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Barry

Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

As Elecraft has grown, this email list has gotten quite a bit more traffic. It's not easy to manage, especially with the increasing number of products all lumped in.

Why not convert it over to a forum? Use vBulletin or similar, and every product can have its own subcategory, and it would be much easier to pick and choose topics of interest.

Thoughts?

Barry W2UP

NK7Z

Re: Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

I heartedly agree, at an average of around 1000 messages per month, it
is getting very difficult to just hit delete, or filter out the vast
number of OT messages...

Having sub forums would be wonderful.

73s and thanks,
Dave
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On 08/19/2017 05:12 AM, Barry wrote:

> As Elecraft has grown, this email list has gotten quite a bit more traffic.
> It's not easy to manage, especially with the increasing number of products
> all lumped in.
>
> Why not convert it over to a forum? Use vBulletin or similar, and every
> product can have its own subcategory, and it would be much easier to pick
> and choose topics of interest.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Barry W2UP
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rich hurd WC3T

Re: Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

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Therein lies the age old conundrum. Do you use a "pull" mechanism (a
forum) requiring a subscriber to go get the information from the site, or a
"push" mechanism where the data shows up in the inbox?

I've been both a forum admin (even a sysop at CompuServe) and an email
admin, so I've dealt with both.

If someone joins a forum but most of their traffic comes to their inbox,
the forum activity will be muted in the continuing flood of emails. I've
done this myself when I lose interest in something I subscribe to; change
to "forum only" so I have to go to the forum (and of course never do).

This is a big change to those accustomed to getting inbox traffic. I
guarantee there will be either a falloff or a shift in the dynamic of the
community.

On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 08:12 Barry <[hidden email]> wrote:

> As Elecraft has grown, this email list has gotten quite a bit more traffic.
> It's not easy to manage, especially with the increasing number of products
> all lumped in.
>
> Why not convert it over to a forum? Use vBulletin or similar, and every
> product can have its own subcategory, and it would be much easier to pick
> and choose topics of interest.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Barry W2UP
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Steve Sergeant

Re: Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

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Like other email lists which convert to a forum, it would change the
whole character of the group and interactions. In my mind it would make
it less social, less friendly, and fewer people would bother to share
their knowledge and experience. I would only visit such a forum if I had
my own specific question to ask or problem to solve; I wouldn't think to
just cruise it to look for ways to help others.

The answer to the problem you describe is for people to get real email
clients with filtering and threading, and to learn how to use them.

Even with Thunderbird, which is just an OK email client, I can easily
manage to volume on this list. I filter all messages to its own separate
mailbox, and they age-off (are deleted) automatically when they're older
than about six weeks.

On 8/19/17 5:12 AM, Barry wrote:

Clay Autery-2

Re: Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

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I've enjoyed the reflector approach. The forum would allow for more
classification and potentially easier searching, but I believe we'll
lose responsiveness and "that something" that I sense here on the reflector.

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On 8/19/2017 7:12 AM, Barry wrote:

WW3S

Re: Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

where's the LIKE Button ?!?!?!1

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I've enjoyed the reflector approach. The forum would allow for more
classification and potentially easier searching, but I believe we'll
lose responsiveness and "that something" that I sense here on the reflector.

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On 8/19/2017 7:12 AM, Barry wrote:

> As Elecraft has grown, this email list has gotten quite a bit more
> traffic.
> It's not easy to manage, especially with the increasing number of products
> all lumped in.
>
> Why not convert it over to a forum? Use vBulletin or similar, and every
> product can have its own subcategory, and it would be much easier to pick
> and choose topics of interest.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Barry W2UP

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Grant Youngman-2

Re: Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

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Meh …

I use several forums for a range of topics I have an interest in — ham and not ham — they also have their plusses and minuses. And I fully agree that conversion to a forum structure will significantly alter the kind of interaction that takes place.

I subscribe to several active reflectors, and don’t feel much sympathy for folks who complain about how difficult it makes their lives to sort through their inbox from just this ONE ;-) Most of the time It isn’t very busy on a relative basis :-)

And like other comments, once I have to actually visit a forum because I've shut down the feed on individual messages, or just occasionally visit the archives of a reflector to see what’s been going on, it’s a good sign I’m losing interest and eventually just drop out.

> If someone joins a forum but most of their traffic comes to their inbox,
> the forum activity will be muted in the continuing flood of emails. I've
> done this myself when I lose interest in something I subscribe to; change
> to "forum only" so I have to go to the forum (and of course never do).
>
> This is a big change to those accustomed to getting inbox traffic. I
> guarantee there will be either a falloff or a shift in the dynamic of the
> community.
>
>

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NK7Z

Re: Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

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Respectfully-- of course there will be a change. As KX3 owners move to
the proposed new KX3 forum, and K3 owners move to the proposed new K3
forums the entire feel of the list will change. That was, I believe,
the idea behind the OPs original suggestion, which I support.

Soapbox mode on:

Alas, the request for forums will get probably get drowned out in all
the posts foretelling doom and gloom to the mail list if anything changes...

Soapbox mode off

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Re: Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

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Another vote for a Forum format. I use forums for several specialty/collector cars. MUCH easier to navigate and isolate the subjects that interest me. Using Nabble to find information is time consuming and very awkward.

Even though this subject has been brought to Elecraft's attention several times in the past, for some reason they keep shooting it down. It is time to update this to the 21st century. For a company that prides itself on customer service and "friendliness" the present method is a failure.

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Tim Seed

Re: Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

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I personally like seeing the cool stuff people do with their Elecraft products. I fear this will be lost using vBulletin or similar forum approaches.

I do not have a KX2 and I do not think I will I ever buy one (Got the KX3!!)- but I like reading about people going to Walk the Camino Trail, the same goes for the remote Ops, the same for the info regarding filters and Macro programming.

Regards to all

Tim, A45WG

> On Aug 19, 2017, at 5:43 PM, Dave Cole <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Respectfully-- of course there will be a change. As KX3 owners move to the proposed new KX3 forum, and K3 owners move to the proposed new K3 forums the entire feel of the list will change. That was, I believe, the idea behind the OPs original suggestion, which I support.
>
> Soapbox mode on:
>
> Alas, the request for forums will get probably get drowned out in all the posts foretelling doom and gloom to the mail list if anything changes...
>
> Soapbox mode off
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> 73s and thanks,
> Dave
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NK7Z

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While I whole heartedly agree the forum needs looking at, it is after
all Elecraft's forum, and as such, they get to do with it as they
please....

I will be happy with any result, but I would be happier with a forum change.

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Dave
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On 08/19/2017 07:04 AM, Steve Mollman via Elecraft wrote:

> Another vote for a Forum format. I use forums for several specialty/collector cars. MUCH easier to navigate and isolate the subjects that interest me. Using Nabble to find information is time consuming and very awkward.
>
> Even though this subject has been brought to Elecraft's attention several times in the past, for some reason they keep shooting it down. It is time to update this to the 21st century. For a company that prides itself on customer service and "friendliness" the present method is a failure.
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NK7Z

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That is the beauty of a forum, you can subscribe to just what interests
you... If you like KX3s and KX2s, sub to both forums. If you like
Macros, sub to a a third forum...

That way I don't have to see the discussions about walking around with a
KX3, (I own a K3), and/or construct an almost daily changing filter set
because people fail to add either, OT, or the radio name to the subject
lines.

73s and thanks,
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On 08/19/2017 07:05 AM, a45wg wrote:

> I personally like seeing the cool stuff people do with their Elecraft products. I fear this will be lost using vBulletin or similar forum approaches.
>
> I do not have a KX2 and I do not think I will I ever buy one (Got the KX3!!)- but I like reading about people going to Walk the Camino Trail, the same goes for the remote Ops, the same for the info regarding filters and Macro programming.
>
> Regards to all
>
> Tim, A45WG
>
>
>> On Aug 19, 2017, at 5:43 PM, Dave Cole <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Respectfully-- of course there will be a change. As KX3 owners move to the proposed new KX3 forum, and K3 owners move to the proposed new K3 forums the entire feel of the list will change. That was, I believe, the idea behind the OPs original suggestion, which I support.
>>
>> Soapbox mode on:
>>
>> Alas, the request for forums will get probably get drowned out in all the posts foretelling doom and gloom to the mail list if anything changes...
>>
>> Soapbox mode off
>>
>>
>> 73s and thanks,
>> Dave
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john@kk9a.com

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I concur. I also read the archives and it just saved me from deleting the
three dozen eclipse posts that have nothing to do with Elecraft.
Unfortunately I do not see a good way to search the archives, it is quite
easy to do with the lists on contesting.com.

John KK9A

John AE5X wrote:
Sat Aug 19 09:00:32 EDT 2017

I don't know why so many people insist on making use of this list in the
most difficult way possible - by receiving individual emails or via the
daily summary email...

A far easier way is to just look periodically (daily, hourly) at the list
of messages here:
http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2017-August/date.html

and click on the topics that are of interest to you. Turn off the email
delivery function of list postings entirely - your "Delete" key will thank
you.

John AE5X
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I really like the format on Antique Radios:

http://antiqueradios.com/forums/

73, Roger

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Philip Anderson

Re: Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

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I was going to suggest splitting the list into 2 lists - a high volume
list for general chit-chat, and a low volume list that's restricted to
only discussing technical questions with Elecraft products.

I'm not interested in things like the eclipse in america, and would like
to unsubscribe from such content directly into my inbox.

I guess the discussion could be further threaded by creating separate
lists for separate Elecraft products (or groups of products) - if it was
preferred to stick with a "push" email system and not go with a forum.

phil G4PWO

On 19/08/2017 13:12, Barry wrote:

Grant Youngman-2

Re: Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

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Really? A separate forum for Macros???? Would that be TWO forums — one for KX3 macros and one for K3 macros? Or separate forums for the KX# used only for a home station and a KX# used while backpacking?

It makes me wonder how people read a newspaper. Did they write letters to the editor complaining about all of the OT stories they weren’t interested in and how turning so many pages (especially on Sunday) that made their life more difficult? Was there a customized option delivered to their door that contained only the very specific news items or points of view they wanted to read? Did they complain about ink and paper usage for stuff that wasn’t personally interesting?

In the end I suppose it doesn’t really matter whether it’s a reflector or a forum, although my personal preference is the former. I’d probably read the whole thing anyway (or all 15 of them?), since one never knows when there might be a tidbit of actual good information that doesn’t have their personal navel in the subject line.

The whole argument about it is kind of silly, egregiously self-centered, and just adds to the queue length … last time I had that kind of tunnel vision I was pulling high G’s in a jet trainer :-)

>
> That is the beauty of a forum, you can subscribe to just what interests you... If you like KX3s and KX2s, sub to both forums. If you like Macros, sub to a a third forum...
>
> That way I don't have to see the discussions about walking around with a KX3, (I own a K3), and/or construct an almost daily changing filter set because people fail to add either, OT, or the radio name to the subject lines.
>

Grant NQ5T
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Michael Bower

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I MUCH prefer the reflector because I don't have to do anything but read
and/or delete. I don't have to 'go anywhere' to get the messages. They
are in my mailbox.

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> Really? A separate forum for Macros???? Would that be TWO forums — one
> for KX3 macros and one for K3 macros? Or separate forums for the KX# used
> only for a home station and a KX# used while backpacking?
>
> It makes me wonder how people read a newspaper. Did they write letters to
> the editor complaining about all of the OT stories they weren’t interested
> in and how turning so many pages (especially on Sunday) that made their
> life more difficult? Was there a customized option delivered to their door
> that contained only the very specific news items or points of view they
> wanted to read? Did they complain about ink and paper usage for stuff that
> wasn’t personally interesting?
>
> In the end I suppose it doesn’t really matter whether it’s a reflector or
> a forum, although my personal preference is the former. I’d probably read
> the whole thing anyway (or all 15 of them?), since one never knows when
> there might be a tidbit of actual good information that doesn’t have their
> personal navel in the subject line.
>
> The whole argument about it is kind of silly, egregiously self-centered,
> and just adds to the queue length … last time I had that kind of tunnel
> vision I was pulling high G’s in a jet trainer :-)
>
> >
> > That is the beauty of a forum, you can subscribe to just what interests
> you... If you like KX3s and KX2s, sub to both forums. If you like Macros,
> sub to a a third forum...
> >
> > That way I don't have to see the discussions about walking around with a
> KX3, (I own a K3), and/or construct an almost daily changing filter set
> because people fail to add either, OT, or the radio name to the subject
> lines.
> >
>
> Grant NQ5T
> K3 #2091, KX3 #8342
>
>
>
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Michael Walker

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Email works for me. Easy to delete. Easy to search. Easy to catalog.

The advantage of using Gmail. Zero Spam.

It gets pushed to me and I don't have to go looking for it.

Mike va3mw

On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Philip Anderson <[hidden email]
> wrote:

> I was going to suggest splitting the list into 2 lists - a high volume
> list for general chit-chat, and a low volume list that's restricted to only
> discussing technical questions with Elecraft products.
>
>
> I'm not interested in things like the eclipse in america, and would like
> to unsubscribe from such content directly into my inbox.
>
>
> I guess the discussion could be further threaded by creating separate
> lists for separate Elecraft products (or groups of products) - if it was
> preferred to stick with a "push" email system and not go with a forum.
>
>
> phil G4PWO
>
>
>
> On 19/08/2017 13:12, Barry wrote:
>
>> As Elecraft has grown, this email list has gotten quite a bit more
>> traffic.
>> It's not easy to manage, especially with the increasing number of products
>> all lumped in.
>>
>> Why not convert it over to a forum? Use vBulletin or similar, and every
>> product can have its own subcategory, and it would be much easier to pick
>> and choose topics of interest.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Barry W2UP
>>
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NK7Z

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Hello Grant,

On 08/19/2017 07:49 AM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote:
> Really? A separate forum for Macros???? Would that be TWO forums — one for KX3 macros and one for K3 macros? Or separate forums for the KX# used only for a home station and a KX# used while backpacking?
You appear to be creating intentionally obfuscated conditions in which
you can make something appear to not work... Forums have worked for
decades...

> It makes me wonder how people read a newspaper. Did they write letters to the editor complaining about all of the OT stories they weren’t interested in and how turning so many pages (especially on Sunday) that made their life more difficult? Was there a customized option delivered to their door that contained only the very specific news items or points of view they wanted to read? Did they complain about ink and paper usage for stuff that wasn’t personally interesting?
If the Internet were a Newspaper then your argument would hold some
validity, it is however not a newspaper, so your analogy fails, as does
your argument. Again, the custom obfuscated conditions to make a point...

> In the end I suppose it doesn’t really matter whether it’s a reflector or a forum, although my personal preference is the former. I’d probably read the whole thing anyway (or all 15 of them?), since one never knows when there might be a tidbit of actual good information that doesn’t have their personal navel in the subject line.
You get what you want, to see all posts, and others get what they want
to be able to sort posts... Good idea!!

> The whole argument about it is kind of silly, egregiously self-centered, and just adds to the queue length … last time I had that kind of tunnel vision I was pulling high G’s in a jet trainer :-)
Sigh... Insulting people for making suggestions is probably not the way
to win them over to your point... A reasoned argument is better.

73s and thanks,
Dave
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Allan Zadiraka

Re: Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

In reply to this post by Michael Bower

Since I own a number of Elecraft products, I am very happy with the current
setup. Separate forums would mean I would have to go to multiple places to
follow the different products. The Elecraft traffic is a minor part of my
daily email load (~500/day) and I am interested in seeing trends on other
Elecraft products in case I want to evaluate purchasing one.

zeke
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On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 10:58 AM, Michael Bower <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I MUCH prefer the reflector because I don't have to do anything but read
> and/or delete. I don't have to 'go anywhere' to get the messages. They
> are in my mailbox.
>
> On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 10:49 AM, GRANT YOUNGMAN <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > Really? A separate forum for Macros???? Would that be TWO forums — one
> > for KX3 macros and one for K3 macros? Or separate forums for the KX#
> used
> > only for a home station and a KX# used while backpacking?
> >
> > It makes me wonder how people read a newspaper. Did they write letters
> to
> > the editor complaining about all of the OT stories they weren’t
> interested
> > in and how turning so many pages (especially on Sunday) that made their
> > life more difficult? Was there a customized option delivered to their
> door
> > that contained only the very specific news items or points of view they
> > wanted to read? Did they complain about ink and paper usage for stuff
> that
> > wasn’t personally interesting?
> >
> > In the end I suppose it doesn’t really matter whether it’s a reflector or
> > a forum, although my personal preference is the former. I’d probably
> read
> > the whole thing anyway (or all 15 of them?), since one never knows when
> > there might be a tidbit of actual good information that doesn’t have
> their
> > personal navel in the subject line.
> >
> > The whole argument about it is kind of silly, egregiously self-centered,
> > and just adds to the queue length … last time I had that kind of tunnel
> > vision I was pulling high G’s in a jet trainer :-)
> >
> > >
> > > That is the beauty of a forum, you can subscribe to just what interests
> > you... If you like KX3s and KX2s, sub to both forums. If you like
> Macros,
> > sub to a a third forum...
> > >
> > > That way I don't have to see the discussions about walking around with
> a
> > KX3, (I own a K3), and/or construct an almost daily changing filter set
> > because people fail to add either, OT, or the radio name to the subject
> > lines.
> > >
> >
> > Grant NQ5T
> > K3 #2091, KX3 #8342
> >
> >
> >
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