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Chris Tate - N6WM

Re: KX3 and P3 Adapter

Forgive me if this was previously shared.. Just curious about this interface.. IQ out > Griffin IMIC > Camera USB adapter > Ipad ?? this would make a cool field panadapter... maybe even with an Iphone.

~Chris
N6WM

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From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft [[hidden email]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:04 AM
To: Edward R Cole
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 and P3 Adapter

We were showing an iPad running iSDR for the panadapter with the Griffin
iMic audio interface between the iPad and the KX3's IQ output.

73,

Eric
elecraft.com

On 5/22/2013 8:45 AM, Edward R Cole wrote:

> Eric and all:
>
> I recall seeing a KX3 at the Elecraft Booth running a spectrum display
> with a tablet and thought: "When was this added?". I guess this is
> the HDSDR or iSDR sw panadapter?
>
> Even though I use many soundcard based sw, there lurks many more round
> the corner, apparently.
>
> Speaking of such, I would love to hear recommendations of sw that run
> psk-31 on the K3. I have mine fully integrated with my computer Dell
> 2.33 duo-core, XP32-SP3. USB/RS232 conversion cable from Elecraft is
> used.
>
> I am also interested in psk-31 sw that will run under win-8 pro to use
> with my KX3 at FD.
>
> Sorry, wandered far from the original topic.
>
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
>
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Jeff Ellis

Re: KX3 and P3 Adapter

That is exactly how it works for me... Works with iPad or iPhone. I am
using the lighting version of the camera adapter with my iPad Mini even.

Jeff, K7GDE

On Wednesday, May 22, 2013, Chris Tate - N6WM wrote:

> Forgive me if this was previously shared.. Just curious about this
> interface.. IQ out > Griffin IMIC > Camera USB adapter > Ipad ?? this
> would make a cool field panadapter... maybe even with an Iphone.
>
> ~Chris
> N6WM
>
> ________________________________________
> From: [hidden email] <javascript:;> [
> [hidden email] <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Eric Swartz
> - WA6HHQ, Elecraft [[hidden email] <javascript:;>]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:04 AM
> To: Edward R Cole
> Cc: [hidden email] <javascript:;>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 and P3 Adapter
>
> We were showing an iPad running iSDR for the panadapter with the Griffin
> iMic audio interface between the iPad and the KX3's IQ output.
>
> 73,
>
> Eric
> elecraft.com
>

Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604

Re: KX3 and P3 Adapter

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Is there an Android equivalent?
73, doug

On 22-May-13 17:04, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:

> We were showing an iPad running iSDR for the panadapter with the Griffin
> iMic audio interface between the iPad and the KX3's IQ output.
>
> 73,
>
> Eric
> elecraft.com
>
> On 5/22/2013 8:45 AM, Edward R Cole wrote:
>> Eric and all:
>>
>> I recall seeing a KX3 at the Elecraft Booth running a spectrum display
>> with a tablet and thought: "When was this added?". I guess this is
>> the HDSDR or iSDR sw panadapter?
>>
>> Even though I use many soundcard based sw, there lurks many more round
>> the corner, apparently.
>>
>> Speaking of such, I would love to hear recommendations of sw that run
>> psk-31 on the K3. I have mine fully integrated with my computer Dell
>> 2.33 duo-core, XP32-SP3. USB/RS232 conversion cable from Elecraft is
>> used.
>>
>> I am also interested in psk-31 sw that will run under win-8 pro to use
>> with my KX3 at FD.
>>
>> Sorry, wandered far from the original topic.
>>
>> 73, Ed - KL7UW
>>
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Chris Tate - N6WM

Re: KX3 and P3 Adapter

In reply to this post by Jeff Ellis

Thanks Jeff. Ill hit up Amazon for the parts.. This is really worth giving a whirl.. battery powered mini pan adapter with KX3.. very cool.

~C./N6WM

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From: Jeff Ellis [[hidden email]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:54 AM
To: Chris Tate - N6WM
Cc: [hidden email]; Edward R Cole; [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 and P3 Adapter

That is exactly how it works for me... Works with iPad or iPhone. I am using the lighting version of the camera adapter with my iPad Mini even.

Jeff, K7GDE

On Wednesday, May 22, 2013, Chris Tate - N6WM wrote:
Forgive me if this was previously shared.. Just curious about this interface.. IQ out > Griffin IMIC > Camera USB adapter > Ipad ?? this would make a cool field panadapter... maybe even with an Iphone.

~Chris
N6WM

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 and P3 Adapter

We were showing an iPad running iSDR for the panadapter with the Griffin
iMic audio interface between the iPad and the KX3's IQ output.

73,

Eric
elecraft.com<http://elecraft.com>
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Christian AK4VV

Re: KX3 and P3 Adapter

In reply to this post by Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ

Eric,

Do you have a recommendation for isolating the audio lines when operating
portable? In the past, I have had issues getting noise around center freq
particularly.

Homebrew, DIY, don't care. Looking for small, lightweight and effective.

Thank you!

73,
Christian
AK4VV
On May 22, 2013 1:04 PM, "Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft" <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> We were showing an iPad running iSDR for the panadapter with the Griffin
> iMic audio interface between the iPad and the KX3's IQ output.
>
> 73,
>
> Eric
> elecraft.com
>
> On 5/22/2013 8:45 AM, Edward R Cole wrote:
>
>> Eric and all:
>>
>> I recall seeing a KX3 at the Elecraft Booth running a spectrum display
>> with a tablet and thought: "When was this added?". I guess this is the
>> HDSDR or iSDR sw panadapter?
>>
>> Even though I use many soundcard based sw, there lurks many more round
>> the corner, apparently.
>>
>> Speaking of such, I would love to hear recommendations of sw that run
>> psk-31 on the K3. I have mine fully integrated with my computer Dell 2.33
>> duo-core, XP32-SP3. USB/RS232 conversion cable from Elecraft is used.
>>
>> I am also interested in psk-31 sw that will run under win-8 pro to use
>> with my KX3 at FD.
>>
>> Sorry, wandered far from the original topic.
>>
>> 73, Ed - KL7UW
>>
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KM4VX

Re: KX3 and P3 Adapter

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Must be some interest in the topic!! I have a line connected from the I/Q output of the KX3 (with the menu ON) into my PC sound card, line in. Nothing happens using the HDSDR software on the waterfall although I can control the KX3. Not receiving signals, just noise. Question: What sound cards are people finding useful? My generic Realistic PC sound card is apparently inadequate. The Creative Labs E MU0202 which is popular seems out of stock most places. While I would prefer a P3 setup, that doesn't look like its going to happen so I would like to abuse my PC a bit and try out what is available now. Thanks

KE6BB

Re: KX3 and P3 Adapter

Even with a cheap soundcard, you should be able to see something other than noise...unless the band is dead. Can you tune around the band and hear signals on the KX3? If not, you aren't going to see anything on the PC. A lower quality soundcard should not limit WHAT is displayed, but it will probably display things that aren't really there as a result of ground loops, dc-offset in the card, etc. Those thing usually don't move as you tune the KX3 since they are introduced downstream of the radio. Real RF signals will move as you re-tune the radio.

I don't use HDSDR, but have in the past using Softrock radios. Getting it set up properly can be difficult because it has lots of options. I was active in the Softrock Yahoo group several years ago, and most everyone would use Rocky SDR software (www.dxatlas.com/Rocky) to get their radios up and running. If you can get Rocky to access the soundcard (it requires exclusive access), then it will faithfully display what it sees at the mic or line input of the PC. It is a rock solid program <blushing at the pun> with a really great frequency domain display. Unfortunately, it can't control the KX3, so I use it as a pan adapter only with FLDIGI as my main program (they both run at the same time).

A good way to test is with a separate signal source rather than relying on signals on the bands. I use an old Norcal signal generator which generates signals every 5 khz. When I see these signals, and they move when I tune the radio, I know I am demodulating the IQ stream.

Don't hesitate to come back hear and ask more questions. I am sure some of the folks using HDSDR can help...or give Rocky a try.

Mark
KE6BB

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From: KM4VX <[hidden email]>
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Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 and P3 Adapter

... Not receiving signals, just noise. Question: What sound cards are
people finding useful? My generic Realistic PC sound card is apparently
inadequate...
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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: KX3 and P3 Adapter

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Ron,

Try using the Mic In on your soundcard. The I/Q signal levels are
rather low.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/22/2013 4:27 PM, KM4VX wrote:

> Must be some interest in the topic!! I have a line connected from the I/Q
> output of the KX3 (with the menu ON) into my PC sound card, line in. Nothing
> happens using the HDSDR software on the waterfall although I can control the
> KX3. Not receiving signals, just noise. Question: What sound cards are
> people finding useful? My generic Realistic PC sound card is apparently
> inadequate. The Creative Labs E MU0202 which is popular seems out of stock
> most places. While I would prefer a P3 setup, that doesn't look like its
> going to happen so I would like to abuse my PC a bit and try out what is
> available now. Thanks
>

Nr4c

Re: KX3 and P3 Adapter

My computer has stero lineIn, but mono mic. I found that the iMIC worked
great for this use. I originally got it for the iPAD, but works with the PC
as well.

...bill nr4c

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 2:47 PM
To: KM4VX
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 and P3 Adapter

Ron,

Try using the Mic In on your soundcard. The I/Q signal levels are
rather low.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/22/2013 4:27 PM, KM4VX wrote:
> Must be some interest in the topic!! I have a line connected from the I/Q
> output of the KX3 (with the menu ON) into my PC sound card, line in.
Nothing
> happens using the HDSDR software on the waterfall although I can control
the
> KX3. Not receiving signals, just noise. Question: What sound cards are
> people finding useful? My generic Realistic PC sound card is apparently
> inadequate. The Creative Labs E MU0202 which is popular seems out of stock
> most places. While I would prefer a P3 setup, that doesn't look like its
> going to happen so I would like to abuse my PC a bit and try out what is
> available now. Thanks
>

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Richard Fjeld

Re: KX3 and P3 Adapter

In reply to this post by Jeff Ellis

I'm curious as to the band width of the pan-adapter display when you do this?

Dick, n0ce

----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Ellis
To: Chris Tate - N6WM
Cc: Edward R Cole ; [hidden email] ; [hidden email]
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 and P3 Adapter

That is exactly how it works for me... Works with iPad or iPhone. I am
using the lighting version of the camera adapter with my iPad Mini even.

Jeff, K7GDE

On Wednesday, May 22, 2013, Chris Tate - N6WM wrote:

> Forgive me if this was previously shared.. Just curious about this
> interface.. IQ out > Griffin IMIC > Camera USB adapter > Ipad ?? this
> would make a cool field panadapter... maybe even with an Iphone.
>
> ~Chris
> N6WM
>
> ________________________________________
> From: [hidden email] <javascript:;> [
> [hidden email] <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Eric Swartz
> - WA6HHQ, Elecraft [[hidden email] <javascript:;>]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:04 AM
> To: Edward R Cole
> Cc: [hidden email] <javascript:;>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 and P3 Adapter
>
> We were showing an iPad running iSDR for the panadapter with the Griffin
> iMic audio interface between the iPad and the KX3's IQ output.
>
> 73,
>
> Eric
> elecraft.com
>
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KM4VX

Re: KX3 and P3 Adapter

In reply to this post by Jeff Ellis

Thanks to all for the interesting ideas. I am now using the KX3 I/Q output to my PC line in (works equally well to mic input in rear) and the simple NaP3 software. Works great for panadapter and controlling the rig. I have ordered the inexpensive iMic soundcard to see if there will be any difference. I tried the HDSDR and other free software programs out there, but in the absence of operation manuals I found the screen for the HDSDR panadapter incomprehensible (full disclosure here;could not relate all the differfent lines and screens to anything useful for me anyway) Now that I have solved my problem I will probably never use it since I find using a PC to run a panadapter a waste of space and resources. Look forward to one day seeing an adapter for the KX3-P3 combo, and I see many others out here would also make the same investment. I do not go portable with my KX3 but enjoy QRP and the radio. 73 Ron