LP PAN FOR SALE

[Vic K2VCO]

Jim Miller KG0KP wrote:
> I haven't used a panaramic display but have wanted one for some time.  I
> do have a problem understanding how a stand alone display can possibly
> have the capabilities of a PC based design as far as point and click to
> change the radio to the frequency of the signal you are seeing.

There are 'single board computers' available that would provide mouse, VGA, and RS232
support and which can be programmed to do whatever you want. They have simple operating
systems (sometimes forms of Linux) and are designed to be embedded in devices like this.
When you click on the display it would just send the appropriate rig-control command to
the K3.

A panoramic display unit could incorporate this plus a simple SDR to provide all these
functions.

If it did not include the display itself but could be connected to a VGA monitor, the
price could be kept reasonable. Monitors are cheap and used ones are often free. And the
owner could choose how big a display he wanted.
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73,
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[ac0h]

Click with what?
Plug a mouse/keyboard into the panadapter?
That's going to be some pretty fancy firmware programming and real
expensive.

I don't think there's any way for Elecraft to produce a standalone
panadapter that can compete with the LP-PAN/Sound card/Computer combo
either performance or price wise.

We'll see if they can prove me wrong.

N5GE wrote:
> I disagree.  I think the folks at Elecraft are capable of  developing
> the software required to do point and click.
>
> In fact I would not purchase one if I couldn't do that.
>
> Tom, N5GE
>  
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[Dick Williams-2]

I'm sure that Elecraft (or any other company) can design and produce just
about whatever is technologically feasible.   However, the issue boils down
to at what cost, and then what market is out there to recover the costs.

Yes, it will be great if Elecraft does come out with a Panadapter "add on";
the last figure I heard was in the $700 to $800 dollar price range.
However, if one were to start "tacking on" all the features that every K3
owner feels is a "must have", the price would probably triple.

Now granted,  if you add 2400 or so bucks to the price of the K3, it is
still considerable less than the piece of junk Icom sells for 12,000 bucks
(I guess 10,500 with all the discounts).   Personally though,  I don't think
the majority of K3 owner would want to fork over much more than 700 dollars
for a panadaptor.    And this is especially true when you can achieve the
same results (and with a unit that will most likely do considerable more
than what is in the works at Elecraft) right now for under $300.  A lot of
the "features" that seem to wanted are already functional or soon will be
with LP-Pan.

Yes, you do have to have a computer;  but what ham out there does not own a
computer (especially amateurs that have found there "niche" in the hobby
were they want and need the capabilities of the K3)?   If you can afford a
K3 (and the cost of a add on panadapter), I will "go out on a limb" and say
you can afford to purchase a computer.

You don't have to be a "computer geek" to install and configure LP-Pan,
LP-Bridge, and Power SDR.   And if you run into problems, there seems to be
plenty of help on the LP reflector and my dealings with Larry at Telepost
leave me with the impression that he is more than willing to take the extra
step in helping you to get his product up and running.

I have had LP-Pan hooked up to my K3 for about a week and I am really
impressed with what it does.  Went out and bought a second monitor for the
computer and I have PowerSDR displayed on it.  Right now the display is 14"
wide and 7" in height;  I can damn near read it without my glasses!

That is my "two cents worth".

Dick K8ZTT

> Julian, G4ILO wrote:
>
> I disagree.  I think the folks at Elecraft are capable of  developing
> the software required to do point and click.
>
> In fact I would not purchase one if I couldn't do that.
>
> Tom, N5GE
>>
>> Maarten van Rossum wrote:
>>
>>> I too would like to express my desire for a build-in / stand alone unit
>>> for
>>> the K3. One were I can hook up a monitor, a key board and maybe even a
>>> mouse
>>> if I wanted too and do all the modes that are available. And also very
>>> important, it should be more or less plug and play.
>>>
>>> PC's and I don't go very well together and although the LP PAN stuff
>>> looks
>>> and sounds very promising, it is way to complicated for me. I am glad
>>> that
>>> I
>>> am able to update my K3 every once in a while. Kudo's to Elecraft for
>>> making
>>> it that simple.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I think all of us find PCs a hassle. I worked with computers all my life
>> but
>> there are still times when I want to attack the thing with a 4lb club
>> hammer.
>>
>> Unfortunately for your requirement I think a PC would be the most cost
>> effective platform to do all that. I think the most we can hope for is
>> something that is just a panoramic display. The question in my mind is,
>> since for most people the benefit is being able to point and click to
>> QSY,
>> how would that work using a separate display? Most people will still be
>> using a PC for logging etc. Having a separate screen for the display is
>> not
>> an issue (in fact it would be a benefit to keep the main screen clear)
>> but
>> having a separate screen that your mouse cannot click on doesn't seem
>> like
>> an ergonomic ideal to me.
>>
>> So I'm guessing that it will just be a passive display like the ones in
>> the
>> Icom 756 series that you can look at but not click on.
>>
>> -----
>> Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392  K3 #222.
>> * G4ILO's Shack - http://www.g4ilo.com
>> * KComm - http://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html
>> * KTune - http://www.g4ilo.com/ktune.html
>>
>>
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[Joe Planisky]

Bah.  There are tons of embedded PC boards that essentially offer the  
functionality and I/O of an entire PC on a board the size of a credit  
card. Here's a site that lists a few.

http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/Linux-For-Devices-Articles/Teeny-weeny-Linux-SBCs/

73
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On Jul 23, 2009, at 9:27 AM, R. Kevin Stover wrote:

> Click with what?
> Plug a mouse/keyboard into the panadapter?
> That's going to be some pretty fancy firmware programming and real
> expensive.
>
> I don't think there's any way for Elecraft to produce a standalone
> panadapter that can compete with the LP-PAN/Sound card/Computer combo
> either performance or price wise.
>
> We'll see if they can prove me wrong.
>

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[Ken Kopp-3]

My "wants" are basic ... I'm just interested in seeing "the band",
or a portion thereof.

Point and click doesn't interest me ... I traded off a hamfest-won
Flex 3000 a couple of  months ago..  

Aptos has my order for the display, what-ever it turns out to be. (:-))

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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[Vic K2VCO]

Dick Williams wrote:

> Yes, you do have to have a computer;  but what ham out there does not own a
> computer (especially amateurs that have found there "niche" in the hobby
> were they want and need the capabilities of the K3)?   If you can afford a
> K3 (and the cost of a add on panadapter), I will "go out on a limb" and say
> you can afford to purchase a computer.
>
> You don't have to be a "computer geek" to install and configure LP-Pan,
> LP-Bridge, and Power SDR.  

I have (several) computers and I am a 'computer geek'. But I still want a standalone unit.

I want it to come on when the radio does and I don't want to mess around with all of the
issues surrounding a computer just to use it.
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[David Gilbert]

I fully agree.  Even more to the point, can anyone explain to me why it is at all important for a panadapter to be standalone, i.e., independent of a computer for either display or function?  

1.  Whether I am contesting or DXing or ragchewing, my computer is always connected to my K3 for logging and other functions (digital modes, memory buffers, etc).  Why would I want to add another user interface in the form of a keyboard or mouse connected directly to the panadapter?

2.  I guarantee I would be able to upgrade my computer for function or storage capacity more easily than I could the innards of a standalone panadapter.  The more dedicated hardware in the panadapter, the more functionally stagnate it becomes.

3.  External monitors with MUCH larger screens that would be practical for a standalone panadapter are cheap, as are video cards with dual monitor ports.  What's the point of having a wide spectrum capability if the display scrunches it down to VGA dimensions?

4.  Software that controlled the panadapter from the computer would almost certainly integrate more easily into other software such as logging or rig control programs, compared with firmware residing on the panadapter.


So ... why add cost and size in the form of panadapter hardware that can be done better and more cheaply with hardware that already exists?  Are there that many K3 owners out there that use their rig like an FT-101?

73,
Dave   AB7E


------Original Mail------
From: "R. Kevin Stover" <[hidden email]>
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    "Elecraft Reflector" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:27:38 -0500
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN

Click with what?
Plug a mouse/keyboard into the panadapter?
That's going to be some pretty fancy firmware programming and real
expensive.

I don't think there's any way for Elecraft to produce a standalone
panadapter that can compete with the LP-PAN/Sound card/Computer combo
either performance or price wise.

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[David Gilbert]

Actually, you can buy a very competent refurbished computer (with warranty), a nice display, and LP-Pan for less than the price Elecraft has projected for the panadapter.  Along with many others I am looking forward to the Elecraft panadapter with great anticipation, but if it doesn't offer performance and flexibility instead of redundant hardware I won't be very impressed.

73,
Dave   AB7E




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Sent: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 10:37:41 -0600
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN and "Point and Click"


Yes, you do have to have a computer;  but what ham out there does not own a
computer (especially amateurs that have found there "niche" in the hobby
were they want and need the capabilities of the K3)?   If you can afford a
K3 (and the cost of a add on panadapter), I will "go out on a limb" and say
you can afford to purchase a computer.


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[P.B. Christensen]

Dave,

I think what's turning many folks away is the combined complexity of cables,
temperamental drivers, high-end sound cards, and the need for a reasonably
competent PC (owing to PowerSDR software).  That's a shame because much of
these problems are easy to overcome with the SDR-IQ unit.  Only two cables
are used for connectivity and it's self-powered through the USB cable.  Much
of the needed DSP processing power is assigned to the SDR-IQ rather than the
need to depend on PowerSDR or one of its variants that places a high CPU
demand on the PC when using a high-end sound card.

With the SDR-IQ, I've found my PC's CPU demand is minimal -- to the point
where I use it with an inexpensive Samsung netbook PC for point & click
tuning through SpectraVue software.  The K3, netbook, SDR-IQ and two
cables -- and you're done.   If the SDR-IQ is set up as only a panadpter
without the need for its internal demods, CPU demand is reduced further.

I'm sure Elecraft will make their panadapter as powerful as possible for the
price -- but it's pretty tough to beat the utility-to-price ratio of a $300
netbook + $495 SDR-IQ unit -- and use it for much more than just a
panadpter.  If the small netbook monitor is not of sufficient size, just
plug-in a flatscreen LCD monitor of your choice.   For me, I get a powerful
combination at home with large monitor and between the tiny SDR-IQ and
netbook, I can quickly take it portable with the K3 in a small Pelican case.

Paul, W9AC

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave - AB7E" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>; <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN and "Point and Click"

>
> Actually, you can buy a very competent refurbished computer (with
> warranty), a nice display, and LP-Pan for less than the price Elecraft has
> projected for the panadapter.  Along with many others I am looking forward
> to the Elecraft panadapter with great anticipation, but if it doesn't
> offer performance and flexibility instead of redundant hardware I won't be
> very impressed.
>
> 73,
> Dave   AB7E
>
>
>
>
> ------Original Mail------
> From: "Dick Williams" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 10:37:41 -0600
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN and "Point and Click"
>
>
> Yes, you do have to have a computer;  but what ham out there does not own
> a
> computer (especially amateurs that have found there "niche" in the hobby
> were they want and need the capabilities of the K3)?   If you can afford a
> K3 (and the cost of a add on panadapter), I will "go out on a limb" and
> say
> you can afford to purchase a computer.
>
>
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[Steve Ellington]

Anti point and clickers......Imagine replacing your computer mouse with two
knobs and a button. Remember Etch a Sketch? Once you get used to clicking on
signals with a mouse, going back to a knob would hurt. Sure, You'll get
there eventually, after you pass through all those other blips and forget
what you were aiming at!


Steve
N4LQ
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From: "Dave - AB7E" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>; <[hidden email]>; <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN

>
> I fully agree.  Even more to the point, can anyone explain to me why it is
> at all important for a panadapter to be standalone, i.e., independent of a
> computer for either display or function?
>
> 1.  Whether I am contesting or DXing or ragchewing, my computer is always
> connected to my K3 for logging and other functions (digital modes, memory
> buffers, etc).  Why would I want to add another user interface in the form
> of a keyboard or mouse connected directly to the panadapter?
>
> 2.  I guarantee I would be able to upgrade my computer for function or
> storage capacity more easily than I could the innards of a standalone
> panadapter.  The more dedicated hardware in the panadapter, the more
> functionally stagnate it becomes.
>
> 3.  External monitors with MUCH larger screens that would be practical for
> a standalone panadapter are cheap, as are video cards with dual monitor
> ports.  What's the point of having a wide spectrum capability if the
> display scrunches it down to VGA dimensions?
>
> 4.  Software that controlled the panadapter from the computer would almost
> certainly integrate more easily into other software such as logging or rig
> control programs, compared with firmware residing on the panadapter.
>
>
> So ... why add cost and size in the form of panadapter hardware that can
> be done better and more cheaply with hardware that already exists?  Are
> there that many K3 owners out there that use their rig like an FT-101?
>
> 73,
> Dave   AB7E
>
>
> ------Original Mail------
> From: "R. Kevin Stover" <[hidden email]>
> To: "N5GE" <[hidden email]>,
>    "Elecraft Reflector" <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:27:38 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN
>
> Click with what?
> Plug a mouse/keyboard into the panadapter?
> That's going to be some pretty fancy firmware programming and real
> expensive.
>
> I don't think there's any way for Elecraft to produce a standalone
> panadapter that can compete with the LP-PAN/Sound card/Computer combo
> either performance or price wise.
>
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[Brett Howard]

Because some of us despise being forced to run Windows to use the
product.  Some of us would also like the tools to continue working
well beyond when they are supported.  If someone quits writing
software to support a particular tool it only takes the next version
of windows to feasibly turn that product into an expensive brick.

Personally I'd be ok with just a bandscope with a nice resolution and
very fast update rate without point and click functionality.  Drop in
some more handy test type features (like Elecraft already has with the
AFV and what not)...

Honestly we already have a perfectly fine computer based solution and
it looks like its slowly getting better Linux support.  Why would we
need another.  I want my radio to perform like a radio so that I can
take it to the top of a hill and make it work sans computer.  I've
already had a blast taking it up to a few mountain tops and making a
few RTTY contacts sans computer.  Come on thats fun!

I'm still one of those guys that thinks an oscilloscope should have
knobs and buttons and no keyboard.  I also think that an oscilloscope
shouldn't take several minutes to boot up!  Some things just aren't
made better by adding a computer.

~Brett (KC7OTG)

On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Dave - AB7E<[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> I fully agree.  Even more to the point, can anyone explain to me why it is at all important for a panadapter to be standalone, i.e., independent of a computer for either display or function?
>
> 1.  Whether I am contesting or DXing or ragchewing, my computer is always connected to my K3 for logging and other functions (digital modes, memory buffers, etc).  Why would I want to add another user interface in the form of a keyboard or mouse connected directly to the panadapter?
>
> 2.  I guarantee I would be able to upgrade my computer for function or storage capacity more easily than I could the innards of a standalone panadapter.  The more dedicated hardware in the panadapter, the more functionally stagnate it becomes.
>
> 3.  External monitors with MUCH larger screens that would be practical for a standalone panadapter are cheap, as are video cards with dual monitor ports.  What's the point of having a wide spectrum capability if the display scrunches it down to VGA dimensions?
>
> 4.  Software that controlled the panadapter from the computer would almost certainly integrate more easily into other software such as logging or rig control programs, compared with firmware residing on the panadapter.
>
>
> So ... why add cost and size in the form of panadapter hardware that can be done better and more cheaply with hardware that already exists?  Are there that many K3 owners out there that use their rig like an FT-101?
>
> 73,
> Dave   AB7E
>
>
> ------Original Mail------
> From: "R. Kevin Stover" <[hidden email]>
> To: "N5GE" <[hidden email]>,
>    "Elecraft Reflector" <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:27:38 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN
>
> Click with what?
> Plug a mouse/keyboard into the panadapter?
> That's going to be some pretty fancy firmware programming and real
> expensive.
>
> I don't think there's any way for Elecraft to produce a standalone
> panadapter that can compete with the LP-PAN/Sound card/Computer combo
> either performance or price wise.
>
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[PD2R]

After reconsidering I came to the conclusion that I just want to be able to
see a portion of the band I'm on.
Sure, point and click would be nice but if I really want that, I'll go with
the all ready existing panadapter or something like Flexradio.

Yes, I have a PC in my shack and it is used for logging and updating the K3
and surfing on the www, that's it. I don't want it to do anything else. I
just don't get along with those darn things.
When I was young all my friends were starting to get familiar with PC's. My
parents didn't buy one because they thought it was just a hype and it would
blow over. Boy were they wrong. By the time we finally got one all my
friends could do magic with these things (at least in my eyes they could)
and all I could do with it was turning it on and off. I lost interest before
I even got started.
When I got older I got confronted with fact that I couldn't get around
them so I learned how to use then but I never could really enjoy it. I still
don't for that matter.

I'm probably missing out on a whole bunch of stuff but I guess I don't know
exactly what it is that I'm missing and therefore I don't Miss it. (that
sentence can't be wright but I think you know what I mean)

I will now go to "start" and turn off my PC (I know, that's Windows and not
the PC itself) and turn on the K3 to make some Q's.

73, Maarten
PD2R

P.s. just now I wanted to copy/paste this text I just wrote so I could check
the spelling on a online spellchecker. Now the darn thing won't copy/paste
anymore?!?! It is probably something I did and I will figure it out but it
just bugs me. So, I'm sorry for any spelling errors.
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[Grant Youngman]

>
> I'm sure Elecraft will make their panadapter as powerful as possible  
> for the
> price -- but it's pretty tough to beat the utility-to-price ratio of  
> a $300
> netbook + $495 SDR-IQ unit -- a

I suspect you expect too much from a $300 netbook thingy.

But isn't it amazing that the price of the computer (even a not-
netbook)  might be less than the price of the RF head.  How is that  
possible -- with all of those 12AU7 dual triode flip-flops in the  
computer :-)

Grant/NQ5T
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[Brett Howard]

Honestly I'm perfectly fine with a computer solution but I want the
same amount of power and flexibility no matter if I'm sitting in front
of Windows or Linux or even Mac for that matter!  I give high praise
to Elecraft for keeping software update utilities for all 3 OSes and
they are all kept up to date!

However all this being said there is already a computer solution which
is no where near as powerful in Linux but its coming along...  Why do
we need yet another of the same thing?  For me an embedded solution
would be where its at.  I'd like to see something with a PXA310 or
similar processor that was essentially a PDA with a specialized wider
shorter display.  Implementing it as a touchscreen would be nice but a
lot of the hams I've known would be way to ham fisted to be able to
operate it and so they'd just complain.  I see good value in adding a
good fast updating display with decent resolution.  Oh and I'm all for
small too!  My eyes still work good!

~Brett

On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Dick Williams<[hidden email]> wrote:

> I'm sure that Elecraft (or any other company) can design and produce just
> about whatever is technologically feasible.   However, the issue boils down
> to at what cost, and then what market is out there to recover the costs.
>
> Yes, it will be great if Elecraft does come out with a Panadapter "add on";
> the last figure I heard was in the $700 to $800 dollar price range.
> However, if one were to start "tacking on" all the features that every K3
> owner feels is a "must have", the price would probably triple.
>
> Now granted,  if you add 2400 or so bucks to the price of the K3, it is
> still considerable less than the piece of junk Icom sells for 12,000 bucks
> (I guess 10,500 with all the discounts).   Personally though,  I don't think
> the majority of K3 owner would want to fork over much more than 700 dollars
> for a panadaptor.    And this is especially true when you can achieve the
> same results (and with a unit that will most likely do considerable more
> than what is in the works at Elecraft) right now for under $300.  A lot of
> the "features" that seem to wanted are already functional or soon will be
> with LP-Pan.
>
> Yes, you do have to have a computer;  but what ham out there does not own a
> computer (especially amateurs that have found there "niche" in the hobby
> were they want and need the capabilities of the K3)?   If you can afford a
> K3 (and the cost of a add on panadapter), I will "go out on a limb" and say
> you can afford to purchase a computer.
>
> You don't have to be a "computer geek" to install and configure LP-Pan,
> LP-Bridge, and Power SDR.   And if you run into problems, there seems to be
> plenty of help on the LP reflector and my dealings with Larry at Telepost
> leave me with the impression that he is more than willing to take the extra
> step in helping you to get his product up and running.
>
> I have had LP-Pan hooked up to my K3 for about a week and I am really
> impressed with what it does.  Went out and bought a second monitor for the
> computer and I have PowerSDR displayed on it.  Right now the display is 14"
> wide and 7" in height;  I can damn near read it without my glasses!
>
> That is my "two cents worth".
>
> Dick K8ZTT
>
>
>
>
>
>> Julian, G4ILO wrote:
>>
>> I disagree.  I think the folks at Elecraft are capable of  developing
>> the software required to do point and click.
>>
>> In fact I would not purchase one if I couldn't do that.
>>
>> Tom, N5GE
>>>
>>> Maarten van Rossum wrote:
>>>
>>>> I too would like to express my desire for a build-in / stand alone unit
>>>> for
>>>> the K3. One were I can hook up a monitor, a key board and maybe even a
>>>> mouse
>>>> if I wanted too and do all the modes that are available. And also very
>>>> important, it should be more or less plug and play.
>>>>
>>>> PC's and I don't go very well together and although the LP PAN stuff
>>>> looks
>>>> and sounds very promising, it is way to complicated for me. I am glad
>>>> that
>>>> I
>>>> am able to update my K3 every once in a while. Kudo's to Elecraft for
>>>> making
>>>> it that simple.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think all of us find PCs a hassle. I worked with computers all my life
>>> but
>>> there are still times when I want to attack the thing with a 4lb club
>>> hammer.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately for your requirement I think a PC would be the most cost
>>> effective platform to do all that. I think the most we can hope for is
>>> something that is just a panoramic display. The question in my mind is,
>>> since for most people the benefit is being able to point and click to
>>> QSY,
>>> how would that work using a separate display? Most people will still be
>>> using a PC for logging etc. Having a separate screen for the display is
>>> not
>>> an issue (in fact it would be a benefit to keep the main screen clear)
>>> but
>>> having a separate screen that your mouse cannot click on doesn't seem
>>> like
>>> an ergonomic ideal to me.
>>>
>>> So I'm guessing that it will just be a passive display like the ones in
>>> the
>>> Icom 756 series that you can look at but not click on.
>>>
>>> -----
>>> Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392  K3 #222.
>>> * G4ILO's Shack - http://www.g4ilo.com
>>> * KComm - http://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html
>>> * KTune - http://www.g4ilo.com/ktune.html
>>>
>>>
>>
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[Grant Youngman]

On Jul 23, 2009, at 11:57 AM, Ken Kopp wrote:

>
> Aptos has my order for the display, what-ever it turns out to be.  
> (:-))
>


So, how did you give Aptos your order, since it isn't on the price  
list yet.  Do I just send an email to Madeline with my private Swiss  
bank account number and instruct her to transfer what she will?  :-)

Grant/NQ5T
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And you need a panadapter for that?

Dave   AB7E



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I want my radio to perform like a radio so that I can
take it to the top of a hill and make it work sans computer.  I've
already had a blast taking it up to a few mountain tops and making a
few RTTY contacts sans computer.  Come on thats fun!


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[Tony Fegan VE3QF]

        How about a variable rate tuning knob with a built in push switch. I am
thinking of the tuning system on the old (1970s) Cubic/Swan Astro 150.
This was a variable rate spring loaded rotary control that speeds up the
tuning rate as it is turned further clockwise or counter-clockwise from
the detented center position. It would suit those that do not like extra
cables and clutter on their desks.

73
        Tony Fegan VE3QF

Edward Dickinson, III wrote:
> "...since for most people the benefit is being able to point and click to
> QSY, how would that work using a separate display?"
>
> How about touch screen?
>
>
> Best regards,
> Dick - KA5KKT
>
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[Brett Howard]

I'd like to have it for field day and sometimes having that sitting there is
easier to find CQers than constantly actively scanning...  Helps ya keep the
fire going if you don't have to be scanning all the time...  The scan
feature works a trick but a panadapter would be nicer.  Also a panadapter
can turn out to be a nice poor man's SpecAn in a pinch.

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And you need a panadapter for that?

Dave   AB7E



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I want my radio to perform like a radio so that I can
take it to the top of a hill and make it work sans computer.  I've
already had a blast taking it up to a few mountain tops and making a
few RTTY contacts sans computer.  Come on thats fun!


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[Dick Williams-2]

Vic,

Your point is well taken; but in the end what percentage of  amatuers that
own a K3 do not have it hooked up to a computer and a logging program; and I
bet that most amateurs leave their computer on 24/7 and connected to a DX
Cluster.

Like Dave (AB7E) who posted a comment,  I am also part of the aforementioned
group, my computer is on all the time;  thus PowerSDR and LP Bridge are also
on all the time.  When I turn on the K3, LP-Pan (which is powered by the Aux
12V out on the K3) turns on, and bingo,  signals appear on the PowerSDR
screen.    If for some reason (like going on vacation) I turn off my
computer,  when I turn it back on, I just start LP Bridge and that auto
starts both DXBase and PowerSDR.   Basically one click and one button push
on the K3 and I am in business.

Actually, I have to admit that it is slightly more complicated than that;
after I turn on the K3, I have to push the on/off switch on the Green Heron
Eng rotor box to on.   The Green Heron is plugged into a AC switch that all
the other assorted and sundry accessories are plugged into, and turning it
on, powers up the rest of the station.

So, I guess that I have not figured out what all the other "issues" might be
in having a panadapter run by your computer??    Actually I spend more time
in the summer connecting and disconnecting the coax and rotor cables because
of the thundrestorms than I do "turning on" the K3 and Green Heron Rotor
box.

In any case, I am sure that your wish for a stand alone unit will come true.
The only question is what features and at what cost will the Elecraft unit
have.  One thing I am sure of is the display will not be of the 17" to 22"
variity.

One other interesting point that should be brought upis that CW Skimmer
works very well with LP-Bridge..  Though I have not installed it yet,  I
have been told that CW Skimmer is  the "cats meow" to the CW contester or
DXer; and to them, it  is what Viagra is to the "old timers"!    It works
great and allows them to do things they had never done before!

Dick K8ZTT


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To: "Dick Williams" <[hidden email]>; "Elecraft Reflector"
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Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LP PAN and "Point and Click"

> Dick Williams wrote:
>
>> Yes, you do have to have a computer;  but what ham out there does not own
>> a computer (especially amateurs that have found there "niche" in the
>> hobby were they want and need the capabilities of the K3)?   If you can
>> afford a K3 (and the cost of a add on panadapter), I will "go out on a
>> limb" and say you can afford to purchase a computer.
>>
>> You don't have to be a "computer geek" to install and configure LP-Pan,
>> LP-Bridge, and Power SDR.
>
> I have (several) computers and I am a 'computer geek'. But I still want a
> standalone unit.
>
> I want it to come on when the radio does and I don't want to mess around
> with all of the issues surrounding a computer just to use it.
> --
> 73,
> Vic, K2VCO
> Fresno CA
> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco 

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Brett Howard wrote:
> Because some of us despise being forced to run Windows to use the
> product.  Some of us would also like the tools to continue working

It's quite likely that the cheapest way for Elecraft to implement such a
product would result in its running Windows, albeit XP embedded, on
flash.  The next alternative would be Linux.

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