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Nr4c

Mac utility with K3S Puts K3S in TX mode!

I have been using my K3S with Win 7 so far and decided to give the Mac a chance to play.

Downloaded the latest utility for the Mac (Latest OSX, Macbook Pro I7 w/16gigs) and convinced the Mac that I really did want to open this file. I selected the USB com port and my radio immediately went into TX mode and would not stop. I shut down the radio. Stated K3S again and it was still in TX. I unplugged the USB, radio still in transmit. Powered off rdio, power on again, still in TX.

Now I connected the rdio to my Win 7 machine, and all is well again.

Now, plug USB back into the Mac, re-read paragraph two above.

I am a new user to the Mac and don’t know a lot about the comport details so this is probably something silly, but I need some assistance. Help!

Part 2)

Just to sav e time, I hooked up the K3 to Mac with KUSB cable, and sure enough, it also goes to TX when connected to the Mac. So it;s not the radio, must be a setting in the computer, a hiccup in the utility.

FWIW: I have moved the modified KBPF3 and filters from my old K3 to the K3s yesterday and that is working just fine.

…bill c nr4c
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Frank Krozel

Re: Mac utility with K3S Puts K3S in TX mode!

Bill you are not alone as a MAC user and I am NOT going to purchase a WIN 10 box to do any work for ham radio.

I have used the utility on my MacBookAir for the KX3 utility and love it.

Frank KG9H

> On Jul 24, 2015, at 9:17 AM, Bill Conkling <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
> I have been using my K3S with Win 7 so far and decided to give the Mac a chance to play.
>
> Downloaded the latest utility for the Mac (Latest OSX, Macbook Pro I7 w/16gigs) and convinced the Mac that I really did want to open this file. I selected the USB com port and my radio immediately went into TX mode and would not stop. I shut down the radio. Stated K3S again and it was still in TX. I unplugged the USB, radio still in transmit. Powered off rdio, power on again, still in TX.
>
> Now I connected the rdio to my Win 7 machine, and all is well again.
>
> Now, plug USB back into the Mac, re-read paragraph two above.
>
> I am a new user to the Mac and don’t know a lot about the comport details so this is probably something silly, but I need some assistance. Help!
>
> Part 2)
>
> Just to sav e time, I hooked up the K3 to Mac with KUSB cable, and sure enough, it also goes to TX when connected to the Mac. So it;s not the radio, must be a setting in the computer, a hiccup in the utility.
>
>
>
> FWIW: I have moved the modified KBPF3 and filters from my old K3 to the K3s yesterday and that is working just fine.
>
> …bill c nr4c
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Nr4c

Re: Mac utility with K3S Puts K3S in TX mode!

A followup to my original post:

I started VMWare and ran WIN8.1 and insetalled the latest Utility. No problems with the old K3.

Now to test the K3s…..

With Win *.1 on Mac, both radios are normal.

Something is not right in my Mac Utility setup.

…bill c nr4c

> On Jul 24, 2015, at 10:22 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
>
> Bill you are not alone as a MAC user and I am NOT going to purchase a WIN 10 box to do any work for ham radio.
>
> I have used the utility on my MacBookAir for the KX3 utility and love it.
>
> Frank KG9H
>
>
>> On Jul 24, 2015, at 9:17 AM, Bill Conkling <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I have been using my K3S with Win 7 so far and decided to give the Mac a chance to play.
>>
>> Downloaded the latest utility for the Mac (Latest OSX, Macbook Pro I7 w/16gigs) and convinced the Mac that I really did want to open this file. I selected the USB com port and my radio immediately went into TX mode and would not stop. I shut down the radio. Stated K3S again and it was still in TX. I unplugged the USB, radio still in transmit. Powered off rdio, power on again, still in TX.
>>
>> Now I connected the rdio to my Win 7 machine, and all is well again.
>>
>> Now, plug USB back into the Mac, re-read paragraph two above.
>>
>> I am a new user to the Mac and don’t know a lot about the comport details so this is probably something silly, but I need some assistance. Help!
>>
>> Part 2)
>>
>> Just to sav e time, I hooked up the K3 to Mac with KUSB cable, and sure enough, it also goes to TX when connected to the Mac. So it;s not the radio, must be a setting in the computer, a hiccup in the utility.
>>
>>
>>
>> FWIW: I have moved the modified KBPF3 and filters from my old K3 to the K3s yesterday and that is working just fine.
>>
>> …bill c nr4c
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Phil Wheeler-2

Re: Mac utility with K3S Puts K3S in TX mode!

In reply to this post by Frank Krozel

PMFJI, Frank, I'm primarily a Mac user and OS X
beta tester. But I do work with Windows because it
will do some things I need (much better for
working with DVDs for example -- and more ham
radio apps).

So some time ago I installed Windows 10 Preview on
my Win 8.1 machine (my main Windows computers are
Windows 7, and will stay that way for a while, at
least). Windows 10 is an improvement over Win
8.1, IMO -- and that's even after modifying Win
8.1 to make the GUI work like Win 7 :-)

73, Phil W7OX

On 7/24/15 7:22 AM, [hidden email] wrote:

> Bill you are not alone as a MAC user and I am NOT going to purchase a WIN 10 box to do any work for ham radio.
>
> I have used the utility on my MacBookAir for the KX3 utility and love it.
>
> Frank KG9H
>
>
>> On Jul 24, 2015, at 9:17 AM, Bill Conkling <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I have been using my K3S with Win 7 so far and decided to give the Mac a chance to play.
>>
>> Downloaded the latest utility for the Mac (Latest OSX, Macbook Pro I7 w/16gigs) and convinced the Mac that I really did want to open this file. I selected the USB com port and my radio immediately went into TX mode and would not stop. I shut down the radio. Stated K3S again and it was still in TX. I unplugged the USB, radio still in transmit. Powered off rdio, power on again, still in TX.
>>
>> Now I connected the rdio to my Win 7 machine, and all is well again.
>>
>> Now, plug USB back into the Mac, re-read paragraph two above.
>>
>> I am a new user to the Mac and don’t know a lot about the comport details so this is probably something silly, but I need some assistance. Help!
>>
>> Part 2)
>>
>> Just to sav e time, I hooked up the K3 to Mac with KUSB cable, and sure enough, it also goes to TX when connected to the Mac. So it;s not the radio, must be a setting in the computer, a hiccup in the utility.
>>
>>
>>
>> FWIW: I have moved the modified KBPF3 and filters from my old K3 to the K3s yesterday and that is working just fine.
>>
>> …bill c nr4c

Guy Olinger K2AV

Re: Mac utility with K3S Puts K3S in TX mode!

In reply to this post by Nr4c

Make sure that the K3 CONFIG:PTT-KEY is set to OFF-OFF. This is to
make sure that miscellaneous, not on purpose, states of DTR and RTS in
the serial connection are not controlling the transmit and keying
state of the K3.

I'm not qualified to discuss how to turn off DTR and RTS on a Mac from
the operating system. Better to set the K3 to not respond to those.

Commonly, if used, DTR and RTS are controlled by applications running
on the computer using a serial port to talk to the K3, but the state
of those absent a program controlling them is unclear. N1MM logger and
logger plus have a config setting to set up DTR and RTS for use or to
force them to a given state.

If you DO at some point decide to use DTR and RST for keying and/or
PTT, you will have to completely understand and control those lines
coming from the computer, be they Windows or Apple.

Otherwise they should both be turned off in the K3 config.

DTR and RTS are part of any serial connection, so this would be true
as well using the new USB connection for K3/K3S. The DTR and RTS
information from the computer still must either be managed or turned
off in the config.

The K3 manual version D10 has a discussion of these pinouts on page 18.

73, Guy.

On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 10:17 AM, Bill Conkling <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> I have been using my K3S with Win 7 so far and decided to give the Mac a chance to play.
>
> Downloaded the latest utility for the Mac (Latest OSX, Macbook Pro I7 w/16gigs) and convinced the Mac that I really did want to open this file. I selected the USB com port and my radio immediately went into TX mode and would not stop. I shut down the radio. Stated K3S again and it was still in TX. I unplugged the USB, radio still in transmit. Powered off rdio, power on again, still in TX.
>
> Now I connected the rdio to my Win 7 machine, and all is well again.
>
> Now, plug USB back into the Mac, re-read paragraph two above.
>
> I am a new user to the Mac and don’t know a lot about the comport details so this is probably something silly, but I need some assistance. Help!
>
> Part 2)
>
> Just to sav e time, I hooked up the K3 to Mac with KUSB cable, and sure enough, it also goes to TX when connected to the Mac. So it;s not the radio, must be a setting in the computer, a hiccup in the utility.
>
>
>
> FWIW: I have moved the modified KBPF3 and filters from my old K3 to the K3s yesterday and that is working just fine.
>
> …bill c nr4c
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Nr4c

Re: Mac utility with K3S Puts K3S in TX mode!

To all that replied.

A club member (my local Mac guy) suggested getting the latest FTDI driver, which I did from Elecraft website link.

I did change CONFIG/PTT settings to OFF-OFF. All ok. Tried starting Utility in SSB and CW mode with no errors.

Reset CONFIG/PTT to RTS-DTR, all still ok. I think the driver did it.

Now, question?????

If I set the PTT-KEY to OFF-OFF, can n1mm still use those lines to handle PTT and Keying? I assumed not, but……..

Thanks Guy(s)

…/bill c nr4c

> On Jul 24, 2015, at 2:17 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Make sure that the K3 CONFIG:PTT-KEY is set to OFF-OFF. This is to
> make sure that miscellaneous, not on purpose, states of DTR and RTS in
> the serial connection are not controlling the transmit and keying
> state of the K3.
>
> I'm not qualified to discuss how to turn off DTR and RTS on a Mac from
> the operating system. Better to set the K3 to not respond to those.
>
> Commonly, if used, DTR and RTS are controlled by applications running
> on the computer using a serial port to talk to the K3, but the state
> of those absent a program controlling them is unclear. N1MM logger and
> logger plus have a config setting to set up DTR and RTS for use or to
> force them to a given state.
>
> If you DO at some point decide to use DTR and RST for keying and/or
> PTT, you will have to completely understand and control those lines
> coming from the computer, be they Windows or Apple.
>
> Otherwise they should both be turned off in the K3 config.
>
> DTR and RTS are part of any serial connection, so this would be true
> as well using the new USB connection for K3/K3S. The DTR and RTS
> information from the computer still must either be managed or turned
> off in the config.
>
> The K3 manual version D10 has a discussion of these pinouts on page 18.
>
> 73, Guy.
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 10:17 AM, Bill Conkling <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> I have been using my K3S with Win 7 so far and decided to give the Mac a chance to play.
>>
>> Downloaded the latest utility for the Mac (Latest OSX, Macbook Pro I7 w/16gigs) and convinced the Mac that I really did want to open this file. I selected the USB com port and my radio immediately went into TX mode and would not stop. I shut down the radio. Stated K3S again and it was still in TX. I unplugged the USB, radio still in transmit. Powered off rdio, power on again, still in TX.
>>
>> Now I connected the rdio to my Win 7 machine, and all is well again.
>>
>> Now, plug USB back into the Mac, re-read paragraph two above.
>>
>> I am a new user to the Mac and don’t know a lot about the comport details so this is probably something silly, but I need some assistance. Help!
>>
>> Part 2)
>>
>> Just to sav e time, I hooked up the K3 to Mac with KUSB cable, and sure enough, it also goes to TX when connected to the Mac. So it;s not the radio, must be a setting in the computer, a hiccup in the utility.
>>
>>
>>
>> FWIW: I have moved the modified KBPF3 and filters from my old K3 to the K3s yesterday and that is working just fine.
>>
>> …bill c nr4c
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Guy Olinger K2AV

Re: Mac utility with K3S Puts K3S in TX mode!

Consider the FTDI driver as a program and part of the computer.

If CONFIG:PTT-KEY is *not* OFF-OFF in the K3, then you have to exert
knowledgeable control over the DTR/RTS states from the computer.
Otherwise, turn them off so you don't get surprised.

If PTT-KEY *is* OFF-OFF in the K3, then those states, from whatever
source outside the K3, are ignored, period.

73, Guy K2AV
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Tim Tucker

Re: Mac utility with K3S Puts K3S in TX mode!

In reply to this post by Guy Olinger K2AV

I use my K3 with a Mac and use it with both the Elecraft Mac utility and
Windows apps without problem. I'm using an FTDI-based USB Serial converter
with it. The first thing I would check is the type of USB Serial cable
you're using: There have been many fake Prolific cables sold over the
years and those can be very problematic, even causing the type of behavior
you're seeing.

FWIW, I just tested the latest Mac utility and it worked fine for me.
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K1GQ

Re: Mac utility with K3S Puts K3S in TX mode!

In reply to this post by Nr4c

Correct, the driver did it. Apple provides a driver for FTDI-based USB-serial devices. That driver unconditionally asserts DTR and ignores attempts by applications to turn DTR off. When you install the FTDI-provided driver, it takes precedence over the Apple driver and behaves more responsibly.

I filled a bug report about this; Apple marked it as a “duplicate” and closed it.

Bill, K1GQ

> On Jul 24, 2015, at 2:53 PM, Bill Conkling <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Reset CONFIG/PTT to RTS-DTR, all still ok. I think the driver did it.

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wayne burdick

Re: Mac utility with K3S Puts K3S in TX mode!

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We're going to try a firmware fix for this. Hopefully, a computer that's connected but turned off won't key the rig unintentionally, even with PTT or KEY in use from the port. I'll let you know.

Wayne
N6KR

On Jul 24, 2015, at 12:30 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Consider the FTDI driver as a program and part of the computer.
>
> If CONFIG:PTT-KEY is *not* OFF-OFF in the K3, then you have to exert
> knowledgeable control over the DTR/RTS states from the computer.
> Otherwise, turn them off so you don't get surprised.
>
> If PTT-KEY *is* OFF-OFF in the K3, then those states, from whatever
> source outside the K3, are ignored, period.
>
> 73, Guy K2AV
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Keith Robinson

Re: Mac utility with K3S Puts K3S in TX mode!

Hello to all
This is Keith Robinson W4KTR
Just starting to use my new K3s and having the same issue running Win 7.
The radio goes into TX when the computer is turned off. This is of course
when the
CONFIG:PTT-KEY is selected as RTS-DTR. When selected as OFF-OFF there is no
issue.
Also and just as important to me is the fact that I don't seem to be able to
get rig to play
a DVK file went sent from Writelog or N1MM.
I can send keyboard CW all day but no SSB messages. I can verify that the
software is sending audio
to the proper device, (2- USB Audio Codec). The radio goes into TX and stays
till the file finishes playing but there is
no audio output and the watt meter don't move. Got any ideas ? Help !
Thanks
Keith Robinson
W4KTR

-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Burdick
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 5:24 PM
To: Guy Olinger K2AV
Cc: Howard K6IA Elecraft Support ; elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Mac utility with K3S Puts K3S in TX mode!

We're going to try a firmware fix for this. Hopefully, a computer that's
connected but turned off won't key the rig unintentionally, even with PTT or
KEY in use from the port. I'll let you know.

Wayne
N6KR

On Jul 24, 2015, at 12:30 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV <[hidden email]> wrote:

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