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GIWagner@k5kg.com

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Guys, really! Mile long messages on this reflector kill all the fun. Please manage your air time in respect of others.

73, George K5KG

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W2xj

Re: Long messages

Well we will never know what you’re talking about without quoted context.

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> On Jan 3, 2021, at 11:10 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
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> Guys, really! Mile long messages on this reflector kill all the fun. Please manage your air time in respect of others.
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> 73, George K5KG
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Re: Long messages

On 1/3/2021 10:00 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
> Well we will never know what you’re talking about without quoted context.

If you use a decent email program, it's usually possible to include just
enough of the post you're commenting on to provide context. And email
reflectors are FAR easier to deal with if you use such software that
allows you to download your messages and automatically sorts them into
mailboxes, one for each reflector, and a few others for special projects
that you might be working on with someone.

I read more than 2 dozen reflectors, some busy, some not. Many years
ago, I tried the digest for a vacation of a week or two and I hated it.
There was no way to delete anything! The free software I use is Thunderbird.

73, Jim K9YC
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NK7Z

Re: Long messages

I too use Thunderbird, and it is wonderful. I look at 40 or so lists,
each has a folder, and Thunderbird has filters, so they all go directly
into their respective folders.

Free, and far better than anything out there...

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
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ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 1/3/21 10:52 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

> On 1/3/2021 10:00 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>> Well we will never know what you’re talking about without quoted context.
>
> If you use a decent email program, it's usually possible to include just
> enough of the post you're commenting on to provide context. And email
> reflectors are FAR easier to deal with if you use such software that
> allows you to download your messages and automatically sorts them into
> mailboxes, one for each reflector, and a few others for special projects
> that you might be working on with someone.
>
> I read more than 2 dozen reflectors, some busy, some not. Many years
> ago, I tried the digest for a vacation of a week or two and I hated it.
> There was no way to delete anything! The free software I use is
> Thunderbird.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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Lyn WØLEN

Re: Long messages

Dave -

I get 200 - 300 emails a day. Business, financial, ham radio, personal, etc.

I have never used Thunderbird, but it sounds like what I am doing with Outlook. I have it set up with Folders and in some cases, Sub-folders, where everything goes as per established sort rules.

In addition, because I have so many folders, I have a "Favorites" section of the display where I can see certain folders in addition to in their proper location in the main list.

Does Thunderbird do something special? I could use some email magic.

73
Lyn, W0LEN

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Dave Cole
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2021 1:02 AM
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Long messages

I too use Thunderbird, and it is wonderful. I look at 40 or so lists,
each has a folder, and Thunderbird has filters, so they all go directly
into their respective folders.

Free, and far better than anything out there...

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
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NK7Z

Re: Long messages

Hi Lyn.

You will have to read the manual to find out what T-Bird does... It is
extensive, and to go into that here would take far too long.

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
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On 1/4/21 4:11 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote:

> Dave -
>
> I get 200 - 300 emails a day. Business, financial, ham radio, personal, etc.
>
> I have never used Thunderbird, but it sounds like what I am doing with Outlook. I have it set up with Folders and in some cases, Sub-folders, where everything goes as per established sort rules.
>
> In addition, because I have so many folders, I have a "Favorites" section of the display where I can see certain folders in addition to in their proper location in the main list.
>
> Does Thunderbird do something special? I could use some email magic.
>
> 73
> Lyn, W0LEN
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Dave Cole
> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2021 1:02 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Long messages
>
> I too use Thunderbird, and it is wonderful. I look at 40 or so lists,
> each has a folder, and Thunderbird has filters, so they all go directly
> into their respective folders.
>
> Free, and far better than anything out there...
>
> 73, and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z)
> https://www.nk7z.net
> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
>
> On 1/3/21 10:52 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
>> On 1/3/2021 10:00 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>> Well we will never know what you’re talking about without quoted context.
>>
>> If you use a decent email program, it's usually possible to include just
>> enough of the post you're commenting on to provide context. And email
>> reflectors are FAR easier to deal with if you use such software that
>> allows you to download your messages and automatically sorts them into
>> mailboxes, one for each reflector, and a few others for special projects
>> that you might be working on with someone.
>>
>> I read more than 2 dozen reflectors, some busy, some not. Many years
>> ago, I tried the digest for a vacation of a week or two and I hated it.
>> There was no way to delete anything! The free software I use is
>> Thunderbird.
>>
>> 73, Jim K9YC
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Barry

Re: Long messages

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Just another reason why a forum makes so much more sense than pushing out
emails to everyone.

Barry W2UP

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Re: Long messages

>>> Just another reason why a forum makes so much more sense than pushing out
emails to everyone. Barry W2UP<<<
That would def be my preference. 20 years ago, everything was reflectors, but Elecraft is the only one I'm dealing with now. Much of the traffic is not really relevant to me and a well structured forum would make it much quicker and easier for the user to sort through, and easier to contribute to.
I had been out of the loop for quite a few years and now getting back into it, dusting off my K1 and K2, and looking at new rigs, I was disappointed to find Elecraft still using a reflector.
For me, Elecraft having a forum would "reflect" possessively on the company.
Lou W7HV
On Monday, January 4, 2021, 6:13:06 AM MST, Barry <[hidden email]> wrote:

Just another reason why a forum makes so much more sense than pushing out
emails to everyone.

Barry W2UP

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len

Re: Long messages

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Hi George,

As many others suggest use your email program to filter messages
into folders.

I do that using Outlook, but I also do not read the list from the
emails. I only use the messages from my email when I want to reply. I pull
up the Web archive and read the list from there. It makes it faster, at
least for me.

I've never felt compelled to read messages with subject lines that
are not of interest to me. Your brain is the best filter.

YMMV

Len

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Subject: [Elecraft] Long messages

Guys, really! Mile long messages on this reflector kill all the fun. Please
manage your air time in respect of others.

73, George K5KG

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Bill Steffey NY9H

Re: Long messages

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thunderbird...

I made the change to Thunderbird years ago. I hesitated a few years , as
I remember there was some feature of Eudora that I had to give up
relating to the folders and sorting ...

life changes ...

HNY

On 1/4/2021 2:02 AM, Dave Cole wrote:
> I too use Thunderbird, and it is wonderful. I look at 40 or so lists,
> each has a folder, and Thunderbird has filters, so they all go
> directly into their respective folders.
>

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Re: Long messages

>>> "life changes" ... Bill NY9H<<<
Yep. I would posit that's why forums predominate now. It puts the burden on the host, not the user and customer.

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thunderbird...

I made the change to Thunderbird years ago. I hesitated a few years , as
I remember there was some feature of Eudora that I had to give up
relating to the folders and sorting ...

life changes ...

HNY

On 1/4/2021 2:02 AM, Dave Cole wrote:
> I too use Thunderbird, and it is wonderful. I look at 40 or so lists,
> each has a folder, and Thunderbird has filters, so they all go
> directly into their respective folders.
>

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Carl AB1DD

Re: Long messages

I look at my messages here

https://www.mail-archive.com/elecraft@.../

and it is easy to skip subjects I don't want to read. It can also be
sorted by subject or thread. Works for me! I also use Thunderbird, and
agree it is great.

Carl

AB1DD

On 1/4/2021 9:06 AM, Louandzip via Elecraft wrote:

> >>> "life changes" ... Bill NY9H<<<
> Yep. I would posit that's why forums predominate now. It puts the burden on the host, not the user and customer.
>
>
> On Monday, January 4, 2021, 6:53:03 AM MST, Bill Steffey NY9H <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> thunderbird...
>
> I made the change to Thunderbird years ago. I hesitated a few years , as
> I remember there was some feature of Eudora that I had to give up
> relating to the folders and sorting ...
>
> life changes ...
>
> HNY
>
>

Phil Kane-2

Re: Long messages

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On 1/4/2021 4:11 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote:

> I have never used Thunderbird, but it sounds like what I am doing
> with Outlook. I have it set up with Folders and in some cases,
> Sub-folders, where everything goes as per established sort rules.
>
> In addition, because I have so many folders, I have a "Favorites"
> section of the display where I can see certain folders in addition
> to in their proper location in the main list.
>
> Does Thunderbird do something special? I could use some email magic.

Yes, T-Bird does all that and more. It is far more stable and secure,
and includes provisions for Dual-Key Encryption in current versions. It
even has a routine to transfer your file structure and address book from
Outlook into T-Bird "hands-free". Totally customizable. I've been
using it ever since I switched from IBM OS/2 to Windows almost 15 years
ago.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: Long messages

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On 2021-01-04 8:38 AM, Louandzip via Elecraft wrote:

> That would def be my preference. 20 years ago, everything was
> reflectors, but Elecraft is the only one I'm dealing with now. Much
> of the traffic is not really relevant to me and a well structured
> forum would make it much quicker and easier for the user to sort
> through, and easier to contribute to.

A competent e-mail program like Thunderbird or Outlook will take care
of all those issues, provide the advantages of a "forum", allow the
user to download the messages in bulk then work (read/respond) offline
(e.g. on an airplane, in areas where WiFi/LTE/5G are not available)
and upload responses in bulk when connectivity is available.

Competent e-mail software does wonders to maximize signal to noise
ratio - even with a "forum" - although it can't eliminate the
"Sent to all" generated flame wars that are unfortunately more common
with forum based groups than properly configured e-mail lists.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 2021-01-04 8:38 AM, Louandzip via Elecraft wrote:

> >>> Just another reason why a forum makes so much more sense than pushing out
> emails to everyone. Barry W2UP<<<
> That would def be my preference. 20 years ago, everything was reflectors, but Elecraft is the only one I'm dealing with now. Much of the traffic is not really relevant to me and a well structured forum would make it much quicker and easier for the user to sort through, and easier to contribute to.
> I had been out of the loop for quite a few years and now getting back into it, dusting off my K1 and K2, and looking at new rigs, I was disappointed to find Elecraft still using a reflector.
> For me, Elecraft having a forum would "reflect" possessively on the company.
> Lou W7HV
> On Monday, January 4, 2021, 6:13:06 AM MST, Barry <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Just another reason why a forum makes so much more sense than pushing out
> emails to everyone.
>
> Barry W2UP
>

Clay Autery-2

Re: Long messages

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Having spent the last 25 years administering, owning, running, etc,
etc, ad nauseum both forums (from uBBS 1.0, vBBS, et al), and supporting
clients with forums, email reflectors, et al. I have to disagree with you.

As much as I 1) LOVE forums, and 2) loathe every additional email I
don't want/need, for amateur radio related subjects, like Elecraft (I'm
in this one and 4 other related on two platforms), I do not think a
forum is the way to go.
I'm busy, and I don't even GO to most of the forums I spent years on
anymore because.... well, I am busy. The "push" nature of a reflector
allows me to review quickly and stay right up to date on all the subject
areas I am interested in.

Now, that is NOT to say the "reflector" idea cannot be improved upon.
I PREFER Groups.io, which is kind of a hybrid of sorts. If you want,
it's JUST a reflector. BUT, it ALSO provides a searchable database, and
a LOT of other tools for use when you need to research historical
threads and posts.

Now, I know lots of folks resist change and Groups.io is a change. But
it works "better" for a wider range of folks, and IMO is much easier to
administer.

Finally, IF we are not to move to Groups.io, then I would like to see us
return to the basic "rules" we USED to observe before....

1) Only quote what is absolutely necessary to keep thread continuity.
2) Strip away everything from the "____________________" and down.
3) Observing the quiet death of threads when they drift and/or
sufficiently beat the horse to death.

In the past, Eric was the arbiter of the "rules". That is a TERRIBLE
use of his time. Perhaps if we could hammer out some rules that Wayne
and Eric would "sign-off" upon, and then find a couple of Reflector
moderators from among the more experienced, level-headed, and
thick-skinned, et al. of us to fulfill the lion's share of the admin
duties (with Eric and Wayne ONLY managing by exception), we MIGHT just
streamline the reflector traffic a bit.

That's my 2/100ths of a fiat currency "dollar". And worth both
pennies. <smile>

73 and God Bless and Keep every single one of you!

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G
(318) 518-1389

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> Just another reason why a forum makes so much more sense than pushing out
> emails to everyone.
>
> Barry W2UP
>
>
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Say it isn't so...

73, and thanks,
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On 1/4/21 8:27 AM, Clay Autery wrote:
> we MIGHT just streamline the reflector traffic a bit.
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I'll second/third Thunderbird as a excellent email client. I've been
using it for 15+ years, and I've never been disappointed or frustrated.
It's power and flexibility are truly note worthy.
...robert

On 1/4/2021 03:04 PM, Phil Kane wrote:

> On 1/4/2021 4:11 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
>
>> I have never used Thunderbird, but it sounds like what I am doing with
>> Outlook. I have it set up with Folders and in some cases,
>> Sub-folders, where everything goes as per established sort rules.
>>
>> In addition, because I have so many folders, I have a "Favorites"
>> section of the display where I can see certain folders in addition
>> to in their proper location in the main list.
>>
>> Does Thunderbird do something special? I could use some email magic.
>
> Yes, T-Bird does all that and more. It is far more stable and secure,
> and includes provisions for Dual-Key Encryption in current versions. It
> even has a routine to transfer your file structure and address book from
> Outlook into T-Bird "hands-free". Totally customizable. I've been
> using it ever since I switched from IBM OS/2 to Windows almost 15 years
> ago.
>
> 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
> Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402
>
> From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
> Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
>
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