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Rich NE1EE

Re: KX3 microphone nut size

I enjoy cooking and baking. All my recipes are in metric, and based on mass where ever I can, to get away from "cups", etc.
I am an amateur woodworker, and all my work is metric. A while back I completed a table with nearly 100 unique angles (trust me, it looks fine ;-)...all the while being told that a) I couldn't do it at all, and b) if I could, not in metric!!!
I had a guy at the place where I buy wood remark that wood was coming in "weird" dimensions! When I got home, I measured it and found that it was exact metric dimensions.
Mixing shellac is way easier in metric. You should see the hoops that you jump through using USCU.
My ham buddies are constantly remarking "oh, yeah, you use that metric stuff" when I mention that my antenna is a 40m EF. Doesn't that make more sense when I think of the bands it might work on?

***It's just a difficulty making the transition...then it's easier. I'll bet you could get everyone in the US to criticise the use of pounds, shilling, pence, and so on, when compared to the dollar in base 10...but turn the discussion to a general one of metric, and I get "but it's so confusing" all the time...is it really easier to remember conversions of feet and inches to metric for antennas? I was calculating an antenna dimension the other day, and it came to 1780mm...which is 1.78m...no fancy math involved. Imagine me calculating that in feet, and then converting to some precise measurement...I don't have a tape measure marked in decimal feet.

I bought a 30m tape that winds up into a case. It has been working fine for many years.

With regard to "12 has more factors than 10" in another post, I suggest that this is a matter of habit. Being able to divide 12 so many ways doesn't necessarily make it more useful, I opine, just more familiar. In grammar school, I had to learn a bunch of yard-foot-mile-etc conversions, but in SI, it's all base ten. I can divide 1780mm any way I want. In fact, a friend of mine who is a builder came to me for help one day calculating distances to do with an unusual roof angle. Showing him how to use his calculator to do the calcs was the easy part...the hard part was translating 20 feet 3 3/16 inches to decimal so that he could do the math, then convert that back to feet and inches. There are, I hear, calculators specifically designed to do this sort of math. Talk about a niche product.

I too a piece of heavy glass (amateur photographer equipment) to a glass place to be split in 2. You should have seen the effort to measure in USCU and divide accurately by 2, without decimals. A snap in metric.

0C as a freezing point makes so much more sense than 32F. And yes all my house temperatures report in C. And I use ISO dates yyyy-mm-dd, and 24hr time. Can't tell you the number of times there was confusion because someone was not sure if a time for some event was 8am or pm, when the context could go either way.

***I don't say that converting our brains is easy, especially when we have learned something so fundamental as distance and volume in our youth...drilled into us, as it were. But the effort is so well worth it. I completely empathize with those who are still USCU, and find it a struggle to move to metric. The hardest unit for me is big distances. I still feel more comfortable estimating some distance as 3 miles than as 5km. Even that would be easier if the country just bit the bullet and set a time limit on moving to metric. Then we'd all be on the same page.

There are some illusions. Say I know that I need to go 15 miles, and I can do it at 60 mph. Neat, right? But what if I need to go 13 miles at 45 mph? (OK, those of us who do math estimating easily in our heads find this trivial.) But we fall into the habit of creating such shortcuts. I am much more likely to estimate a 13 or 14 mile trip as 15, so the math is easier. And 60 mph is a mile/minute, also convenient. But I could as easily get used to doing 100kph, and then saying that 50k will take 30 minutes. Driving around metric countries, it doesn't take long to see that all the speeds are in metric-friendly units, not something like 96.6 kph.

I do a lot of my own work, such as maintaining my motorcycles and such...so I have 2 sets of tools. Sigh. there was a time when I could get metric items more easily at HD, but several years ago they switched to carrying far fewer metric items.

On 2020-08-28 19:12:-0700, Fred Jensen wrote:

>In my teens, there was metric, confined to meters [or metres] used by amateur radio operators, and all the rest: inches, feet, pounds, gallons, quarts, cups, teaspoons, tablespoons, and the other plethora of stupid measures I grew up with.� We had 2x4's, which actually were not 2" x 4".� We measured nails in pennies ... I'm sure there was a reason ... OK, not so sure, but that's how it was.� Then, the US Military sent me to the other side of the planet, and over time I began to think metric. Meters, grams, kilograms, liters became normal.� I came home ... they still are normal, I now have to convert metric to stupid.� It would be great if we actually did join the rest of the world before the end of my lifetime.� But, I'm not holding my breath.
>
>73,
>
>Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>Sparks NV DM09dn
>Washoe County

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Charlie T, K3ICH

Re: KX3 microphone nut size

Metric conversion hints:

Just remember, 9mm = .357",
5.56mm = .223",

Now, wasn't that easy?

Charlie k3ICH

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Steve Gray

Re: KX3 microphone nut size

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This is supposed to be addressed to the group, not Rich specifically, but on
this so-called "smart" 'phone, I cannot see how to do that, nor how to strip
out the miles (kilometres!) of duplicated commentary. Mea culpa my friends.
One day!

While I was still working, I used to build aircraft interior equipment,
specifically galleys and associated structures, and everything was in
imperial (actually decimal inches.) We used UNF and UNC attachment
fasteners. Even Airbus tolerated our decimal inch drawings and Boeing was a
given. I became completely conversant with imperial- both fractional and
decimal, but also metric. I routinely read fractional tape measures as a
decimal inch converted mentally on the fly. What I'm saying is it's only a
cocktail of laziness, stubborness and ********* to plough ahead with one
system completely in denial of another potentially better one. In my closing
years I did Q.A. and First Article Inspection. I wouldn't have survived with
Boeing or Airbus if I'd refused to be conversant in all systems.

While at college (I did Environmental Engineering) we were taught
dimensional analysis of equations. Everything is reduced to Length, Mass and
Time (ignoring wild cards like viscosity). When you see an equation
substantiated in this way, a light goes on in your head and the benefits of
the S.I. System are obvious. Until that is inculcated into your skull, you
take equations as something that is commited to memory but maybe never
stopping to consider why or who the heck figured that out? Sure you can
arrive at the same results using imperial units, but only if you remember
(without fail) to deploy empirical fudge factors so inches can be used
alongside ounces and so on.

That said, the S.I. unit is the metre. The recognised sub unit is the
millimetre. (not the centimetre). Suppose you want to cut something six feet
long (1,829 millimetres)? You pull out the tape measure and it happens to be
upside down. Enough times for it to be a lurking threat you measure (eg)
1,819 instead of 1.829 by mistake. It's your own fault, but for humans
interacting with the world I submit that feet and inches are a better way,
but for engineers (or anyone that likes to think of themselves as such.) The
S.I. System is a far better way to do things. I also think that the evolved
usage of centimetres is a tacit admission that inches were better than
millimetres. $0.02 of course.

Steve, G4VRR.

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Phil Kane-2

Re: KX3 microphone nut size

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On 8/29/2020 5:16 AM, Rich NE1EE wrote:

> Even that would be easier if the country just bit the bullet and set
> a time limit on moving to metric. Then we'd all be on the same page.

The Metric Conversion Act goes back to the Ford administration in 1974
(*). It is enforced slightly less than the Uniform Spitting on the
Sidewalk Act that predates it. The main reason that we see it at all in
the US is than manufacturers dealing in world-wide markets do not want
to have two different production lines,

* My Ford sedan is built to metric standards... :)

During my tenure, FCC rules and standards were rewritten to express
dimensions in metric, but the conversion from USCU wasn't smooth. For
instance, one specification for certain antenna heights was "20 feet
above ground". So what did the FCC do? Changed it to "6.1 meters (20
feet) above ground". Why not an even 6 meters?? Everyone still refers
to it as the "20 foot rule".

The neglected metric unit, although not past of the SI, is the gradian
(grad). 100 grads to a quadrant. 400 grads to a full circle. 1 grad =
0.9 degree. It is used mainly in European surveying, but since May 2020
is legal for use in the US.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
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k6dgw

Re: KX3 microphone nut size

In reply to this post by len

And Len, there is a real society for exactly what you point out ... The
Duodecimal Society of America [www.dozenal.org] that promotes changing
the base of our number system to twelve for exactly the same reason.
Not quite the same as the Flat Earth Society, but equally unlikely to
make much headway.

I can think of several reasons why an invasion by our northern neighbors
would be a positive and desirable occurrence. [;=)

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 8/28/2020 7:51 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
> Actually... not so "stupid" if you are in the building trades. 12 has more factors than 10, which makes is a LOT more convenient when breaking it into divisible segments.
>
> Also... it keeps us safe from the Canadians invading. Everytime they've tried they fall short of their destination.
>
> ;)
>

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k6dgw

Re: KX3 microphone nut size

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The main reason Phil is that we went to the moon on International Feet
and Pounds [and an uncountable number of 80-column punched cards and
boxes of green-bar]. "If it got us to the moon, it has to be good
enough for everything else."

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

PS: I wonder how many rolls of toilet paper could have been made with
all the chad from those cards?

On 8/29/2020 1:06 PM, Phil Kane wrote:

> On 8/29/2020 5:16 AM, Rich NE1EE wrote:
>
>> Even that would be easier if the country just bit the bullet and set
>> a time limit on moving to metric. Then we'd all be on the same page.
> The Metric Conversion Act goes back to the Ford administration in 1974
> (*). It is enforced slightly less than the Uniform Spitting on the
> Sidewalk Act that predates it. The main reason that we see it at all in
> the US is than manufacturers dealing in world-wide markets do not want
> to have two different production lines,
>
>

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Wes Stewart-2

Re: KX3 microphone nut size

Not to forget winning WW1 and WWII.

I remember punch cards fondly. At Hughes I took a company-sponsored Fortran IV
course. I was in Tucson and the main-frame was in CA. We would do our coding,
punch and submit our cards, the batch would be run overnight and we would come
in the next morning to find out how many typos we made. I wound up dating one
of the key punch girls, and reduced my typos to zero.

Wes N7WS

On 8/29/2020 3:33 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:

> The main reason Phil is that we went to the moon on International Feet and
> Pounds [and an uncountable number of 80-column punched cards and boxes of
> green-bar]. "If it got us to the moon, it has to be good enough for
> everything else."
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
> PS: I wonder how many rolls of toilet paper could have been made with all the
> chad from those cards?
>
> On 8/29/2020 1:06 PM, Phil Kane wrote:
>> On 8/29/2020 5:16 AM, Rich NE1EE wrote:
>>
>>> Even that would be easier if the country just bit the bullet and set
>>> a time limit on moving to metric. Then we'd all be on the same page.
>> The Metric Conversion Act goes back to the Ford administration in 1974
>> (*). It is enforced slightly less than the Uniform Spitting on the
>> Sidewalk Act that predates it. The main reason that we see it at all in
>> the US is than manufacturers dealing in world-wide markets do not want
>> to have two different production lines,

rich hurd WC3T

Re: KX3 microphone nut size

I’m going to request as a non-moderator that we draw a curtain of mercy
across this thread. Between this and the endless musing on K4
availability/ship dates/etc., my Delete key is getting worn out...

On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 19:25 Wes <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Not to forget winning WW1 and WWII.
>
>
>
> I remember punch cards fondly. At Hughes I took a company-sponsored
> Fortran IV
>
> course. I was in Tucson and the main-frame was in CA. We would do our
> coding,
>
> punch and submit our cards, the batch would be run overnight and we would
> come
>
> in the next morning to find out how many typos we made. I wound up dating
> one
>
> of the key punch girls, and reduced my typos to zero.
>
>
>
> Wes N7WS
>
>
>
>
>
> On 8/29/2020 3:33 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
>
> > The main reason Phil is that we went to the moon on International Feet
> and
>
> > Pounds [and an uncountable number of 80-column punched cards and boxes
> of
>
> > green-bar]. "If it got us to the moon, it has to be good enough for
>
> > everything else."
>
> >
>
> > 73,
>
> >
>
> > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>
> > Sparks NV DM09dn
>
> > Washoe County
>
> >
>
> > PS: I wonder how many rolls of toilet paper could have been made with
> all the
>
> > chad from those cards?
>
> >
>
> > On 8/29/2020 1:06 PM, Phil Kane wrote:
>
> >> On 8/29/2020 5:16 AM, Rich NE1EE wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>> Even that would be easier if the country just bit the bullet and set
>
> >>> a time limit on moving to metric. Then we'd all be on the same page.
>
> >> The Metric Conversion Act goes back to the Ford administration in 1974
>
> >> (*). It is enforced slightly less than the Uniform Spitting on the
>
> >> Sidewalk Act that predates it. The main reason that we see it at all in
>
> >> the US is than manufacturers dealing in world-wide markets do not want
>
> >> to have two different production lines,
>
>
>
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David Christ

Re: KX3 microphone nut size

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We are way off topic but as long as we are there I pass this on.

All you old timers know about this. The question is: How do you bury a programmer?

For you youngsters the answer is : Face down 9 edge first

David K0LUM
First started programming in 1960

> On Aug 29, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Wes <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Not to forget winning WW1 and WWII.
>
> I remember punch cards fondly. At Hughes I took a company-sponsored Fortran IV course. I was in Tucson and the main-frame was in CA. We would do our coding, punch and submit our cards, the batch would be run overnight and we would come in the next morning to find out how many typos we made. I wound up dating one of the key punch girls, and reduced my typos to zero.
>
> Wes N7WS
>
>
> On 8/29/2020 3:33 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
>> The main reason Phil is that we went to the moon on International Feet and Pounds [and an uncountable number of 80-column punched cards and boxes of green-bar]. "If it got us to the moon, it has to be good enough for everything else."
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>> Sparks NV DM09dn
>> Washoe County
>>
>> PS: I wonder how many rolls of toilet paper could have been made with all the chad from those cards?
>>
>> On 8/29/2020 1:06 PM, Phil Kane wrote:
>>> On 8/29/2020 5:16 AM, Rich NE1EE wrote:
>>>
>>>> Even that would be easier if the country just bit the bullet and set
>>>> a time limit on moving to metric. Then we'd all be on the same page.
>>> The Metric Conversion Act goes back to the Ford administration in 1974
>>> (*). It is enforced slightly less than the Uniform Spitting on the
>>> Sidewalk Act that predates it. The main reason that we see it at all in
>>> the US is than manufacturers dealing in world-wide markets do not want
>>> to have two different production lines,
>
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john@kk9a.com

Re: KX3 microphone nut size

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Well you had 20+ responses to your question however to my knowledge not one
answer. Since it's a metric thread it is quite easy to measure the diameter
in millimeters using a caliper (round up to the nearest size) and then
measure the distance between threads for the thread pitch. e.g. M6 x 1

John KK9A

Mooneer K6AQ wrote:

Hi all,

Does anyone know what exactly would replace the microphone nut on the KX3?
(I seem to have somehow misplaced mine.) The jack itself seemed to measure
1/4" OD but some 1/4"-32 panel nuts that I found don't seem to screw into
it.

Thanks,

-Mooneer K6AQ

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Nr4c

Re: KX3 microphone nut size

There were several answers, many were just wrong (1/4-20. Or likely).

But the absolute best answer was from Wayne of Elecraft who is sending out an envelope with a nut. So who cares what size it is?

I think it might be 6X.75 (mm).

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> On Aug 29, 2020, at 9:41 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>
> Well you had 20+ responses to your question however to my knowledge not one
> answer. Since it's a metric thread it is quite easy to measure the diameter
> in millimeters using a caliper (round up to the nearest size) and then
> measure the distance between threads for the thread pitch. e.g. M6 x 1
>
> John KK9A
>
>
> Mooneer K6AQ wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Does anyone know what exactly would replace the microphone nut on the KX3?
> (I seem to have somehow misplaced mine.) The jack itself seemed to measure
> 1/4" OD but some 1/4"-32 panel nuts that I found don't seem to screw into
> it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Mooneer K6AQ
>
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ke9uw

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No.
25.4 mm = 1 inch is easy

Chuck Jack Hawley
KE9UW

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> On Aug 31, 2020, at 10:18 AM, Charlie T <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Metric conversion hints:
>
> Just remember, 9mm = .357",
> 5.56mm = .223",
>
> Now, wasn't that easy?
>
> Charlie k3ICH
>
>
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Gordon LaPoint

Re: KX3 microphone nut size

Common bullet sizes!

On 8/31/2020 13:05 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:

> No.
> 25.4 mm = 1 inch is easy
>
> Chuck Jack Hawley
> KE9UW
>
> Sent from my iPhone, cjack
>
>> On Aug 31, 2020, at 10:18 AM, Charlie T <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Metric conversion hints:
>>
>> Just remember, 9mm = .357",
>> 5.56mm = .223",
>>
>> Now, wasn't that easy?
>>
>> Charlie k3ICH
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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ke9uw

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Ahh...just goes to show I don’t know much about that, what shoots a .223?

Jack BMW Motorcycles
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> On Aug 31, 2020, at 12:29 PM, Gordon LaPoint <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Common bullet sizes!
>
>> On 8/31/2020 13:05 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
>> No.
>> 25.4 mm = 1 inch is easy
>>
>> Chuck Jack Hawley
>> KE9UW
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone, cjack
>>
>>>> On Aug 31, 2020, at 10:18 AM, Charlie T <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Metric conversion hints:
>>>
>>> Just remember, 9mm = .357",
>>> 5.56mm = .223",
>>>
>>> Now, wasn't that easy?
>>>
>>> Charlie k3ICH
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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