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KX3/PX3 Linux Utilities for Raspberry Pi?

Andy McMullin
Hi All,

I’ve had a go at searching back through the archives, but couldn’t find the question being asked, let alone the answer so here goes….

The Linux versions of the utilities are for an X86-based machine. Has anyone asked for them to be recompiled for an ARM machine? In particular, now that the Raspberry Pi 3 is about — with astounding performance for the price (at only £25) — for Raspbian?

I’ve got my Raspberry Pi 3 running WSJT-X and FLDIGI just fine to my KX3. With a small screen and suitable supply it makes a fine 12v-based portable system. It would be nice, therefore, if I could also use the same small machine for any firmware updates, Macro settings and to work CW etc direct with the KX3.

BUT, is it just me? Anyone else interested?


Regards
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Re: KX3/PX3 Linux Utilities for Raspberry Pi?

Bob Novas
The Pi 3 is very appealing by virtue of space and low cost. I'm interested but for a K3S and P3. Bob, W3DK

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> Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/PX3 Linux Utilities for Raspberry Pi?
>
> Hi All,
>
> I’ve had a go at searching back through the archives, but couldn’t find the
> question being asked, let alone the answer so here goes….
>
> The Linux versions of the utilities are for an X86-based machine. Has anyone
> asked for them to be recompiled for an ARM machine? In particular, now that
> the Raspberry Pi 3 is about — with astounding performance for the price (at only
> £25) — for Raspbian?
>
> I’ve got my Raspberry Pi 3 running WSJT-X and FLDIGI just fine to my KX3. With a
> small screen and suitable supply it makes a fine 12v-based portable system. It
> would be nice, therefore, if I could also use the same small machine for any
> firmware updates, Macro settings and to work CW etc direct with the KX3.
>
> BUT, is it just me? Anyone else interested?
>
> —
> Regards
> Andy, G8TQH
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Re: KX3/PX3 Linux Utilities for Raspberry Pi?

ve3ibw
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Yes, I asked about a year ago.  The answer back was no and Elecraft, at
that time, had no plans to provide an RPi version nor provide the source,
in order for us to build on that platform.

I will throw my hat into the ring and request the Elecraft KX3/PX3
Utilities for the RPi (Raspian - Jessie).  I am moving more and more to the
RPi for all my Ham app needs for the KX-line.  The KX3/PX3 utilities are
the last hold out for me to have a complete set of programs to manage the
KX3/PX3 from the RPi platform.  I have to switch to another computer (x86)
in order to perform any KX3/PX3 utility functions.

regards,
Brian
VE3IBW

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 10:50 AM, Andy McMullin <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I’ve had a go at searching back through the archives, but couldn’t find
> the question being asked, let alone the answer so here goes….
>
> The Linux versions of the utilities are for an X86-based machine. Has
> anyone asked for them to be recompiled for an ARM machine? In particular,
> now that the Raspberry Pi 3 is about — with astounding performance for the
> price (at only £25) — for Raspbian?
>
> I’ve got my Raspberry Pi 3 running WSJT-X and FLDIGI just fine to my KX3.
> With a small screen and suitable supply it makes a fine 12v-based portable
> system. It would be nice, therefore, if I could also use the same small
> machine for any firmware updates, Macro settings and to work CW etc direct
> with the KX3.
>
> BUT, is it just me? Anyone else interested?
>
> —
> Regards
> Andy, G8TQH
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Re: S: Re: KX3/PX3 Linux Utilities for Raspberry Pi?

Andy McMullin
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Hi John (et al),

For my display with this one I’m using the original HDMI-Pi screen — the original was not a touch screen but measures 9 inches on the visible diagonal — with its own PSU (12v into it drives the screen and supplies 5v for the Pi) and case. The bad news is that, although the case looks lovely being made of coloured plastic, it seems to be totally transparent to anything from the Pi/screen that might cause any sort of QRM. Oh well!

The case design is OK but it leaves the USB pointing downwards with little space for the KX3’s USB lump. However, a pair of right-angle USB 3 adapters from Amazon fixed that one for me. Being a Pi-3 I use the internal WiFi for internet and the rest, leaving one USB spare when I have one for wireless keyboard/mouse, one for the the KX3 and one for a Signalink-USB as the soundcard.

I’m using the Ubuntu Mate version of the OS on the Pi and the only issue I have/had with WSJT-X is that it sometimes fails to start at all unless it’s run with administrator privileges. But that’s only happened since the last library update so it’s obviously a permissions thing I’ll need to fix "one day”. As you might guess, at the moment I need the internet for the RTC synchronisation for JT65/JT9. However, I’ve ordered an add-on board that includes a better RTC as well as UPS functionality.

I have another Pi (a Pi 2) with a 5-inch touch-screen from Amazon (actually a company called Waveshare) BUT the screen has its own special drivers which don’t seem to be available for versions of the Pi OS since last May. They’ve made pre-built OS images with all the stuff included available for download but the images are “ancient” (and won’t work right with a Pi 3) and include a load of stuff I don’t want. The company don’t seem to want to respond to requests for driver information either so I’d avoid that particular screen is you can.

Anyway, I hope your experimenting goes well too. Would you vote for the KX3 utility available for the Raspberry Pi?


Regards
Andy, G8TQH



> On 7 Apr 2016, at 16:03, John Pitz <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> I am well on my way toward a similar goal.  Have wsjtx running but am having trouble with it popping up a warning about a missing 'kvasd'.  Have not had the time to rectify that one.  Also plan on once everything is setup the way I like it, making an image file of the card and making the card read only, that way if power is interrupted suddenly the file system will not have any issues.  Been also thinking of making printed circuit boards for such things as RS232 line driver, and one for the IO lines.  May also make one to provide a real time clock.  Not sure though if there would be a market for such a thing.  Hams really don't want to pay much for their equipment(think cheap Chinese radios) so I would have to sell a bazillion of them to make anything back.
>
> For my project I am using a 7" touchscreen.  What are you using for a display?  What about a case?
>
>
>
> On Thu, 2016-04-07 at 15:50 +0100, Andy McMullin wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I’ve had a go at searching back through the archives, but couldn’t find the question being asked, let alone the answer so here goes….
>>
>> The Linux versions of the utilities are for an X86-based machine. Has anyone asked for them to be recompiled for an ARM machine? In particular, now that the Raspberry Pi 3 is about — with astounding performance for the price (at only £25) — for Raspbian?
>>
>> I’ve got my Raspberry Pi 3 running WSJT-X and FLDIGI just fine to my KX3. With a small screen and suitable supply it makes a fine 12v-based portable system. It would be nice, therefore, if I could also use the same small machine for any firmware updates, Macro settings and to work CW etc direct with the KX3.
>>
>> BUT, is it just me? Anyone else interested?
>>
>> —
>> Regards
>> Andy, G8TQH  
>> ______________________________________________________________


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Re: S: Re: KX3/PX3 Linux Utilities for Raspberry Pi?

lstavenhagen
Maybe after it settles down a bit more Elecraft might look at supporting it? I wish I had the spare brain cycles to play with one of these, looks like a lot of bang/buck....

Do the linux distros for it come with the dev. toolchains like GCC in them (I would imagine it's now matured past having to cross-compile binaries for it on PCs) ? How's the Python support?

Oh well, back to my K2 build!

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Re: KX3/PX3 Linux Utilities for Raspberry Pi?

John Pitz
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I would find a KX3 utility program targeting the Pi to be helpful too.
I would find it especially helpful if the KX3 utility was made open
source, then we could compile it for any platform we wish.  Plus, I
could take care of a certain, irksome programming error...


On Thu, 2016-04-07 at 15:50 +0100, Andy McMullin wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I’ve had a go at searching back through the archives, but couldn’t find the question being asked, let alone the answer so here goes….
>
> The Linux versions of the utilities are for an X86-based machine. Has anyone asked for them to be recompiled for an ARM machine? In particular, now that the Raspberry Pi 3 is about — with astounding performance for the price (at only £25) — for Raspbian?
>
> I’ve got my Raspberry Pi 3 running WSJT-X and FLDIGI just fine to my KX3. With a small screen and suitable supply it makes a fine 12v-based portable system. It would be nice, therefore, if I could also use the same small machine for any firmware updates, Macro settings and to work CW etc direct with the KX3.
>
> BUT, is it just me? Anyone else interested?
>
> —
> Regards
> Andy, G8TQH  
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Re: KX3/PX3 Linux Utilities for Raspberry Pi?

Bruce Nourish
On this mailing list, I recently requested a similar thing, namely a
cross-platform command-line firmware updater for all Elecraft devices,
specifically one that includes Raspbian. I did not get a response from
anyone at Elecraft. Obviously, my suggestion is not quite the same thing as
what Andy is asking for, but it must be very clear at this point that
plenty of people have their rigs hooked up to their RPi's, and it would be
nice to have some Elecraft software for that use.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 5:23 PM John Pitz <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I would find a KX3 utility program targeting the Pi to be helpful too.
> I would find it especially helpful if the KX3 utility was made open
> source, then we could compile it for any platform we wish.  Plus, I
> could take care of a certain, irksome programming error...
>
>
> On Thu, 2016-04-07 at 15:50 +0100, Andy McMullin wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I’ve had a go at searching back through the archives, but couldn’t find
> the question being asked, let alone the answer so here goes….
> >
> > The Linux versions of the utilities are for an X86-based machine. Has
> anyone asked for them to be recompiled for an ARM machine? In particular,
> now that the Raspberry Pi 3 is about — with astounding performance for the
> price (at only £25) — for Raspbian?
> >
> > I’ve got my Raspberry Pi 3 running WSJT-X and FLDIGI just fine to my
> KX3. With a small screen and suitable supply it makes a fine 12v-based
> portable system. It would be nice, therefore, if I could also use the same
> small machine for any firmware updates, Macro settings and to work CW etc
> direct with the KX3.
> >
> > BUT, is it just me? Anyone else interested?
> >
> > —
> > Regards
> > Andy, G8TQH
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Re: S: Re: KX3/PX3 Linux Utilities for Raspberry Pi?

Nate Bargmann
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* On 2016 07 Apr 11:19 -0500, lstavenhagen wrote:
> Maybe after it settles down a bit more Elecraft might look at supporting it?
> I wish I had the spare brain cycles to play with one of these, looks like a
> lot of bang/buck....

At this time not even amd64 builds of the Elecraft tools have been made
available so I run them in a i386 VirtualBox instance of Debian Jessie
on the odd occasion I need to use them.

> Do the linux distros for it come with the dev. toolchains like GCC in them
> (I would imagine it's now matured past having to cross-compile binaries for
> it on PCs) ?

They're not usually installed by default but are available via the
package manager of choice (in my case that is Aptitude).  As I recall
the build-essentials package is a meta package that includes most common
build tools as dependencies.

> How's the Python support?

The Pi Foundation has made sure that the Python support is very good.

73, Nate

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Re: KX3/PX3 Linux Utilities for Raspberry Pi?

Bill Frantz
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I have a BeagleBone Black based system set up for low power
portable operation in digital modes that I built in 2014.
(Information and photos available on request.) When I last
considered asking Elecraft for ARM versions of the utilities, I
thought the number of possible users was too small to be worth
their while. The number seems to be growing, so now it may
depend on how hard it is to support all the ARM platforms, or at
least the most popular ones.

73 Bill AE6JV

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>I’ve got my Raspberry Pi 3 running WSJT-X and FLDIGI just
>fine to my KX3. With a small screen and suitable supply it
>makes a fine 12v-based portable system. It would be nice,
>therefore, if I could also use the same small machine for any
>firmware updates, Macro settings and to work CW etc direct with
>the KX3.
>
>BUT, is it just me? Anyone else interested?
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lstavenhagen
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Hi Nate,
I wasn't aware the Windows version was still on x86, but I'm not terribly surprised. It might look trivial from the outside looking in, but MS charges a fortune for their dev tools. So maybe Elecraft isn't going to spring for the X64/amd64 cross-compilers and libs until x86 emulation finally drops off all the old Windows variants. And there may be portability issues that would require extra work that we don't know about too.

Not quite like gcc-based toolchains where you can find a backend for almost any processor out there and it's free too....

Still looks like the Rasperry Pi is an interesting device...

73,
LS
W5QD

Nate Bargmann wrote
* On 2016 07 Apr 11:19 -0500, lstavenhagen wrote:
> Maybe after it settles down a bit more Elecraft might look at supporting it?
> I wish I had the spare brain cycles to play with one of these, looks like a
> lot of bang/buck....

At this time not even amd64 builds of the Elecraft tools have been made
available so I run them in a i386 VirtualBox instance of Debian Jessie
on the odd occasion I need to use them.

> Do the linux distros for it come with the dev. toolchains like GCC in them
> (I would imagine it's now matured past having to cross-compile binaries for
> it on PCs) ?

They're not usually installed by default but are available via the
package manager of choice (in my case that is Aptitude).  As I recall
the build-essentials package is a meta package that includes most common
build tools as dependencies.

> How's the Python support?

The Pi Foundation has made sure that the Python support is very good.

73, Nate

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Re: KX3/PX3 Linux Utilities for Raspberry Pi?

John Hendricks-2
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Add me to this lengthening list of RPi
users that would like a download of the utilities for my Pi.

John K7JLT
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Doug Kingston
Add me to the list too.  They should consider open-sourcing the software
and they would probably get help with porting, features and bug fixes.

-Doug-

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Re: S: Re: KX3/PX3 Linux Utilities for Raspberry Pi?

Nate Bargmann
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* On 2016 07 Apr 16:22 -0500, lstavenhagen wrote:
> Hi Nate,
> I wasn't aware the Windows version was still on x86, but I'm not terribly
> surprised. It might look trivial from the outside looking in, but MS charges
> a fortune for their dev tools. So maybe Elecraft isn't going to spring for
> the X64/amd64 cross-compilers and libs until x86 emulation finally drops off
> all the old Windows variants. And there may be portability issues that would
> require extra work that we don't know about too.

Windows?  I thought we were talking about Linux!  At least that is what
I inferred from the thread.

I was specifically referring to the present Linux utility tarball on the
Elecraft download page.  It is for the i386 architecture only.

> Not quite like gcc-based toolchains where you can find a backend for almost
> any processor out there and it's free too....

That's what I was referring to.

> Still looks like the Rasperry Pi is an interesting device...

Yes, it does have limitations that are discussed elsewhere.

73, Nate

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lstavenhagen
Ah, never mind, my mistake. I've never used the Linux version at all, so I know even less about that one lol. But yes there's much less of an excuse there, since 64bit support has been in the Intel-based gcc tools forever....

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Brendon Whateley
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Put me on that list. I've got a couple of RPis and am looking to get a new
model 3 for all my digital modes.

- Brendon

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Doug Kingston <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Add me to the list too.  They should consider open-sourcing the software
> and they would probably get help with porting, features and bug fixes.
>
> -Doug-
>
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Re: KX3/PX3 Linux Utilities for Raspberry Pi?

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On Thu, 2016-04-07 at 18:10 -0700, Brendon Whateley wrote:

> Put me on that list. I've got a couple of RPis and am looking to get
> a new
> model 3 for all my digital modes.
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> - Brendon
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> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Doug Kingston <[hidden email]>
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> > Add me to the list too.  They should consider open-sourcing the
> > software
> > and they would probably get help with porting, features and bug
> > fixes.
> >
> > -Doug-
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 2:20 PM, John K7JLT <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
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> > >
> > > Add me to this lengthening list of RPi
> > > users that would like a download of the utilities for my Pi.
> > >
> > > John K7JLT
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Re: KX3/PX3 Linux Utilities for Raspberry Pi?

Erlend Grimseid
Add me to the list also.
Both for the pi and x86 Linux.

Or just open source it and it will sort it selves out.

Only thing is. If it's compiled from source by some 3rd party Elecraft can
most certainly not be held responsible for the software bricking your radio
or what ever Elecraft product you are trying to update.

The best thing would be for Elecraft to compile and quality control it
their selves.

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Re: KX3/PX3 Linux Utilities for Raspberry Pi?

Gary Gregory-2
Don't see Elecraft open sourcing their utility anytime soon and I reckon the reason is fairly obvious.
Of course I could be wrong but I don't think I am too far off the mark.
Just thinkin'
Gary

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3/PX3 Linux Utilities for Raspberry Pi?

Add me to the list also.
Both for the pi and x86 Linux.

Or just open source it and it will sort it selves out.

Only thing is. If it's compiled from source by some 3rd party Elecraft can
most certainly not be held responsible for the software bricking your radio
or what ever Elecraft product you are trying to update.

The best thing would be for Elecraft to compile and quality control it
their selves.

73

Erlend
La4tta.
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Re: KX3/PX3 Linux Utilities for Raspberry Pi?

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Me as well, have a RPi3 on order


Paul K2PH


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Add me to this lengthening list of RPi
users that would like a download of the utilities for my Pi.

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Re: KX3/PX3 Linux Utilities for Raspberry Pi?

Kurt
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Please add me to this list as well.
I have some 'remoted' KX-3s that are connected to Raspberry Pis. I use VNC to access Fldigi running on the Pis. I have no way to update the firmware or, more importantly, save and restore the config data for the KX-3s.
I run Raspbian Jessie.
Thanks for considering this Elecraft.
kk
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