations, and conditions on paper, even during FD. Running 10 watts hand-held, every contact is an achievement and an adventure :)  I recommend everyone try it at least once.

Wayne
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> On May 14, 2020, at 12:22 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
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> How do you manage to keep a log at the same time?
>
> Brian VE3GMZ
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>   Original Message  
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> Sent: May 14, 2020 3:05 p.m.
> To: [hidden email]
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> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3/KX2 remote for FD
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>
> Thanks for the memory, Don.
>
> FD has always been a contest to me--more fun than any other. I nearly always operate QRP/portable, sometimes entirely hand-held (with the KX2), dragging a counterpoise wire for miles, up and down hills. (Who needs a gym membership?)
>
> I was 14 at my first FD. I learned some hard lessons about how *not* to put a PL259 connector on RG8. A grizzled veteran laughed at my mess, then showed me The Way.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>
>> On May 14, 2020, at 11:46 AM, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Yes Wayne, it was one of the greatest Field Days of all.  You could track the course of sunlight on 10 meters (which went dead at sundown), and there was a lot of activity.
>> I was 17 in 1957, and had been licensed since '55
>>
>> While the ARRL did not list it as a contest, it was regarded as a contest by most all operators - the ARRL also posted the high scorers at the top of each category.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 5/14/2020 2:20 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>>> Jim,
>>> I bet FD in 1957 was a real hoot (at the record peak of the sunspot cycle).
>>> (FWIW, I was born in '57, which explains a lot.)
>>> Wayne
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Re: KX3/KX2 remote for FD

Rick Bates, NK7I
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If it were NOT a contest, there would be NO reason to post standings in
the QST magazine because 'points' would have no meaning.

Rick NK7I


On 5/14/2020 11:17 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>  From ARRL - At its core, Field Day is a local event and an opportunity for local amateur radio clubs to showcase the skills, science and technologies that make radio communication such a wonderful hobby and a valuable public service.
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> I see nothing about this being a contest.
>
> Bob, K4TAX
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Re: KX3/KX2 remote for FD

Edward R Cole
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I agree with what Bob says:

So a couple comments:
Whether we realize it (or not) the pandemic "is" an emergency, so
this year's FD has different restrictions which may not be supported
by the "contest rules".

15-years as communications chief for an emergency response
organization, the overwhelming reality was every event is different
and response must adjust to the changed circumstances.  I wrote the
"Comm Plan" for each event for ICS.  Now retired eleven years.

IF you operate FD from home you can simulate some issues (like
antenna down or no power).  Or if allowed operating in remote
locations try single-op mobile/portable.

I have a home emergency generator so might simulate loss of power at
home running 100w on 20m & 6m.

Our local club is still planning on a traditional FD (but state
mandates may not allow).

73, Ed - KL7UW

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I agree, specially on the first sentence.?? I've been participating in
FD since the very early '60's.? However it has become a "contest" to see
who and what organization can accumulate the most points.? A contact is
a contact, a multiplier is a mathematical term.??? It has no place in
Field Day operation.


73

Bob, K4TAX


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Re: KX3/KX2 remote for FD

Jim Brown-10
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On 5/14/2020 12:31 PM, Grant Youngman wrote:
> I personally prefer a small pocket-sized notepad and an archaic device made from wood and carbon known as a pencil.  Although knowing what a pencil is does require one to be of a “certain age"

Back in the day when we had to log on paper, we also had to keep paper
dupe sheets, one per band per mode. If you're gonna log on paper, ya
gotta do that too. :)

An important part of EMCOMM is knowing the rules and following them. FD
has rules too, one of them is that you can work a station once per band
per mode.

73, Jim K9YC


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Re: KX3/KX2 remote for FD

Bill Frantz
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I remember my first field day, which was actually fairly
recently (last 25 years). I had joined the West Valley Amateur
Radio Association because I felt I should support a repeater if
I wanted to use repeaters as I traveled around the country and
"west valley" was where my home was located.

Well, the club is seriously into Field Day, with the goal of
having as much fun as possible with as little work as possible.
We try to qualify for all those 100 point items: emergency
power, green power, GOTA, run a class, attract local pols etc. etc.

Anyone who wants to get on the air will have a chance at
operating, with a elmer if they need it. If you have a license,
you can sit in one of the main operating positions. There is
also a very active GOTA station for anyone who walks in off the
trail that passes the location we use on Mora Hill.

Well, that first field day, I had my arm twisted to try PSK on
the digital station. I found that PSK was enough like the
computer chat rooms which had been product of my company that I
could relax and just operate. It was this experience which
changed me from an equipment builder to an operator. (I still
build equipment.)

I moved from there into digital DXing. I caught the contest bug
when I discovered I only needed a few QSOs for DXCC. One
international DX contest pushed me over 100.

I think that year we came in #4 nationally. We always treat the
contest part of field day very seriously as well. It turns out
that many club members are contesters and for them, a high score
is part of having fun. And working with other people to set up a
massive field day operation is fun too.

Where we aren't particularly good is the food. We aren't
permitted to have any kind of fire -- miles of dry grass all
around our location -- so all food is brought up from homes or restaurants.

So for me, the bottom line is: Lets go have fun. And big scores
are a lot of fun.

This year, it doesn't seem likely we will get a permit for Mora
Hill. The general plan is to have everyone see what they can do
by themselves. But, if lightning strikes and the permit comes
through, we will see if we can do an operation with proper
social distancing.

BTW, one comment I have heard from my emcomm buddies is that
although there haven't been any problems with normal
communications (phones, internet etc.) some emcomm people have
been asked to help because they are already familiar with ICS
and working with non-ham emergency workers.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 5/14/20 at 2:10 PM, [hidden email] (Jim Brown) wrote:

>On 5/14/2020 7:56 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>>However it has become a "contest" to see who and what
>>organization can accumulate the most points.  A contact is a
>>contact, a multiplier is a mathematical term.    It has no
>>place in Field Day operation.
>
>My first FD was 1956. It has ALWAYS been a contest. It was my first, and it made me a contester!
>
>73, Jim K9YC

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Re: KX3/KX2 remote for FD

K8TE
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Let's see Bob.  Where are the results posted?  In the Contest section of the
ARRL web site.

How are they listed?  By category and total score.

Who manages FD?  Those who manage ARRL contests?

Are there rules like a contest?  Yes.

Do groups compete against other groups?  Yes.

Is there more to FD than making QSO's?  Yes, somebody told me there was
while I was searching through the results database.

Is saying "Please copy." OK?  Not if you want to make a lot of contacts.

Is FD a great, wonderful, fun way to learn about contesting?  Yes!

Are the words "Not a contest." spoken in jest?  Yes, a large percentage of
the time.

Is it fun to win a category?  Oh yeah!

Is it fun to come in 4th overall?  Oh baby it is!

Is it great to have all Elecraft gear at FD?  No, it's a necessity to do
well if you have more than one rig.  I have been (unwillingly) to the Dark
Side and prefer the ability to have three rigs on the same band, two of them
on SSB, and not experience interference until moving to within 10 kHz.

Will I miss competing with a group of friends?  I certainly will!

Will I still do FD?  Is there anything else to do the fourth weekend of
June?

Will many individuals do it differently than last year?  I hope so!  Follow
your State's Department of Health orders and stay healthy.  This pandemic is
real.  It is not a contest that anyone should take stupid, unsafe steps to
play.  The listings are sad and we are nowhere close to beating this thing!

And please stop whining about the spirit of FD.  We're in the middle of a
pandemic and you're worried about people making too many contacts or
operating differently.  Stay within FD rules, get on-the-air somehow, and
make as many contacts as you can.  If really necessary, enjoy some good food
and drink, but not in mass gatherings however your State/County/City defines
them.  Stay healthy!  HamVention 2021 is around the corner.  Hopefully, I'll
have my K4 before then.

73, Bill, K8TE



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