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Joshua Gould, K8WXA

Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac

As I'm tuning around the bands I keep finding frequencies that I would like
to place into memories with tags. I've always found the easiest way to do
this was via a computer. I know that there is a memory manager for the K3
and KX3 for Windows, but my VM is kind of squirlly so I'm looking for
something that can manage the memory in the KX3 natively.

73,
Joshua Gould
K8WXA
EM89pn
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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac

Joshua,

The native KX3 (no computer required) has 100 memories. See page 17 of
the owner's manual for further information.

This is not really a save and restore "on the fly" memory, but can
almost be used as such. Tunr to the frequency desired and them hold
STORE, then rotate the VFO A knob to a desired memory slot and hold
STORE again.
To get back to the stored memory, Hold RCL, select the memory with VFO A
and tap any switch.
The memories can also have meaningful text labels.

There are also 4 'quick memories' per band that may be useful to you.
Again, no need for a computer.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/11/2015 10:03 PM, Joshua Gould wrote:
> As I'm tuning around the bands I keep finding frequencies that I would like
> to place into memories with tags. I've always found the easiest way to do
> this was via a computer. I know that there is a memory manager for the K3
> and KX3 for Windows, but my VM is kind of squirlly so I'm looking for
> something that can manage the memory in the KX3 natively.
>
>

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GM4JJJ

Re: Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac

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I agree, there is a gap in the market for a Macintosh memory manager for the KX3/K3.

Perhaps Don Agro the author of MacLoggerDX at Dog Park Software may consider adding it to his excellent free MacMemoriesManager program, though I note he has discontinued it, so probably not unfortunately.

http://www.dogparksoftware.com

OFF TOPIC ( stop now if you could care less)

When I get some time I might look at how difficult it would be to do something myself. I have used Xojo (formerly REALbasic) to develop cross platform Macintosh, Windows and sometimes Linux software. I note that the Elecraft utilities are also written on that same IDE., which makes sense if you want to quickly develop for more than one platform.

You generally find that software for amateur radio gets written by individuals who have some piece of equipment themselves, but find there is no software to do what they want available on their chosen computer platform and they end up writing it themselves by necessity.

That is how I ended up writing software to support Mac HP GPS Control (all the good names had gone) for the Z3801A time and frequency standard, it was later expanded to include other variants of the same thing that I did not have myself (much harder to debug with no hardware to test on). I was surprised to find there was a small worldwide market for such a specialised thing.

So, in order to get someone to write this, you need to find someone that has a desire to write it for themselves, namely someone with a love of Macintosh computers and who possesses the KX3 and of course has the spare time to do it. It is a labour of love, not a commercial endeavour.

Anyone could do it, I have no formal training in software writing, apart from a week in FORTRAN with punched cards on a terminal in 1972 when I never even saw the computer, only the green and white line printer error messages the next day. Nearly put me off computing for life.

It wasn't until the era of the personal computer that I became interested, first with the Acorn Atom when I wrote a Moon Tracking program which has been modified over the years from an early beginning to run on the Macintosh and Windows PC.

73

David Anderson GM4JJJ

> On 12 Feb 2015, at 03:03, Joshua Gould <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> As I'm tuning around the bands I keep finding frequencies that I would like
> to place into memories with tags. I've always found the easiest way to do
> this was via a computer. I know that there is a memory manager for the K3
> and KX3 for Windows, but my VM is kind of squirlly so I'm looking for
> something that can manage the memory in the KX3 natively.
>
>
> 73,
> Joshua Gould
> K8WXA
> EM89pn
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Rick Prather-3

Re: Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac

When the Memory Manager first came out it was said that it would be ported
to the Mac soon. That was about three years ago...
Don't know what happened.

David you bring up an interesting topic. I am of the opinion that the
ability to run virtual machines (Parallels, Fusion, etc) on the Mac wound
up costing us a lot of good Ham software. Too often the answer given for
running ham software on the Mac is to run it under Parallels, etc.

If that option wasn't there I bet more talented programmers would have
jumped in and written Mac specific software.

Good news is that I see more and more interest in doing that with new
software such as JT-Bridge being worked on. Also, Tom DL2RUM is working on
an update to his RUMlog called RUMlogNG. For the DX'er RUMlog on the Mac
is as close as you can get to DXLabs on the PC.

I hope we see more in the future. There really are a lot of Hams that run
Macs and would like to stay within OS X for their software.

Rick
K6LE

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 1:41 AM, David Anderson <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I agree, there is a gap in the market for a Macintosh memory manager for
> the KX3/K3.
>
> Perhaps Don Agro the author of MacLoggerDX at Dog Park Software may
> consider adding it to his excellent free MacMemoriesManager program, though
> I note he has discontinued it, so probably not unfortunately.
>
> http://www.dogparksoftware.com
>
> OFF TOPIC ( stop now if you could care less)
>
> When I get some time I might look at how difficult it would be to do
> something myself. I have used Xojo (formerly REALbasic) to develop cross
> platform Macintosh, Windows and sometimes Linux software. I note that the
> Elecraft utilities are also written on that same IDE., which makes sense if
> you want to quickly develop for more than one platform.
>
> You generally find that software for amateur radio gets written by
> individuals who have some piece of equipment themselves, but find there is
> no software to do what they want available on their chosen computer
> platform and they end up writing it themselves by necessity.
>
> That is how I ended up writing software to support Mac HP GPS Control (all
> the good names had gone) for the Z3801A time and frequency standard, it was
> later expanded to include other variants of the same thing that I did not
> have myself (much harder to debug with no hardware to test on). I was
> surprised to find there was a small worldwide market for such a specialised
> thing.
>
> So, in order to get someone to write this, you need to find someone that
> has a desire to write it for themselves, namely someone with a love of
> Macintosh computers and who possesses the KX3 and of course has the spare
> time to do it. It is a labour of love, not a commercial endeavour.
>
> Anyone could do it, I have no formal training in software writing, apart
> from a week in FORTRAN with punched cards on a terminal in 1972 when I
> never even saw the computer, only the green and white line printer error
> messages the next day. Nearly put me off computing for life.
>
> It wasn't until the era of the personal computer that I became interested,
> first with the Acorn Atom when I wrote a Moon Tracking program which has
> been modified over the years from an early beginning to run on the
> Macintosh and Windows PC.
>
>
> 73
>
> David Anderson GM4JJJ
>
> > On 12 Feb 2015, at 03:03, Joshua Gould <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > As I'm tuning around the bands I keep finding frequencies that I would
> like
> > to place into memories with tags. I've always found the easiest way to
> do
> > this was via a computer. I know that there is a memory manager for the
> K3
> > and KX3 for Windows, but my VM is kind of squirlly so I'm looking for
> > something that can manage the memory in the KX3 natively.
> >
> >
> > 73,
> > Joshua Gould
> > K8WXA
> > EM89pn
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Phil Wheeler-2

Re: Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac

Rick,

Re "I am of the opinion that the ability to run
virtual machines (Parallels, Fusion, etc) on the
Mac wound up costing us a lot of good Ham
software. Too often the answer given for running
ham software on the Mac is to run it under
Parallels, etc. If that option wasn't there I bet
more talented programmers would have jumped in and
written Mac specific software."

I'd not blame the virtual machines too quickly. I
run Windows 7 on both my Macs, using Bootcamp
(which is provided as part of OS X by Apple).
Parallels gave me problems in times past, and with
solid-state drives in each machine, rebooting
takes little time.

If anyone is to blame (is that the right word?)
it's Apple for switching from Power PC CPUs to
Intel CPUs, making it possible to run Windows,
etc. on a Mac.

73, Phil W7OX

On 2/12/15 8:56 AM, Rick Prather wrote:

> When the Memory Manager first came out it was said that it would be ported
> to the Mac soon. That was about three years ago...
> Don't know what happened.
>
> David you bring up an interesting topic. I am of the opinion that the
> ability to run virtual machines (Parallels, Fusion, etc) on the Mac wound
> up costing us a lot of good Ham software. Too often the answer given for
> running ham software on the Mac is to run it under Parallels, etc.
>
> If that option wasn't there I bet more talented programmers would have
> jumped in and written Mac specific software.
>
> Good news is that I see more and more interest in doing that with new
> software such as JT-Bridge being worked on. Also, Tom DL2RUM is working on
> an update to his RUMlog called RUMlogNG. For the DX'er RUMlog on the Mac
> is as close as you can get to DXLabs on the PC.
>
> I hope we see more in the future. There really are a lot of Hams that run
> Macs and would like to stay within OS X for their software.
>
> Rick
> K6LE

Scott Manthe-2

Re: Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac

That move likely saved the Mac, Phil.

73,
Scott, N9AA

On 2/12/15 12:13 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
>
> If anyone is to blame (is that the right word?) it's Apple for
> switching from Power PC CPUs to Intel CPUs, making it possible to run
> Windows, etc. on a Mac.
>
> 73, Phil W7OX
>

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Phil Wheeler-2

Re: Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac

I absolutely agree, for several reasons, Scott.

Phil W7OX

On 2/12/15 9:24 AM, Scott Manthe wrote:

> That move likely saved the Mac, Phil.
>
> 73,
> Scott, N9AA
>
> On 2/12/15 12:13 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
>>
>> If anyone is to blame (is that the right word?)
>> it's Apple for switching from Power PC CPUs to
>> Intel CPUs, making it possible to run Windows,
>> etc. on a Mac.
>>
>> 73, Phil W7OX

GM4JJJ

Re: Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac (OT)

In reply to this post by Rick Prather-3

Rick,

More off topic

> On 12 Feb 2015, at 16:56, Rick Prather <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> When the Memory Manager first came out it was said that it would be ported to the Mac soon. That was about three years ago...
> Don't know what happened.

Yes, good point, I suppose it depends what was used for creating the software? It seems to rely on Microsoft stuff, that is probably the reason it isn't easily ported, so would need to be started from scratch. If enough people ask then maybe something would happen.

>
> David you bring up an interesting topic. I am of the opinion that the ability to run virtual machines (Parallels, Fusion, etc) on the Mac wound up costing us a lot of good Ham software. Too often the answer given for running ham software on the Mac is to run it under Parallels, etc.
>

Actually although all my testing of Windows stuff is done in Parallels, I don't actually like using it very much. I always used a real PC in the shack for things that I couldn't run on my Macintosh at the time, like WSJT. Though that has changed.

> If that option wasn't there I bet more talented programmers would have jumped in and written Mac specific software.

The OSX ham market just wasn't there for a long time. I made my MoonSked software cross platform, OSX, Windows and Linux. I sell 95% Windows users, the Mac is insignificant despite there being no other competing Mac products, yet many free Windows ones. Linux, forget about it, a couple that is all.

Even free Mac/Windows software shows similar ratios of users I found.

>
> I hope we see more in the future. There really are a lot of Hams that run Macs and would like to stay within OS X for their software.

Maybe, but unfortunately in many cases hams have already got a Windows PC in the shack and have started to use it, it is then difficult to leave all that, especially since all the new stuff seems to come out on Windows first.

What I would like to see if manufacturers of ham gear make sure they produce their software utilities for Mac, Windows and Linux, Elecraft are pretty good at doing this, just the memory manager seems to be missing.

As things seem to be running in browsers more and more, there is hope for more universal software.

73

David Anderson GM4JJJ

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GM4JJJ

Re: Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac (OT)

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Wunder,

Unfortunately that I code is in a completely different language/environment to that I know and use so I personally could not help.

However it is surprising that code supports so many manufacturers -apart- from Elecraft, but I suppose again it is down to the numbers, like the ratio of Windows/Macintosh there must be Japan/USA ham radio sales ratios.

Mac Ham software mostly materialises because an individual has to do it for himself as the commercial world has ignored it.

Despite the Macintosh making a better showing than in recent years, most of the effort by developers is in the iOS and Android market, again down to the numbers.

73

David Anderson GM4JJJ

> On 12 Feb 2015, at 16:54, Walter Underwood <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> There is a request for K3/KX3 support in Chirp. I would start with that code and contribute support.
>
> http://chirp.danplanet.com/issues/248
>
> wunder
> K6WRU
> CM87wj
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/
>>

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Re: Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac

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From a programming perspective If I were write a program it would be for Windows.
You write for the largest market.

Years ago (in the DOS days) I considered getting Mac for my mother since it was easier to use.Once windows came along (and it became stable) the choice changed to going to Windows for her.
Personally I like Linux, but since I work on this stuff all day, when I go home at night I just wantto be a user like everyone else (and turn it on and it works) so even I run windows on my desktop.

From: Scott Manthe <[hidden email]>
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That move likely saved the Mac, Phil.

73,
Scott, N9AA

On 2/12/15 12:13 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
>
> If anyone is to blame (is that the right word?) it's Apple for
> switching from Power PC CPUs to Intel CPUs, making it possible to run
> Windows, etc. on a Mac.
>
> 73, Phil W7OX
>

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Phil Wheeler-2

Re: Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac (OT)

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On 2/12/15 10:16 AM, David Anderson wrote:
> Actually although all my testing of Windows
> stuff is done in Parallels, I don't actually
> like using it very much. I always used a real PC
> in the shack for things that I couldn't run on
> my Macintosh at the time, like WSJT. Though that
> has changed.
Using Bootcamp to run Windows will give you a
happier view of your Mac running Windows. SSDs
are really a plus, then.

Phil W7OX

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Phil Hystad-3

Re: Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac

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I have half a mind (only half) to write a memory management program for the KX3 and K3 for Mac. My motivation is to do something new in Swift.

Although I have MacLoggerDX, I don't use it anymore since I found it much nicer to use my own
software that I write for the Mac. I have several different applications but only one useful for
ham radio which is my own logging database application. Often I don't find much reason to write
software for my ham radio rigs because I rarely use it except for the utilities needed for the
Elecraft rigs.

However, I do think a memory management utility would have merit. Unfortunately, another
two projects are in the front of the line right now so likely someone else will beat me to the
punch. But, if not, maybe I will have some time this summer.

73, phil, K7PEH
Retired from 46 years as professional programmer.

> On Feb 12, 2015, at 10:33 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> From a programming perspective If I were write a program it would be for Windows.
> You write for the largest market.
>
> Years ago (in the DOS days) I considered getting Mac for my mother since it was easier to use.Once windows came along (and it became stable) the choice changed to going to Windows for her.
> Personally I like Linux, but since I work on this stuff all day, when I go home at night I just wantto be a user like everyone else (and turn it on and it works) so even I run windows on my desktop.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Scott Manthe <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 12:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac
>
> That move likely saved the Mac, Phil.
>
> 73,
> Scott, N9AA
>
>
>
> On 2/12/15 12:13 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
>>
>> If anyone is to blame (is that the right word?) it's Apple for
>> switching from Power PC CPUs to Intel CPUs, making it possible to run
>> Windows, etc. on a Mac.
>>
>> 73, Phil W7OX
>>
>
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GM4JJJ

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Good on you Phil.

It is always nicer to write and use your own software IMO too.

73

David Anderson GM4JJJ

> On 12 Feb 2015, at 19:46, Phil Hystad <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I have half a mind (only half) to write a memory management program for the KX3 and K3 for Mac. My motivation is to do something new in Swift.
>
> Although I have MacLoggerDX, I don't use it anymore since I found it much nicer to use my own
> software that I write for the Mac. I have several different applications but only one useful for
> ham radio which is my own logging database application. Often I don't find much reason to write
> software for my ham radio rigs because I rarely use it except for the utilities needed for the
> Elecraft rigs.
>
> However, I do think a memory management utility would have merit. Unfortunately, another
> two projects are in the front of the line right now so likely someone else will beat me to the
> punch. But, if not, maybe I will have some time this summer.
>
> 73, phil, K7PEH
> Retired from 46 years as professional programmer.
>
>
>> On Feb 12, 2015, at 10:33 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> From a programming perspective If I were write a program it would be for Windows.
>> You write for the largest market.
>>
>> Years ago (in the DOS days) I considered getting Mac for my mother since it was easier to use.Once windows came along (and it became stable) the choice changed to going to Windows for her.
>> Personally I like Linux, but since I work on this stuff all day, when I go home at night I just wantto be a user like everyone else (and turn it on and it works) so even I run windows on my desktop.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Scott Manthe <[hidden email]>
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 12:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac
>>
>> That move likely saved the Mac, Phil.
>>
>> 73,
>> Scott, N9AA
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 2/12/15 12:13 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
>>>
>>> If anyone is to blame (is that the right word?) it's Apple for
>>> switching from Power PC CPUs to Intel CPUs, making it possible to run
>>> Windows, etc. on a Mac.
>>>
>>> 73, Phil W7OX
>>
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Karl Erb

Re: Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac (OT)

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Thanks for the tip. Will give it a try. Have you made the switch to Yosemite?

Has anyone had good luck running ham software on Linux in a windows XP partition?

Karl
W3BF

> On Feb 12, 2015, at 2:13 PM, Phil Wheeler <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
>> On 2/12/15 10:16 AM, David Anderson wrote:
>> Actually although all my testing of Windows stuff is done in Parallels, I don't actually like using it very much. I always used a real PC in the shack for things that I couldn't run on my Macintosh at the time, like WSJT. Though that has changed.
> Using Bootcamp to run Windows will give you a happier view of your Mac running Windows. SSDs are really a plus, then.
>
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> Has anyone had good luck running ham software on Linux in a > windows XP
partition?

This is how I run in my shack (about 2.5 years) ...Ubuntu 12.04 LTS +
VMWare Player v6 running Windows XP. In the Windows VM, I have HRD,
WSJT-X, N1MM, Fldigi, KX3 Memory program, etc. I do try to use Linux as
often as I can (i.e., FLDigi, KX3 Utility program). I need a more recent
Ubuntu (14.04 LTS) to get WSJT-X to work or figure out the dependency
mismatch to run the most recent version on the older Ubuntu. I have a dual
monitor set-up and run the Windows VM on one monitor and the Ubuntu desktop
on the other. I do all web browsing in Ubuntu, never Windows XP.

Love Linux/Ubuntu and have been using it for Work, Ham, etc. Only drop
down to Windows when I must. I actively am trying to find ways to move
everything to Linux. So grateful for FLDigi as it is multi-platform; learn
once, run everywhere.

regards,
Brian
VE3IBW
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Regards,
Brian
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Phil Wheeler-2

Re: Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac (OT)

In reply to this post by Karl Erb

Yes on Yosemite; no problems. I run the latest
Ubuntu as dual boot on my Win 8.1 laptop in the
shack; no WinXP computers any more here.

Phil W7OX

On 2/12/15 12:25 PM, KarlErb wrote:

> Thanks for the tip. Will give it a try. Have you made the switch to Yosemite?
>
> Has anyone had good luck running ham software on Linux in a windows XP partition?
>
> Karl
> W3BF
>
>
>> On Feb 12, 2015, at 2:13 PM, Phil Wheeler <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On 2/12/15 10:16 AM, David Anderson wrote:
>>> Actually although all my testing of Windows stuff is done in Parallels, I don't actually like using it very much. I always used a real PC in the shack for things that I couldn't run on my Macintosh at the time, like WSJT. Though that has changed.
>> Using Bootcamp to run Windows will give you a happier view of your Mac running Windows. SSDs are really a plus, then.
>>
>> Phil W7OX