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By any chance, has anyone read the latest, rather acerbic, K3 reviews by
AD4C (pluggng the ProIII) and "RFEXPERT" ["code of silence"] ??? -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA "Two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity. But I'm not so sure about the universe." ... Albert Einstein. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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He rated it 4.5 / 5 and even that isn't good enough?
Is there no satisfying The Believers? 73, Steve NN4X On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Dave G. <[hidden email]> wrote: > By any chance, has anyone read the latest, rather acerbic, K3 reviews by > AD4C (pluggng the ProIII) and "RFEXPERT" ["code of silence"] ??? > > -- > Dave G. KK7SS > '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA > "Two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity. > But I'm not so sure about the universe." ... Albert Einstein. > > Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Dave G.
I read RFEXPERT's review of the K3 and felt that he had some good points and some bad points.
1. I do not like people not signing their name or call. Cowardly in my estimation 2. I do not think he spent enough time with the K3 for a really good understanding of the rig. Today's modern rigs have so much software in them that you have to take time to learn it. It takes time. 3. Ergonomic comments about the rig...VFO, buttons, etc....is all personal preference, but the writer talks about contesting and how the radio cannot be a contest radio. Many elite contesters had input on the design of this radio. Changes were made because of their recommendations. Again, you have to get use to the rig. Being critical of something because one button function is no there the rig has to many menu selections is just dumb. Even the YKITT rigs have a lot of menus. 4. I also resent the fact that he claims there us some mojo society out there that only true Elecraft (Elecraftians) know about. Hogwash. They would not be in business long doing that kind of stuff. I am a Elecraftian and I go to meetings often. 5. AGC issues. Heck, I have not used AGC in years. I thought it was worthless years ago, so I've never used it with an amp. If you have a good signal going into the amp, then you don't need the AGC stuff. Dumb. Garbage in ... garbage out. Clean in....Clean out. AGC...come on...SHeeesh! 6. Comments about audio processing is again a personal preference point. Maybe we over process stuff anyway. What about a clean neat signal, not so compressed and jacked-up. Again, preferences. 7. Back to contesting. The person said it has to many menus What are you going to order, Lobster? Come on... Set up the rig for SSB and do an SSB contest. Set it up for CW and do a CW contest. That is just lame comment. Those are just a few of my talking points.... Operating the rig, I found the machine to be quite ergonomic. I am a big guy with huge hands and I found that hitting the buttons or turning the knobs is not a big deal. The big deal is knowing and remember what all the buttons and knobs do...and that is just experience and practice. I had to do the same thing with the FT1000MP and the 756PROII. The controls are well suited to me, but I have to get use to it. When I was using the PROII I did not use every knob,button and menu item. I doubt if I will with the K3. If the bail is to high....do use it....use a wood block. The bail cannot be menu controlled...whoops....there is another menu item. The operator has responsibility how to implement the unit in her or his unique environment. I am not in a the SEMS (Secret Elecraft Mojo Society) either. Is the rig perfect? No. Can it be perfect? Nothing is perfect, but improvements can be made through software...SDR radio! Time is what is needed. How many software up dates does Y K I give you? I never had one the whole time I had my FT1000MP or PROII. Ten Tec and Elecraft are the ones that are doing that. Ok, now I have to shut down the rant...cool off...and take a shower. I just found the some of the person's remarks to be without merit. Lee - K0WA In our day and age it seems that Common Sense is in short supply. If you don't have any Common Sense - get some Common Sense and use it. If you can't find any Common Sense, ask for help from somebody who has some Common Sense. Is Common Sense divine? _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I don't know why anyone takes any notice of eHam reviews. People post them five minutes after they have got their new toy, and they are either still over the moon about it and give it 5 out of 5, or else they couldn't figure out how to make it work and slag it off as a heap of junk. You rarely find anyone posting a considered opinion after they have used something for a few months.
Frankly I don't know how anyone can justify giving 5 out of 5 to a radio that still lacks major capabilities like FM TX/RX and dual RX, not to mention the various minor issues that people have found and asked to be improved on. Something deserves 5 out of 5 if it is the best in every respect. One day soon hopefully the K3 will meet that expectation, but it isn't there yet.
Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222 KX3 #110
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In reply to this post by Dave G.
Dear all,
I'm sorry but I do not understand the fuss about the reviewers on e-ham. Everybody can write about his experience with a rig. Please, let people do this. That's why we have e-ham... and that's why I value it high. 73 Arie PA3A _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Actually, K3's AGC is quite good. The reviewer had commented: "The receiver AGC is not enough to handle strong signals over 30dB over S9 making them sound distorded,of course turning back the RF gain fixed the problem but that never happens in the Pro3 even with signals up to 50 dB from local hams and the received audio is always clear." If the review had RTFM (read the fine manual), perhaps he would have figured out to increase the AGC slope value (to 15) in the menu and backed off on his AF gain. This would have fixed his problem. Perhaps the K3 would benefit by having the AGC Slope value default to 15 instead of 10. 73, Barry N1EU |
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I think what Lee meant to say in his item 5 was "ALC" (a transmit feature),
not "AGC" (a receive feature). Bill W5WVO Barry N1EU wrote: > Lee Buller wrote: >> >> 5. AGC issues. Heck, I have not used AGC in years. I thought it was >> worthless years ago, so I've never used it with an amp. If you have >> a good signal going into the amp, then you don't need the AGC stuff. >> Dumb. Garbage in ... garbage out. Clean in....Clean out. AGC...come >> on...SHeeesh! >> > > Actually, K3's AGC is quite good. The reviewer had commented: "The > receiver AGC is not enough to handle strong signals over 30dB over S9 > making them sound distorded,of course turning back the RF gain fixed > the problem but that never happens in the Pro3 even with signals up > to 50 dB from local hams and the received audio is always clear." > > If the review had RTFM (read the fine manual), perhaps he would have > figured out to increase the AGC slope value (to 15) in the menu and > backed off on his AF gain. This would have fixed his problem. > > Perhaps the K3 would benefit by having the AGC Slope value default to > 15 instead of 10. > > 73, > Barry N1EU _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Barry N1EU
G4ILO wrote: > > I don't know why anyone takes any notice of eHam reviews. People post them > five minutes after they have got their new toy, and they are either still > over the moon about it and give it 5 out of 5, or else they couldn't > figure out how to make it work and slag it off as a heap of junk. You > rarely find anyone posting a considered opinion after they have used > something for a few months. > > Frankly I don't know how anyone can justify giving 5 out of 5 to a radio > that still lacks major capabilities like FM TX/RX and dual RX, not to > mention the various minor issues that people have found and asked to be > improved on. Something deserves 5 out of 5 if it is the best in every > respect. One day soon hopefully the K3 will meet that expectation, but it > isn't there yet. The key word here is "opinion". Even if someone has owned a piece of equipment and reviewed it after 10 years, their eHam review will still remain only an opinion. Maybe better but not necessarily. Very few hams have the equipment to do an in-depth analysis to lab standards. Most hams are simply going to comment in the best way they know how. Over-all you either get something from someone elses review or you don't. Sometimes helpful, sometimes not. In the long run, though, I would rather have eHam reviews than nothing. It is at least some way of making ourselves collectively heard by the manufacturers. I do believe some of them actually listen. A major key feature of the K3 is the modular design. I don't have to pay for things I don't need. The items that I paid for all work just fine and, as far as I'm concerned, my K3 is already "there". The K3 is the slickest thing since no-lick stamps and deserves a 5/5. Of course, that's just my opinion :-). Tom, AK2B |
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In reply to this post by S Sacco
On Fri, 7 Mar 2008, S Sacco wrote:
> He rated it 4.5 / 5 and even that isn't good enough? > > Is there no satisfying The Believers? Well, be rating it less than a 5, then room is open for some other radio to be close to the top....and that may be the real problem. Kinda reminds me of the story about the Luthern who goes to Heaven...he checks in and Saint Peter tells him to tip toe up the back steps, and be very careful going past the first three floors. The guy asks why and Saint Peter says "The Unitarians are on the first three, and they think they own the place.". 73 k3hrn Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/ Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Tom AK2B
You wouldn't walk up to a stranger on the street and pay attention to his
opinion on anything... you don't know who he is or what he does (or doesn't) know. Same thing goes for Eham... it's nice to have a place to express an opinion, but you can't take anything at face value... you have to consider the source. Just like real life. And if you can't figure out anything about the source, the opinion isn't of much value to you. Just my 2 cents.... y'all be careful out there.... 73, Jerry K3BZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom AK2B" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Latest eHam reviews > > > G4ILO wrote: >> >> I don't know why anyone takes any notice of eHam reviews. People post >> them >> five minutes after they have got their new toy, and they are either still >> over the moon about it and give it 5 out of 5, or else they couldn't >> figure out how to make it work and slag it off as a heap of junk. You >> rarely find anyone posting a considered opinion after they have used >> something for a few months. >> >> Frankly I don't know how anyone can justify giving 5 out of 5 to a radio >> that still lacks major capabilities like FM TX/RX and dual RX, not to >> mention the various minor issues that people have found and asked to be >> improved on. Something deserves 5 out of 5 if it is the best in every >> respect. One day soon hopefully the K3 will meet that expectation, but it >> isn't there yet. > > The key word here is "opinion". Even if someone has owned a piece of > equipment and reviewed it after 10 years, their eHam review will still > remain only an opinion. Maybe better but not necessarily. Very few hams > have > the equipment to do an in-depth analysis to lab standards. Most hams are > simply going to comment in the best way they know how. Over-all you either > get something from someone elses review or you don't. Sometimes helpful, > sometimes not. In the long run, though, I would rather have eHam reviews > than nothing. It is at least some way of making ourselves collectively > heard > by the manufacturers. I do believe some of them actually listen. > > A major key feature of the K3 is the modular design. I don't have to pay > for > things I don't need. The items that I paid for all work just fine and, as > far as I'm concerned, my K3 is already "there". > > The K3 is the slickest thing since no-lick stamps and deserves a 5/5. Of > course, that's just my opinion :-). > > Tom, AK2B > -- > View this message in context: > http://www.nabble.com/Lates-eHam-reviews-tp15900850p15904469.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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