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[KX3] QSO of the week (and a re-learned QRP SSB tip

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ANDY DURBIN

[KX3] QSO of the week (and a re-learned QRP SSB tip

"/QRP often, but not always, indicates a field operation, and they're sort of fun to work, at least for me."

And sometimes it means someone running 5 W to a 6 ele Yagi at 75 ft! That station has far higher ERP that I do running 100 W with my modest antennas.

If I was portable in UK, where had my first licence, my call was g3wyc/p. US operators have completely butchered and obfuscated the meaning of portable by verbalizing k3wyc/7 as "k3wyc portable 7". The /7 suffix does not mean I am portable. It just means I'm operating in region 7 and I'm saying so because it is required for the contest in which I'm operating.

If you want special attention because you are portable why not indicate portable rather than QRP?

73,

Andy k3wyc
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k6dgw

Re: [KX3] QSO of the week (and a re-learned QRP SSB tip

Yes, one never knows for sure until one makes contact and asks. If
precision matters, K3WYC/QRP/SIXEL/75FT is compliant with 47CFR97 and
would cover all those bases. [:-)

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/2/2018 11:19 AM, ANDY DURBIN wrote:

> "/QRP often, but not always, indicates a field operation, and they're sort of fun to work, at least for me."
>
>
> And sometimes it means someone running 5 W to a 6 ele Yagi at 75 ft! That station has far higher ERP that I do running 100 W with my modest antennas.
>
>
> If I was portable in UK, where had my first licence, my call was g3wyc/p. US operators have completely butchered and obfuscated the meaning of portable by verbalizing k3wyc/7 as "k3wyc portable 7". The /7 suffix does not mean I am portable. It just means I'm operating in region 7 and I'm saying so because it is required for the contest in which I'm operating.
>
>
> If you want special attention because you are portable why not indicate portable rather than QRP?
>
>
> 73,
>
> Andy k3wyc
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Ronnie Hull

Re: [KX3] QSO of the week (and a re-learned QRP SSB tip

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It’s always the fault of the U.S. Amateurs

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> On Jul 2, 2018, at 1:19 PM, ANDY DURBIN <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> "/QRP often, but not always, indicates a field operation, and they're sort of fun to work, at least for me."
>
>
> And sometimes it means someone running 5 W to a 6 ele Yagi at 75 ft! That station has far higher ERP that I do running 100 W with my modest antennas.
>
>
> If I was portable in UK, where had my first licence, my call was g3wyc/p. US operators have completely butchered and obfuscated the meaning of portable by verbalizing k3wyc/7 as "k3wyc portable 7". The /7 suffix does not mean I am portable. It just means I'm operating in region 7 and I'm saying so because it is required for the contest in which I'm operating.
>
>
> If you want special attention because you are portable why not indicate portable rather than QRP?
>
>
> 73,
>
> Andy k3wyc
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Wes Stewart-2

Re: [KX3] QSO of the week (and a re-learned QRP SSB tip

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Seem like much to do about nothing.

How about "stroke 7" or "slant 7"?

If I didn't need to get more QSLs with the call, I would use N7WS/60 this year,
for my sixtieth year in ham radio.

Here's what the FCC thinks about the subject:

"In addition to the special event call sign system, any amateur station,
including a special event station, may include with its assigned call sign one
or more indicators (example "W1AW/national convention"). Each indicator must be
separated from the assigned call sign by a slant ("/") or any suitable word that
denotes the slant mark ("portable," "stroke," etc.). If the indicator is
self-assigned, it must be included before, after, or both before and after, the
assigned call sign (example "KP2/W1AW/contest"). No self-assigned indicator may
conflict with any other indicator specified by the FCC Rules (such as "AA",
"AG", "AE" or "KT") or with any prefix assigned to another country (such as
"DL", "F", "G" or "VE")."

Wes N7WS/60

On 7/2/2018 11:19 AM, ANDY DURBIN wrote:

ANDY DURBIN

[KX3] QSO of the week (and a re-learned QRP SSB tip

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"How about "stroke 7" or "slant 7"?"

I verbalize k3wyc/7 as k3wyc slant seven. What I'm asking is - why don't stations who are actually operating portable use "slant papa"? I'm suggesting that the reason may be that "portable" is so extensively misused.

73,

Andy k3wyc
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k6dgw

Re: [KX3] QSO of the week (and a re-learned QRP SSB tip

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Which of course makes /M ["I'm on wheels"] and /MM ["I'm afloat"]
non-compliant, all the M's belong to the UK. Attention pilots: /AM
["I'm aloft"] is also non-compliant since AM belongs to Spain. /R ["I'm
a repeater], /B ["I'm a beacon"], and /PM ["I'm walkin and talkin"] are
too, all the R's are Russian, the B's Chinese, and PM belongs to
Indonesia. /P is probably compliant since the P's are split between
multiple countries and always have a second number/letter. No prefixes
start with Q so /QRP is compliant. So is /QSD ["I can't send for
beans"]. Interesting that the SOTA folk never [almost] use /QRP or
/<anything>. I guess the assumption is that if you've carried your
station up a mountain and call CQ SOTA, odds are high you're in the
field and likely did not drag a generator along. I don't believe anyone
has done time in the "Gated Community for the Ethically Challenged" for
violations of this however.

Personally, I don't care what indicators you use as long as I can find
your call in there somewhere.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/2/2018 12:49 PM, Wes Stewart wrote:

> Seem like much to do about nothing.
>
> How about "stroke 7" or "slant 7"?
>
> If I didn't need to get more QSLs with the call, I would use N7WS/60
> this year, for my sixtieth year in ham radio.
>
> Here's what the FCC thinks about the subject:
>
> "In addition to the special event call sign system, any amateur
> station, including a special event station, may include with its
> assigned call sign one or more indicators (example "W1AW/national
> convention"). Each indicator must be separated from the assigned call
> sign by a slant ("/") or any suitable word that denotes the slant mark
> ("portable," "stroke," etc.). If the indicator is self-assigned, it
> must be included before, after, or both before and after, the assigned
> call sign (example "KP2/W1AW/contest"). No self-assigned indicator may
> conflict with any other indicator specified by the FCC Rules (such as
> "AA", "AG", "AE" or "KT") or with any prefix assigned to another
> country (such as "DL", "F", "G" or "VE")."
>
> Wes N7WS/60

a45wg-2

Re: [KX3] QSO of the week (and a re-learned QRP SSB tip

In reply to this post by Wes Stewart-2

This is something that the Oman Radio Society asks all members to do for a month starting on "National Day" (Read 4th July)

What a pain in the a**e !!! for example "a45wg/ND48" (National-Day 48th Year). It is totally meaningless for 99% of all hams.

I like the /qrp if they truly are qrp

I now get down from my soap-box

73s all

Tim

> On Jul 3, 2018, at 3:49 AM, Wes Stewart <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Seem like much to do about nothing.
>
> How about "stroke 7" or "slant 7"?
>
> If I didn't need to get more QSLs with the call, I would use N7WS/60 this year, for my sixtieth year in ham radio.
>
> Here's what the FCC thinks about the subject:
>
> "In addition to the special event call sign system, any amateur station, including a special event station, may include with its assigned call sign one or more indicators (example "W1AW/national convention"). Each indicator must be separated from the assigned call sign by a slant ("/") or any suitable word that denotes the slant mark ("portable," "stroke," etc.). If the indicator is self-assigned, it must be included before, after, or both before and after, the assigned call sign (example "KP2/W1AW/contest"). No self-assigned indicator may conflict with any other indicator specified by the FCC Rules (such as "AA", "AG", "AE" or "KT") or with any prefix assigned to another country (such as "DL", "F", "G" or "VE")."
>
> Wes N7WS/60
>
>
>
> On 7/2/2018 11:19 AM, ANDY DURBIN wrote:
>> "/QRP often, but not always, indicates a field operation, and they're sort of fun to work, at least for me."
>>
>>
>> And sometimes it means someone running 5 W to a 6 ele Yagi at 75 ft! That station has far higher ERP that I do running 100 W with my modest antennas.
>>
>>
>> If I was portable in UK, where had my first licence, my call was g3wyc/p. US operators have completely butchered and obfuscated the meaning of portable by verbalizing k3wyc/7 as "k3wyc portable 7". The /7 suffix does not mean I am portable. It just means I'm operating in region 7 and I'm saying so because it is required for the contest in which I'm operating.
>>
>>
>> If you want special attention because you are portable why not indicate portable rather than QRP?
>>
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Andy k3wyc
>
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David Gilbert

Re: [KX3] QSO of the week (and a re-learned QRP SSB tip

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It works the other way as well. There are often other weak signals in
the pileup, either due to marginal antennas or poor propagation or being
off the side of the pileup operator's beam. An op signing "/QRP" makes
it sound like he thinks he should get special treatment when in fact
there are perfectly valid reasons why other signals might be as weak as
his. It has always seemed boorish to me.

I'm admittedly primarily a contester, but in my experience signing
"/QRP" has always been considered bad practice and I've heard pileup
operators tell callers to quit doing it or go away. I do the same when
running.

Dave AB7E

>
> On 7/2/2018 11:19 AM, ANDY DURBIN wrote:
>> "/QRP often, but not always, indicates a field operation, and they're
>> sort of fun to work, at least for me."
>>
>>
>> And sometimes it means someone running 5 W to a 6 ele Yagi at 75 ft!
>> That station has far higher ERP that I do running 100 W with my
>> modest antennas.
>>
>>
>> If I was portable in UK, where had my first licence, my call was
>> g3wyc/p. US operators have completely butchered and obfuscated the
>> meaning of portable by verbalizing k3wyc/7 as "k3wyc portable 7". The
>> /7 suffix does not mean I am portable. It just means I'm operating in
>> region 7 and I'm saying so because it is required for the contest in
>> which I'm operating.
>>
>>
>> If you want special attention because you are portable why not
>> indicate portable rather than QRP?
>>
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Andy k3wyc

Dave New, N8SBE

Re: [KX3] QSO of the week (and a re-learned QRP SSB tip

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