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Andy McMullin

Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility

Hi All,

This might seem like an odd question, but I’ve tried a search of the mail list archive and not found the answer.

Does anyone know if there is a trick or other way around the error messages from the KX3 Utility, when run on a modern Macintosh (mine’s running OS-X Mojave, 10.14.4), about the software not being usable on future versions? It’s to do with 32-bit versus 64-bit and future versions of the OS not running old software.

Thanks in advance.

Regards
Andy, G8TQH
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TJ Campie

Re: Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility

Doesn't that warning go away after the first launch of the software? I
don't recall seeing it again after using the K3 software for the first time.

73, W0EA
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Andy McMullin

Re: Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility

It might go away, but is it still valid? Doesn’t it mean that any day soon an update to the OS will stop the utility working? Then where are we?

Regards
Andy, G8TQH

> On 27 Mar 2019, at 16:36, TJ Campie <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Doesn't that warning go away after the first launch of the software? I
> don't recall seeing it again after using the K3 software for the first time.
>
>
> 73, W0EA
> TJ
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Re: Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility

The warning message does not merely appear just once with the first launch of the software but on subsequent lauches as well (after shutdown of the app). However, I have noticed that if a subsequent launch is within a small period of time after an earlier launch where the message was shown, then the message does not appear again. However, after a longer period of time, the message on launch will appear again.

Now, definitions for "small period of time" and "longer period of time" would be your own assessment because I have found that it is different intervals depending what I guess to be arbitrary (or, unknown to me).

> On Mar 27, 2019, at 9:43 AM, Andy McMullin <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> It might go away, but is it still valid? Doesn’t it mean that any day soon an update to the OS will stop the utility working? Then where are we?
>
> Regards
> Andy, G8TQH
>
>> On 27 Mar 2019, at 16:36, TJ Campie <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Doesn't that warning go away after the first launch of the software? I
>> don't recall seeing it again after using the K3 software for the first time.
>>
>>
>> 73, W0EA
>> TJ
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Re: Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility

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Unless Apple changes its position on 32 bit software like the KX3 Utility, 32 bit apps will not run on the next major release of macOS. The warning message is just that - a warning message that the app in question will not run on future version of the OS. The warning messages appears at random times, but is still valid. One can use the Activity Monitor app to determine what software is 32 bit and what is 64 bit.

I’m a registered Apple developer, and have updated my apps to 64 bit code long ago, but some apps are written in such a way as to make conversion to 64 bit code problematic.

I believe Elecraft produces the Windows versions of the apps, but the macOS and Linux versions are undertaken by others such as W4SMT.

73, Charles, K4ZRJ

> On Mar 27, 2019, at 12:05 PM, Andy McMullin <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> This might seem like an odd question, but I’ve tried a search of the mail list archive and not found the answer.
>
> Does anyone know if there is a trick or other way around the error messages from the KX3 Utility, when run on a modern Macintosh (mine’s running OS-X Mojave, 10.14.4), about the software not being usable on future versions? It’s to do with 32-bit versus 64-bit and future versions of the OS not running old software.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Regards
> Andy, G8TQH
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Andy McMullin

Re: Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility

Thanks Charles.

So, am I the only person interested in using my Elecraft kit with a Mac in the future? If not, how can we get this app updated to work on Macs from now on? Who do we need to ask?

Sent from my iPhone

> On 27 Mar 2019, at 17:55, Charles Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Unless Apple changes its position on 32 bit software like the KX3 Utility, 32 bit apps will not run on the next major release of macOS. The warning message is just that - a warning message that the app in question will not run on future version of the OS. The warning messages appears at random times, but is still valid. One can use the Activity Monitor app to determine what software is 32 bit and what is 64 bit.
>
> I’m a registered Apple developer, and have updated my apps to 64 bit code long ago, but some apps are written in such a way as to make conversion to 64 bit code problematic.
>
> I believe Elecraft produces the Windows versions of the apps, but the macOS and Linux versions are undertaken by others such as W4SMT.
>
> 73, Charles, K4ZRJ
>
>
>
>> On Mar 27, 2019, at 12:05 PM, Andy McMullin <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> This might seem like an odd question, but I’ve tried a search of the mail list archive and not found the answer.
>>
>> Does anyone know if there is a trick or other way around the error messages from the KX3 Utility, when run on a modern Macintosh (mine’s running OS-X Mojave, 10.14.4), about the software not being usable on future versions? It’s to do with 32-bit versus 64-bit and future versions of the OS not running old software.
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Regards
>> Andy, G8TQH
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Re: Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility

No, you are not the only person who uses a Mac with their Elecraft equipment and macOS utilities. Elecraft is aware of the 32 bit limitation, and so is the developer of the KX3 app for macOS. I expect 64 bit versions of all Elecraft utilities will be released before the general release of the next OS, assuming the pre-release developer versions have 32 bit support removed.

73, Charles, K4ZRJ

> On Mar 27, 2019, at 2:10 PM, Andy McMullin <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Thanks Charles.
>
> So, am I the only person interested in using my Elecraft kit with a Mac in the future? If not, how can we get this app updated to work on Macs from now on? Who do we need to ask?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 27 Mar 2019, at 17:55, Charles Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Unless Apple changes its position on 32 bit software like the KX3 Utility, 32 bit apps will not run on the next major release of macOS. The warning message is just that - a warning message that the app in question will not run on future version of the OS. The warning messages appears at random times, but is still valid. One can use the Activity Monitor app to determine what software is 32 bit and what is 64 bit.
>>
>> I’m a registered Apple developer, and have updated my apps to 64 bit code long ago, but some apps are written in such a way as to make conversion to 64 bit code problematic.
>>
>> I believe Elecraft produces the Windows versions of the apps, but the macOS and Linux versions are undertaken by others such as W4SMT.
>>
>> 73, Charles, K4ZRJ
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Mar 27, 2019, at 12:05 PM, Andy McMullin <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> This might seem like an odd question, but I’ve tried a search of the mail list archive and not found the answer.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know if there is a trick or other way around the error messages from the KX3 Utility, when run on a modern Macintosh (mine’s running OS-X Mojave, 10.14.4), about the software not being usable on future versions? It’s to do with 32-bit versus 64-bit and future versions of the OS not running old software.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Andy, G8TQH
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Andy McMullin

Re: Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility

Excellent. I look forward to seeing new versions of the OSX Utilities for the Elecraft line sometime soon then.

Regards
Andy, G8TQH

> On 27 Mar 2019, at 18:37, Charles Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> No, you are not the only person who uses a Mac with their Elecraft equipment and macOS utilities. Elecraft is aware of the 32 bit limitation, and so is the developer of the KX3 app for macOS. I expect 64 bit versions of all Elecraft utilities will be released before the general release of the next OS, assuming the pre-release developer versions have 32 bit support removed.
>
> 73, Charles, K4ZRJ
>
>
>
>> On Mar 27, 2019, at 2:10 PM, Andy McMullin <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Charles.
>>
>> So, am I the only person interested in using my Elecraft kit with a Mac in the future? If not, how can we get this app updated to work on Macs from now on? Who do we need to ask?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On 27 Mar 2019, at 17:55, Charles Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Unless Apple changes its position on 32 bit software like the KX3 Utility, 32 bit apps will not run on the next major release of macOS. The warning message is just that - a warning message that the app in question will not run on future version of the OS. The warning messages appears at random times, but is still valid. One can use the Activity Monitor app to determine what software is 32 bit and what is 64 bit.
>>>
>>> I’m a registered Apple developer, and have updated my apps to 64 bit code long ago, but some apps are written in such a way as to make conversion to 64 bit code problematic.
>>>
>>> I believe Elecraft produces the Windows versions of the apps, but the macOS and Linux versions are undertaken by others such as W4SMT.
>>>
>>> 73, Charles, K4ZRJ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Mar 27, 2019, at 12:05 PM, Andy McMullin <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> This might seem like an odd question, but I’ve tried a search of the mail list archive and not found the answer.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know if there is a trick or other way around the error messages from the KX3 Utility, when run on a modern Macintosh (mine’s running OS-X Mojave, 10.14.4), about the software not being usable on future versions? It’s to do with 32-bit versus 64-bit and future versions of the OS not running old software.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Andy, G8TQH
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
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>>
>>
>

Bill Frantz

Re: Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility

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Apple plans to not support 32 bit applications with the next
major release of MacOS. This change will hit a number of ham
radio applications as well as the Elecraft utilities.

My favorite program for SO2V RTTY, cocoaModem is one of them,
and there is no formal support for it, and the available sources
won't build under the modern MacOS development environment.

I'm hoping for a miracle.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 3/27/19 at 9:05 AM, [hidden email] (Andy McMullin) wrote:

>Does anyone know if there is a trick or other way around the
>error messages from the KX3 Utility, when run on a modern
>Macintosh (mine’s running OS-X Mojave, 10.14.4), about the
>software not being usable on future versions? It’s to do with
>32-bit versus 64-bit and future versions of the OS not running
>old software.

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Wes Stewart-2

Re: Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility

You could always do what some of us Windows users do; keep an old computer
around with legacy OS. My two shack computers and my office desktop still run
Win 7 Pro. To run my N2PK VNA, I have a laptop with a parallel port running
WinXP and I think there is still a 386 laptop out in the garage somewhere with
Win95, just in case :-) Of course the latter two have no WiFi cards in them to
avoid troubles.

Wes N7WS

ps. My son, who is the IT Manager for a national corporation, thinks I'm a Luddite.

On 3/27/2019 1:43 PM, Bill Frantz wrote:

> Apple plans to not support 32 bit applications with the next major release of
> MacOS. This change will hit a number of ham radio applications as well as the
> Elecraft utilities.
>
> My favorite program for SO2V RTTY, cocoaModem is one of them, and there is no
> formal support for it, and the available sources won't build under the modern
> MacOS development environment.
>
> I'm hoping for a miracle.
>
> 73 Bill AE6JV

Grant Youngman-2

Re: Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility

In reply to this post by Bill Frantz

It’s kind of the way things go. I’d like to be able to run some 8-bit Z-80 apps I wrote in the 1970’s (in FORTH) without pulling my old Digital Group system out of the attic, but I can’t.

Developers need to keep up. I imagine that the Elecraft macOS apps will show up as 64-bit compatible at some point, too. If not, Elecraft will alienate a (arguable small, perhaps) subset of their users, and I doubt that will happen.

Grant NQ5T (Windows free for as long as I can remember)
K3 #2091 KX3 #8342

> On Mar 27, 2019, at 4:43 PM, Bill Frantz <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Apple plans to not support 32 bit applications with the next major release of MacOS. This change will hit a number of ham radio applications as well as the Elecraft utilities.
>
> My favorite program for SO2V RTTY, cocoaModem is one of them, and there is no formal support for it, and the available sources won't build under the modern MacOS development environment.
>
> I'm hoping for a miracle.
>

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Andy McMullin

Re: Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility

At least with Apps running in FORTH you could use something like SwiftForth and keep running them under Windows or MacOS!

> On 27 Mar 2019, at 21:28, Grant Youngman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> It’s kind of the way things go. I’d like to be able to run some 8-bit Z-80 apps I wrote in the 1970’s (in FORTH) without pulling my old Digital Group system out of the attic, but I can’t.
>
> Developers need to keep up. I imagine that the Elecraft macOS apps will show up as 64-bit compatible at some point, too. If not, Elecraft will alienate a (arguable small, perhaps) subset of their users, and I doubt that will happen.
>
> Grant NQ5T (Windows free for as long as I can remember)
> K3 #2091 KX3 #8342
>
>> On Mar 27, 2019, at 4:43 PM, Bill Frantz <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Apple plans to not support 32 bit applications with the next major release of MacOS. This change will hit a number of ham radio applications as well as the Elecraft utilities.
>>
>> My favorite program for SO2V RTTY, cocoaModem is one of them, and there is no formal support for it, and the available sources won't build under the modern MacOS development environment.
>>
>> I'm hoping for a miracle.
>>
>
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Andy McMullin

Re: Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility

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Wes,

I wonder if a better answer would be to push for versions of the utilities that compile on an ARM chip so that it could be run on a Raspberry Pi. Particularly as it’s already been compiled for an X86 under Linux, so all the libraries should be there. I don’t think many of us would worry about spending 25 quid on a little computer to have just to run the utilities and maybe some of the modern digital modes?

Regards
Andy, G8TQH

> On 27 Mar 2019, at 21:23, Wes <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> You could always do what some of us Windows users do; keep an old computer around with legacy OS. My two shack computers and my office desktop still run Win 7 Pro. To run my N2PK VNA, I have a laptop with a parallel port running WinXP and I think there is still a 386 laptop out in the garage somewhere with Win95, just in case :-) Of course the latter two have no WiFi cards in them to avoid troubles.
>
> Wes N7WS
>
> ps. My son, who is the IT Manager for a national corporation, thinks I'm a Luddite.
>
> On 3/27/2019 1:43 PM, Bill Frantz wrote:
>> Apple plans to not support 32 bit applications with the next major release of MacOS. This change will hit a number of ham radio applications as well as the Elecraft utilities.
>>
>> My favorite program for SO2V RTTY, cocoaModem is one of them, and there is no formal support for it, and the available sources won't build under the modern MacOS development environment.
>>
>> I'm hoping for a miracle.
>>
>> 73 Bill AE6JV
>
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Re: Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility

What a wonderful idea… I’m thinking about adding a Pi to my shack/field kit to handle a number of chores without needing a larger computer.

David Thompson
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> On Mar 27, 2019, at 15:13, Andy McMullin <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Wes,
>
> I wonder if a better answer would be to push for versions of the utilities that compile on an ARM chip so that it could be run on a Raspberry Pi. Particularly as it’s already been compiled for an X86 under Linux, so all the libraries should be there. I don’t think many of us would worry about spending 25 quid on a little computer to have just to run the utilities and maybe some of the modern digital modes?
>
> Regards
> Andy, G8TQH
>
>> On 27 Mar 2019, at 21:23, Wes <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> You could always do what some of us Windows users do; keep an old computer around with legacy OS. My two shack computers and my office desktop still run Win 7 Pro. To run my N2PK VNA, I have a laptop with a parallel port running WinXP and I think there is still a 386 laptop out in the garage somewhere with Win95, just in case :-) Of course the latter two have no WiFi cards in them to avoid troubles.
>>
>> Wes N7WS
>>
>> ps. My son, who is the IT Manager for a national corporation, thinks I'm a Luddite.
>>
>> On 3/27/2019 1:43 PM, Bill Frantz wrote:
>>> Apple plans to not support 32 bit applications with the next major release of MacOS. This change will hit a number of ham radio applications as well as the Elecraft utilities.
>>>
>>> My favorite program for SO2V RTTY, cocoaModem is one of them, and there is no formal support for it, and the available sources won't build under the modern MacOS development environment.
>>>
>>> I'm hoping for a miracle.
>>>
>>> 73 Bill AE6JV
>>
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Wes Stewart-2

Re: Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility

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Andy,

Maybe for some, but my eyes glaze over when you start talking about that stuff.
I've already experienced the sunk costs for the old hardware.

Wes

On 3/27/2019 3:13 PM, Andy McMullin wrote:

> Wes,
>
> I wonder if a better answer would be to push for versions of the utilities that compile on an ARM chip so that it could be run on a Raspberry Pi. Particularly as it’s already been compiled for an X86 under Linux, so all the libraries should be there. I don’t think many of us would worry about spending 25 quid on a little computer to have just to run the utilities and maybe some of the modern digital modes?
>
> Regards
> Andy, G8TQH
>
>> On 27 Mar 2019, at 21:23, Wes <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> You could always do what some of us Windows users do; keep an old computer around with legacy OS. My two shack computers and my office desktop still run Win 7 Pro. To run my N2PK VNA, I have a laptop with a parallel port running WinXP and I think there is still a 386 laptop out in the garage somewhere with Win95, just in case :-) Of course the latter two have no WiFi cards in them to avoid troubles.
>>
>> Wes N7WS
>>
>> ps. My son, who is the IT Manager for a national corporation, thinks I'm a Luddite.
>>
>> On 3/27/2019 1:43 PM, Bill Frantz wrote:
>>> Apple plans to not support 32 bit applications with the next major release of MacOS. This change will hit a number of ham radio applications as well as the Elecraft utilities.
>>>
>>> My favorite program for SO2V RTTY, cocoaModem is one of them, and there is no formal support for it, and the available sources won't build under the modern MacOS development environment.
>>>
>>> I'm hoping for a miracle.
>>>
>>> 73 Bill AE6JV
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Re: Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility

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I have a Raspberry Pi in a go box with APRS software and a program
called Chirp. Chirp can program a whole slew of different radios (Not
Elecraft) :-(. In Chirp I have files that have all the local repeaters
and can install them as needed. I would love to add Elecraft utilities
to my Pi. Steve kb1chu

On 3/27/2019 6:25 PM, David Thompson via Elecraft wrote:

> What a wonderful idea… I’m thinking about adding a Pi to my shack/field kit to handle a number of chores without needing a larger computer.
>
> David Thompson
> Jack of All Trades
> Master of None
> [hidden email]
>
>
>
>> On Mar 27, 2019, at 15:13, Andy McMullin <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Wes,
>>
>> I wonder if a better answer would be to push for versions of the utilities that compile on an ARM chip so that it could be run on a Raspberry Pi. Particularly as it’s already been compiled for an X86 under Linux, so all the libraries should be there. I don’t think many of us would worry about spending 25 quid on a little computer to have just to run the utilities and maybe some of the modern digital modes?
>>
>> Regards
>> Andy, G8TQH
>>
>>> On 27 Mar 2019, at 21:23, Wes <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> You could always do what some of us Windows users do; keep an old computer around with legacy OS. My two shack computers and my office desktop still run Win 7 Pro. To run my N2PK VNA, I have a laptop with a parallel port running WinXP and I think there is still a 386 laptop out in the garage somewhere with Win95, just in case :-) Of course the latter two have no WiFi cards in them to avoid troubles.
>>>
>>> Wes N7WS
>>>
>>> ps. My son, who is the IT Manager for a national corporation, thinks I'm a Luddite.
>>>
>>> On 3/27/2019 1:43 PM, Bill Frantz wrote:
>>>> Apple plans to not support 32 bit applications with the next major release of MacOS. This change will hit a number of ham radio applications as well as the Elecraft utilities.
>>>>
>>>> My favorite program for SO2V RTTY, cocoaModem is one of them, and there is no formal support for it, and the available sources won't build under the modern MacOS development environment.
>>>>
>>>> I'm hoping for a miracle.
>>>>
>>>> 73 Bill AE6JV
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Re: Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility

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On 3/27/2019 2:23 PM, Wes wrote:
> My two shack computers and my office desktop still run Win 7 Pro. To
> run my N2PK VNA, I have a laptop with a parallel port running WinXP

Yep. I still have vintage Thinkpads left over from my days in biz that
are running XP Pro; one of them runs my VNWA, and I've used both of them
for contest logging. The two Thinkpads in my shack run Win7 Pro, and I
paid extra to get Win7 (rather than 10) on the used X2 I bought for guys
to backpack up to CM79.

As long as Microsoft continues to force updates on THEIR schedule, I'm
sticking with Win 7 for the shack as long as possible. I WANT the
updates, but I want to apply them on MY schedule.

73, Jim K9YC

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Re: Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility

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Guys;

Realize that Mac versions of the utilities are important to us “insiders” also. This is something that will be addressed in due time.

73!
Jack, W6FB

> On Mar 27, 2019, at 2:28 PM, Grant Youngman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> It’s kind of the way things go. I’d like to be able to run some 8-bit Z-80 apps I wrote in the 1970’s (in FORTH) without pulling my old Digital Group system out of the attic, but I can’t.
>
> Developers need to keep up. I imagine that the Elecraft macOS apps will show up as 64-bit compatible at some point, too. If not, Elecraft will alienate a (arguable small, perhaps) subset of their users, and I doubt that will happen.
>
> Grant NQ5T (Windows free for as long as I can remember)
> K3 #2091 KX3 #8342
>
>> On Mar 27, 2019, at 4:43 PM, Bill Frantz <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Apple plans to not support 32 bit applications with the next major release of MacOS. This change will hit a number of ham radio applications as well as the Elecraft utilities.
>>
>> My favorite program for SO2V RTTY, cocoaModem is one of them, and there is no formal support for it, and the available sources won't build under the modern MacOS development environment.
>>
>> I'm hoping for a miracle.
>>
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Re: Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility

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What OS are you using on the RPi?
Terry, KQ5U

On 3/27/2019 6:01 PM, Steve via Elecraft wrote:

> I have a Raspberry Pi in a go box with APRS software and a program
> called Chirp. Chirp can program a whole slew of different radios (Not
> Elecraft) :-(. In Chirp I have files that have all the local repeaters
> and can install them as needed. I would love to add Elecraft utilities
> to my Pi. Steve kb1chu
>
> On 3/27/2019 6:25 PM, David Thompson via Elecraft wrote:
>> What a wonderful idea… I’m thinking about adding a Pi to my
>> shack/field kit to handle a number of chores without needing a larger
>> computer.
>>
>> David Thompson
>> Jack of All Trades
>> Master of None
>> [hidden email]
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Mar 27, 2019, at 15:13, Andy McMullin <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Wes,
>>>
>>> I wonder if a better answer would be to push for versions of the
>>> utilities that compile on an ARM chip so that it could be run on a
>>> Raspberry Pi. Particularly as it’s already been compiled for an X86
>>> under Linux, so all the libraries should be there. I don’t think
>>> many of us would worry about spending 25 quid on a little computer
>>> to have just to run the utilities and maybe some of the modern
>>> digital modes?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Andy, G8TQH
>>>
>>>> On 27 Mar 2019, at 21:23, Wes <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You could always do what some of us Windows users do; keep an old
>>>> computer around with legacy OS. My two shack computers and my
>>>> office desktop still run Win 7 Pro. To run my N2PK VNA, I have a
>>>> laptop with a parallel port running WinXP and I think there is
>>>> still a 386 laptop out in the garage somewhere with Win95, just in
>>>> case :-) Of course the latter two have no WiFi cards in them to
>>>> avoid troubles.
>>>>
>>>> Wes N7WS
>>>>
>>>> ps. My son, who is the IT Manager for a national corporation,
>>>> thinks I'm a Luddite.
>>>>
>>>> On 3/27/2019 1:43 PM, Bill Frantz wrote:
>>>>> Apple plans to not support 32 bit applications with the next major
>>>>> release of MacOS. This change will hit a number of ham radio
>>>>> applications as well as the Elecraft utilities.
>>>>>
>>>>> My favorite program for SO2V RTTY, cocoaModem is one of them, and
>>>>> there is no formal support for it, and the available sources won't
>>>>> build under the modern MacOS development environment.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm hoping for a miracle.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73 Bill AE6JV
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Re: Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility

I have always used the latest version of Raspberian. Now its raspbian
stretch. https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/raspbian/

I have an 8 AH 12 volt SLA battery and a small 12 to 5 volt converter
for the PI . The battery is also the supply for my KX3 and can recharge
an HT. I would be excited to be able to add Elecraft utilities to the
Raspberry Pi.

Yes SLA batteries are heavy but I have yet to meet a ham that couldn't
use a little bit more exercise. Myself included.They are also cheap.
Steve kb1chu

On 3/27/2019 8:22 PM, Terry wrote:

> What OS are you using on the RPi?
> Terry, KQ5U
>
> On 3/27/2019 6:01 PM, Steve via Elecraft wrote:
>> I have a Raspberry Pi in a go box with APRS software and a program
>> called Chirp. Chirp can program a whole slew of different radios (Not
>> Elecraft) :-(. In Chirp I have files that have all the local
>> repeaters and can install them as needed. I would love to add
>> Elecraft utilities to my Pi. Steve kb1chu
>>
>> On 3/27/2019 6:25 PM, David Thompson via Elecraft wrote:
>>> What a wonderful idea… I’m thinking about adding a Pi to my
>>> shack/field kit to handle a number of chores without needing a
>>> larger computer.
>>>
>>> David Thompson
>>> Jack of All Trades
>>> Master of None
>>> [hidden email]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Mar 27, 2019, at 15:13, Andy McMullin <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Wes,
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if a better answer would be to push for versions of the
>>>> utilities that compile on an ARM chip so that it could be run on a
>>>> Raspberry Pi. Particularly as it’s already been compiled for an X86
>>>> under Linux, so all the libraries should be there. I don’t think
>>>> many of us would worry about spending 25 quid on a little computer
>>>> to have just to run the utilities and maybe some of the modern
>>>> digital modes?
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Andy, G8TQH
>>>>
>>>>> On 27 Mar 2019, at 21:23, Wes <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> You could always do what some of us Windows users do; keep an old
>>>>> computer around with legacy OS. My two shack computers and my
>>>>> office desktop still run Win 7 Pro. To run my N2PK VNA, I have a
>>>>> laptop with a parallel port running WinXP and I think there is
>>>>> still a 386 laptop out in the garage somewhere with Win95, just in
>>>>> case :-) Of course the latter two have no WiFi cards in them to
>>>>> avoid troubles.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wes N7WS
>>>>>
>>>>> ps. My son, who is the IT Manager for a national corporation,
>>>>> thinks I'm a Luddite.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/27/2019 1:43 PM, Bill Frantz wrote:
>>>>>> Apple plans to not support 32 bit applications with the next
>>>>>> major release of MacOS. This change will hit a number of ham
>>>>>> radio applications as well as the Elecraft utilities.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My favorite program for SO2V RTTY, cocoaModem is one of them, and
>>>>>> there is no formal support for it, and the available sources
>>>>>> won't build under the modern MacOS development environment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm hoping for a miracle.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 73 Bill AE6JV
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