Mail list not working?

[Bill-3]

Is the mail list not working or is it on my side? Last post I see was on
the 15th.

Bill W2BLC K-Line


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[Grant Youngman]

Must be on your side somewhere.  

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> On Mar 18, 2016, at 12:50 PM, Bill <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Is the mail list not working or is it on my side? Last post I see was on the 15th.
>
> Bill W2BLC K-Line

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Working OK in Montana ...

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[Bill-3]

Interesting - not working on Win 7 machines or the Win 10 machines.
Maybe Time Warner views the list as vermin and has it blocked. All else
is working here and it is not a cache problem either. Not the first time
this has happened - it takes care of itself after a few days. Maybe it
will this time also. I even dumped the router/modem - no joy there, just
wasted time.


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You can always read the posts in the archives:
http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2016-March/date.html

John KK9A

Bill w2blc at nycap.rr.com
Fri Mar 18 14:27:29 EDT 2016
[Elecraft] Mail list not working?

Interesting - not working on Win 7 machines or the Win 10 machines.
Maybe Time Warner views the list as vermin and has it blocked. All else
is working here and it is not a cache problem either. Not the first time
this has happened - it takes care of itself after a few days. Maybe it
will this time also. I even dumped the router/modem - no joy there, just
wasted time.

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[Jerry Moore]

Working on my windows 10 desktop, my windows 7 laptop, my Apple IPADMini,
and my Galaxy S6 Android phone.

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From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Bill
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 2:27 PM
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Mail list not working?

Interesting - not working on Win 7 machines or the Win 10 machines.
Maybe Time Warner views the list as vermin and has it blocked. All else is
working here and it is not a cache problem either. Not the first time this
has happened - it takes care of itself after a few days. Maybe it will this
time also. I even dumped the router/modem - no joy there, just wasted time.


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[Bill-3]

I always chuckle how it is always the user's fault When the ISP chokes
on an email - the message you get is to "resend the proper password" -
or some such indicator that it is the user's fault. That appears to be
the attitude with this list. The problem is with the user. At least,
that is how I would interpret all those direct emails I received from
other users.

Got news - in this case (and most cases) it was not.

This morning the list spit a bunch of messages out - but is still not
completely up to date. Nothing was done here to cause this. Hence, the
problem lies some place between the mailman.qth.net and the local ISP.
Makes me think that mail-archive.com has a propagation problem. This is
not an issue that will ever be solved by the user.

Bill W2BLC K-Line
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[Joe Subich, W4TV-4]

On 3/19/2016 8:37 AM, Bill wrote:
> Makes me think that mail-archive.com has a propagation problem. This
> is not an issue that will ever be solved by the user.

Maybe you should be receiving the list *directly from Mailman* and not
using an intermediary server/service like mail-archive.com.  I do not
see any issues with the direct e-mail.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV



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[Brendon Whateley]

Bill,

I have extensive experience getting email delivered in a commercial setting
for our product that sends 1000s of status and report emails per day. While
it is wrong to blame the actual recipient, delivery problems are almost
always related to the recipient's email service, often an ISP of company.

We see this every day where we can see that our email servers have
delivered the email to the recipient's email server and yet the user never
has it delivered to his or her inbox. The usual reason is related to
anti-spam measures that ISPs employ. Most now discard a good percentage of
inbound email without even bothering to place it in a spam folder.
Sometimes, like gmail does all the time, the email is quarantined either
for a period of time or indefinitely pending manual release. This is often
done to see if this is a an email that is being sent to many other
recipients at the ISP, in which case it is probably spam.

Others are more helpful, sending our servers a rejection message saying
things line "Blacklisted" or "violates local email policy" or something
similar. Other times it is a temporary error of some sort and we get
rejections saying "excessive email rate", "user not found" or "mailbox
full". We can often see that this is an error, because after some number of
attempts or a few days, the "User is again found".

My point is that in all these cases, the delivery is failing on the "user's
side of the internet" even if they have no direct control of the receiving
email server. And short of coordinating with the ISP to get whitelisted,
there is not a lot the sender can do.

Regards,
- Brendon
KK6AYI

On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 5:37 AM, Bill <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I always chuckle how it is always the user's fault When the ISP chokes on
> an email - the message you get is to "resend the proper password" - or some
> such indicator that it is the user's fault. That appears to be the attitude
> with this list. The problem is with the user. At least, that is how I would
> interpret all those direct emails I received from other users.
>
> Got news - in this case (and most cases) it was not.
>
> This morning the list spit a bunch of messages out - but is still not
> completely up to date. Nothing was done here to cause this. Hence, the
> problem lies some place between the mailman.qth.net and the local ISP.
> Makes me think that mail-archive.com has a propagation problem. This is
> not an issue that will ever be solved by the user.
>
> Bill W2BLC K-Line
>
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