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[KX3] PCB Layers

Pierre
Hi Elecrafters

Other posts refer to the KX3's PCBs as of the mutilayer type. Does it means "double sided" or are there also other layers inside the PCB? And if so, how many?

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Re: [KX3] PCB Layers

Kevin Stover
On 04/15/2012 07:26 AM, Pierre wrote:
> Hi Elecrafters
>
> Other posts refer to the KX3's PCBs as of the mutilayer type. Does it means "double sided" or are there also other layers inside the PCB? And if so, how many?
>
> 73
I have no idea whether the KX3 uses a multi-layer board or not but it
wouldn't surprise me.
Most all electronics these days use multi-layer boards. The motherboard
in the computer you posted your email with has at least four and
probably six layers.

Multi-layer boards help keep the size down.

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Re: [KX3] PCB Layers

Gary K9GS
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Hello Pierre,

No idea what's inside the KX3 but it's probably a multi-layer PCB.  If
you look very carefully at the edge of the board you can probably count
the layers.  Sometimes it helps if you moisten the edge...it makes it
easier to see the layers.  When I say moisten, that doesn't mean get it
wet.  Just dip you finger in water, shake off the excess, and rub your
finger along the edge.

Multilayer typically means more than 2 layers.



On 4/15/2012 7:26 AM, Pierre wrote:

> Hi Elecrafters
>
> Other posts refer to the KX3's PCBs as of the mutilayer type. Does it means "double sided" or are there also other layers inside the PCB? And if so, how many?
>
> 73
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Re: [KX3] PCB Layers

Niel Skousen-2
given the chipset and technologies, its extraordinarily unlikely that the KX3 is not multi-layer.   The interconnection density and pin arraignments on these chips virtually ensure that multilayer is the only way to build a compatible PCB.   Even the lo-res video's posted todate, show component densities which ensure multi-layer.

Someday, after the shipping backlog is down etc,  It would be VERY VERY interesting to see a KX3 technology presentation.   The management of digital, RF and audio in a very small package on multilayer PCB to achieve the performance of the K3 and KX3 would be fascinating.  Even a layer plan (what functions on which layers) would be of interest.  

Niel

On Apr 15, 2012, at 9:37 AM, Gary K9GS wrote:

> Hello Pierre,
>
> No idea what's inside the KX3 but it's probably a multi-layer PCB.  If
> you look very carefully at the edge of the board you can probably count
> the layers.  Sometimes it helps if you moisten the edge...it makes it
> easier to see the layers.  When I say moisten, that doesn't mean get it
> wet.  Just dip you finger in water, shake off the excess, and rub your
> finger along the edge.
>
> Multilayer typically means more than 2 layers.
>
>
>
> On 4/15/2012 7:26 AM, Pierre wrote:
>> Hi Elecrafters
>>
>> Other posts refer to the KX3's PCBs as of the mutilayer type. Does it means "double sided" or are there also other layers inside the PCB? And if so, how many?
>>
>> 73
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>
> 73,
>
> Gary K9GS
>
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Re: [KX3] PCB Layers

wayne burdick
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Yes, the KX3's PC boards have 4 layers. This is more expensive but  
allows for much cleaner signal routing, including nearly unbroken  
internal ground and power planes. It would be essentially impossible  
to pack a 160-6 meter, state-of-the-art radio in to 1.5 pounds without  
this and other techniques we used.

Wayne
N6KR


On Apr 15, 2012, at 9:09 AM, Niel Skousen wrote:

> given the chipset and technologies, its extraordinarily unlikely  
> that the KX3 is not multi-layer.   The interconnection density and  
> pin arraignments on these chips virtually ensure that multilayer is  
> the only way to build a compatible PCB.   Even the lo-res video's  
> posted todate, show component densities which ensure multi-layer.
>
> Someday, after the shipping backlog is down etc,  It would be VERY  
> VERY interesting to see a KX3 technology presentation.   The  
> management of digital, RF and audio in a very small package on  
> multilayer PCB to achieve the performance of the K3 and KX3 would be  
> fascinating.  Even a layer plan (what functions on which layers)  
> would be of interest.
>
> Niel
>
> On Apr 15, 2012, at 9:37 AM, Gary K9GS wrote:
>
>> Hello Pierre,
>>
>> No idea what's inside the KX3 but it's probably a multi-layer PCB.  
>> If
>> you look very carefully at the edge of the board you can probably  
>> count
>> the layers.  Sometimes it helps if you moisten the edge...it makes it
>> easier to see the layers.  When I say moisten, that doesn't mean  
>> get it
>> wet.  Just dip you finger in water, shake off the excess, and rub  
>> your
>> finger along the edge.
>>
>> Multilayer typically means more than 2 layers.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/15/2012 7:26 AM, Pierre wrote:
>>> Hi Elecrafters
>>>
>>> Other posts refer to the KX3's PCBs as of the mutilayer type. Does  
>>> it means "double sided" or are there also other layers inside the  
>>> PCB? And if so, how many?
>>>
>>> 73
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>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Gary K9GS
>>
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>> Society of Midwest Contesters: http://www.w9smc.com
>> CW Ops #1032   http://www.cwops.org
>>
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