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>>In my opinion the problem is those list members who refuse to accept that
those who are frustrated or who just would like more accurate shipping predictions have any right to express this on the list. It is just as valid an issue for those waiting for a K3 as technical questions are for those who are lucky enough to already have one. It is notable to me that most of the complaints and discussion about dates have been made in polite, moderate language, while most of the inflammatory comments and use of pejorative language ("whiners", "whingers" etc.) has come from those who disagree with them. So exactly who are the fine folks and who aren't?<< All of this "in my opinion" is valid...However, it works both ways as regards the use of pejorative language...Eric, Wayne, and Elecraft in general have been accused of lying, deception, and subterfuge...Voicing disappointment and frustration is one thing, attacks on the character of folks is quite another, and that is what has happened here...IMHO, that is a reflection of character and is not acceptable... Jerry, wa2dkg _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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> those who are frustrated or who just would like more accurate shipping > predictions have any right to express this on the list. It is just as valid > an issue for those waiting for a K3 as technical questions are for those who > are lucky enough to already have one. > There is a bigger picture than painted by the above. Taken as a snapshot the above is fair and accurate and reasonable and correct. The problem comes when persons 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20.... 47 basically repeat the same complaints and accusations expressed by number 1 rather than accepting that someone has already represented the dissatisfied on the reflector. The deceased equine is unchanged whether it's struck by 1 or 100. The majority, presuming several thousand subscribers vs. several dozen equine strikers, are sick of listening to the thuds. To be very blunt, the situation, with it's delays etc., is well known and needs to be accepted as an unfortunate but unavoidable fact. Everyone needs to either shut up about it and tough it out or cancel and go take up knitting and leave the dam horse alone. -- 73 K5LDB ---------- Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Jeremiah McCarthy
Guys - Please do not moderate the list. I'll jump in when I feel it is
necessary or my feelings are hurt too much ;-) 73, Eric WA6HHQ List Moderator and Punching Bag. ---- > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
> Guys - Please do not moderate the list. I'll jump in when I feel it is > necessary or my feelings are hurt too much ;-) > > 73, Eric WA6HHQ > List Moderator and Punching Bag. > ---- I apologize if my post was the catalyst. I never even thought about moderating the list or defending your feelings. I just wanted to point out why so many of us are tired of the 87th repetition of the same complaint and hopefully reduce the future number. I'll go back to mostly monitoring and learning and try not to speak out where I guess I shouldn't. 73. Leo -- 73 K5LDB ---------- Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Hi Leo,
No problem :-) I was just trying to cut it off before it took on a life of its own. 73, Eric Leo Bricker K5LDB wrote: > Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: >> Guys - Please do not moderate the list. I'll jump in when I feel it >> is necessary or my feelings are hurt too much ;-) >> >> 73, Eric WA6HHQ >> List Moderator and Punching Bag. >> ---- > I apologize if my post was the catalyst. I never even thought about > moderating the list or defending your feelings. I just wanted to point > out why so many of us are tired of the 87th repetition of the same > complaint and hopefully reduce the future number. I'll go back to > mostly monitoring and learning and try not to speak out where I guess > I shouldn't. 73. > > Leo > Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ
Geesh Eric maybe you could at least bob and weave a little ;-) Good luck moderating the list. Hopefully the firestorm of criticism will slow down a bit in the near future.73, Mike KS7D
K2 4443 K3 0118 > Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 08:54:20 -0800> From: [hidden email]> To: [hidden email]> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Listen Up> > Guys - Please do not moderate the list. I'll jump in when I feel it is > necessary or my feelings are hurt too much ;-)> > 73, Eric WA6HHQ> List Moderator and Punching Bag.> ----> > > _______________________________________________> Elecraft mailing list> Post to: [hidden email]> You must be a subscriber to post to the list.> Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.):> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm> Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com_______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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