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Gary Smith-2

Microphone for the K3 questions

I use a K3 and rarely work SSB and I'm 99+% CW. I normally use a set
of Bose QC15 headsets and have a very old Heil HC-4 Mic element in an
older HM-5 Ball tip desk mic.

I've been consistently getting poor reports with SSB but listening to
the K3 monitor I'm not hearing anything unexpected. The HC-4 element
was geared to contesting and DXing, not for a pretty voice quality.
Perhaps there's a problem with the mic or the settings but I bought
the element back around 85 or so and the mic has been dropped over
the years so maybe I should try another mic & see if that makes a
difference. Problem is I have no other mic to try except a few old
Neumann studio mics and the ones for voice take awhile for the tube
to warm up. A bit of overkill that's not worth exploring.

I just looked on the Elecraft product list & see the MH2 and the Heil
Proset. The MH2 is surely wired properly for the K3 but I wonder
about the quality of sound its element generates. It looks like the
Heil proset would be the ideal if I worked SSB frequently but I
don't. The MH2 would surely be fine for the occasional use but I've
never cared for having the thicker coiled wire hand for hand mics
extending out on the desk from the radio.

If I got something like the heil proset I couldn't use my QC15 and I
seriously wonder if the Heil comes close to the audio quality in this
Bose headset, I don't know, I'd have to compare to know. The QC15 is
the finest headset I've ever used for radio, thanks to the electronic
noise cancelling feature I can't hear the amp at all and I keep the
fan at full speed. As a musician the QC15 give a really pleasant
reproduction and are very comfortable.

Any suggestions on something else I might look into that is less
pricey than this Heil set & maybe better sounding than the MH2? I
don't have to have it now and am not in a rush.

73,

Gary
KA1J

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Bill Clarke

Re: Microphone for the K3 questions

First, and most important: Using the TX Equalizer can tame any mic. You
can emphasize highs, lows, or a combination to produce armchair copy audio.

I use the MH2 and I get excellent reports. It is used for armchair copy
type operations - rag chew, nets, gas bagging, etc. However, I must
quickly note that the mechanical operation of the PTT operation makes
noise. Enough noise that some folks were complaining about it.

My fix was to purchase one of those square PTT button type switches from
Heil (manufacturer of the MH2) and do a little Dremel work and epoxy
filling to the mic's shell. Now it works very quietly and I can easily
replace the button switch when needed.

Bill W2BLC

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Gil G.

Re: Microphone for the K3 questions

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On Fri, 2013-06-07 at 16:25 -0400, Gary Smith wrote:
> I use a K3 and rarely work SSB and I'm 99+% CW. I normally use a set
> of Bose QC15 headsets and have a very old Heil HC-4 Mic element in an
> older HM-5 Ball tip desk mic.

If you operate 99% CW, like I do, why worry about it? I bought two
microphones on Ebay for $4 shipped! They work great... I am only worried
about being understood for those rare occasions I use SSB.

Gil.

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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: Microphone for the K3 questions

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Gary,

It's possible that the HC-4 has gotten rough over the years -
I had an HC5 element in the Heil ProSet give up after about
30 years <G>.

If you want a headset, I'd strongly recommend the Yamaha CM-500
(< $50 on-line at places like B&H Photovideo, Sam Ash, etc.) it
is not noise cancelling but it beats the Heil hands down for
less than half the price.

Otherwise, one is left with a hand mic like the MH2 ($59.99) or
Kenwood MC-43S ($59.95) unless one can find a clean used Kenwood
MC50 or MC60 at a reasonable price. Even the Heil HM-12 plus
stand and adapter cable ($59.95 + $64.95 + $33.95 = $158.85 at
www.randl.com) is more expensive than a *new* MC60 ($149.95).

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 6/7/2013 4:25 PM, Gary Smith wrote:

> I use a K3 and rarely work SSB and I'm 99+% CW. I normally use a set
> of Bose QC15 headsets and have a very old Heil HC-4 Mic element in an
> older HM-5 Ball tip desk mic.
>
> I've been consistently getting poor reports with SSB but listening to
> the K3 monitor I'm not hearing anything unexpected. The HC-4 element
> was geared to contesting and DXing, not for a pretty voice quality.
> Perhaps there's a problem with the mic or the settings but I bought
> the element back around 85 or so and the mic has been dropped over
> the years so maybe I should try another mic & see if that makes a
> difference. Problem is I have no other mic to try except a few old
> Neumann studio mics and the ones for voice take awhile for the tube
> to warm up. A bit of overkill that's not worth exploring.
>
> I just looked on the Elecraft product list & see the MH2 and the Heil
> Proset. The MH2 is surely wired properly for the K3 but I wonder
> about the quality of sound its element generates. It looks like the
> Heil proset would be the ideal if I worked SSB frequently but I
> don't. The MH2 would surely be fine for the occasional use but I've
> never cared for having the thicker coiled wire hand for hand mics
> extending out on the desk from the radio.
>
> If I got something like the heil proset I couldn't use my QC15 and I
> seriously wonder if the Heil comes close to the audio quality in this
> Bose headset, I don't know, I'd have to compare to know. The QC15 is
> the finest headset I've ever used for radio, thanks to the electronic
> noise cancelling feature I can't hear the amp at all and I keep the
> fan at full speed. As a musician the QC15 give a really pleasant
> reproduction and are very comfortable.
>
> Any suggestions on something else I might look into that is less
> pricey than this Heil set & maybe better sounding than the MH2? I
> don't have to have it now and am not in a rush.
>
> 73,
>
> Gary
> KA1J
>
>
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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: Microphone for the K3 questions

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Gary,

Both those microphones should work well with the K3. Couple that with
the fact that you hear things OK in the monitor.
That suggests that there is something else wrong with your K3. I would
first check the filter selection for transmit using K3 Utility and make
certain the actual 2.7 (or 2.8) kHz filter is selected for transmit.
All the rest that I can offer is that one K3 I had a hand in testing
needed to have the Reference Oscillator re-calibrated because of a
similar problem - that is worth a try.
If you continue to have problems, contact Elecraft support for
additional assistance.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/7/2013 4:25 PM, Gary Smith wrote:

James kvochick

Re: Microphone for the K3 questions

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Joe,

Have you been a ham that long?

73

Jim WB8AZP

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 7, 2013, at 4:13 PM, "Joe Subich, W4TV" <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Gary,
>
> It's possible that the HC-4 has gotten rough over the years -
> I had an HC5 element in the Heil ProSet give up after about
> 30 years <G>.
>
> If you want a headset, I'd strongly recommend the Yamaha CM-500
> (< $50 on-line at places like B&H Photovideo, Sam Ash, etc.) it
> is not noise cancelling but it beats the Heil hands down for
> less than half the price.
>
> Otherwise, one is left with a hand mic like the MH2 ($59.99) or
> Kenwood MC-43S ($59.95) unless one can find a clean used Kenwood
> MC50 or MC60 at a reasonable price. Even the Heil HM-12 plus
> stand and adapter cable ($59.95 + $64.95 + $33.95 = $158.85 at
> www.randl.com) is more expensive than a *new* MC60 ($149.95).
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 6/7/2013 4:25 PM, Gary Smith wrote:
>> I use a K3 and rarely work SSB and I'm 99+% CW. I normally use a set
>> of Bose QC15 headsets and have a very old Heil HC-4 Mic element in an
>> older HM-5 Ball tip desk mic.
>>
>> I've been consistently getting poor reports with SSB but listening to
>> the K3 monitor I'm not hearing anything unexpected. The HC-4 element
>> was geared to contesting and DXing, not for a pretty voice quality.
>> Perhaps there's a problem with the mic or the settings but I bought
>> the element back around 85 or so and the mic has been dropped over
>> the years so maybe I should try another mic & see if that makes a
>> difference. Problem is I have no other mic to try except a few old
>> Neumann studio mics and the ones for voice take awhile for the tube
>> to warm up. A bit of overkill that's not worth exploring.
>>
>> I just looked on the Elecraft product list & see the MH2 and the Heil
>> Proset. The MH2 is surely wired properly for the K3 but I wonder
>> about the quality of sound its element generates. It looks like the
>> Heil proset would be the ideal if I worked SSB frequently but I
>> don't. The MH2 would surely be fine for the occasional use but I've
>> never cared for having the thicker coiled wire hand for hand mics
>> extending out on the desk from the radio.
>>
>> If I got something like the heil proset I couldn't use my QC15 and I
>> seriously wonder if the Heil comes close to the audio quality in this
>> Bose headset, I don't know, I'd have to compare to know. The QC15 is
>> the finest headset I've ever used for radio, thanks to the electronic
>> noise cancelling feature I can't hear the amp at all and I keep the
>> fan at full speed. As a musician the QC15 give a really pleasant
>> reproduction and are very comfortable.
>>
>> Any suggestions on something else I might look into that is less
>> pricey than this Heil set & maybe better sounding than the MH2? I
>> don't have to have it now and am not in a rush.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Gary
>> KA1J
>>
>>
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Gary Smith-2

Re: Microphone for the K3 questions

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Why? A good question. At this time I don't work SSB, have little
interest in a mode I need an interpreter to understand or send. When
as I have now, people I don't know telling me my audio sounds bad, I
need to fix this. Perhaps a $4 mic would be fine. I did try a
"Genius" headset and found it uncomfortable and within a few months
the boom came undone. So at this time I need a mic that sounds
intelligible and works without issues. My last SSB QSO was on 160 4
months ago and one of the fellows kindly told me one reason a lot of
people weren't talking with me was my audio was almost impossible to
understand.

I'm not near the Honor Roll but I am getting older, have 9 bands of
DXCC, have 313 current confirmed on CW and something like only 8
countries confirmed on SSB. Someday I might like another challenge
and decide to go for SSB DXCC as there's a lot of that out there
waiting for a call. Since much of DXing is split I don't have to
listen much to all the callers annunciating their calls to be
distinct from the rest. By extension also I care little for SSB
contesting with yelling constantly being heard throughout the
contest, gives me a headache. So... looking to a future that someday
may well hold SSB, it would behoove me to consider options of what
might be my last microphone I buy. I do believe a higher quality
anything offers less problems and greater overall satisfaction. And I
really don't like a coiled wire in my desk, it always gets in the
way.

Gary

> On Fri, 2013-06-07 at 16:25 -0400, Gary Smith wrote:
> > I use a K3 and rarely work SSB and I'm 99+% CW. I normally use a
> set
> > of Bose QC15 headsets and have a very old Heil HC-4 Mic element
in

> an
> > older HM-5 Ball tip desk mic.
>
> If you operate 99% CW, like I do, why worry about it? I bought two
> microphones on Ebay for $4 shipped! They work great... I am only
> worried
> about being understood for those rare occasions I use SSB.
>
> Gil.
>
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Jim Brown-10

Re: Microphone for the K3 questions

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On 6/7/2013 2:13 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
> If you want a headset, I'd strongly recommend the Yamaha CM-500
> (< $50 on-line at places like B&H Photovideo, Sam Ash, etc.) it
> is not noise cancelling but it beats the Heil hands down for
> less than half the price.

Strongly agree. The CM500 headset is VERY comfortable, both mic and
headset sound great, and plug straight into jacks on the rear panel.

On the other hand, as W2BLC observed, almost any mic that isn't "broken"
can be tamed by first setting the Mic Gain correctly, setting
Compression correctly, and using TXEQ correctly.

If you're getting reports of bad audio, go to the section of the K3
manual that tells you how to set up the mic gain and compression. Set
Mic Gain first, then set compression for no more than 10dB compression
on peaks. Use the display that gives you a readout of compression.

As to TXEQ -- most mics produce more "lows" than are needed for
communications. I always recommend starting with all TXEQ bands set to
0 (no boost, no cut), then set the three lowest bands for maximum cut,
readjust Mic Gain and Compression if needed, and get some audio
reports. It is rarely a good thing to boost any frequencies, except
with a true professional mic designed for broadcasting or music. With
one of those mics, it IS good practice to cut the lows and boost the two
or three higher bands.

Each station giving you an audio report should have their IF bandwidth
set wide (at least 2.8 kHz), and with no RX EQ. You want your audio to
sound fairly natural, but with no lows (because lows waste power, and
contribute nothing to intelligibility). Think "telephone quality."

The two big things that make audio sound awful are Mic Gain set too
high, and Compression set too high. 99.9% of the bad audio I hear on
the air would be fixed simply by turning down both settings.

73, Jim K9YC
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George Thornton

Re: Microphone for the K3 questions

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I have the QC2 Bose headset, the Yamaha CM500 everyone recommends and the MH2. I work mostly SSB.

I am happy with either the Bose or Yamaha with the K3. The Yamaha works just fine. You don't need noise cancelling and the Yamaha does not need a battery. I reserve the Bose for use with a laptop while traveling. The Yamaha pretty much stays permanently attached to the K3. The Bose works just fine in conjunction with the MH2 however. I got the Yamaha originally not because I needed it but because it was cheap. I have never regretted that purchase.

I get uniformly complimentary comments on voice quality and excellent results penetrating pileups on 100 watts with either the MH2 or the Yamaha mic. I see absolutely no need to buy anything more expensive.

Mics on the K3 are not plug and play. They have to be set up and configured properly. If anything is wrong the mic may perform badly or not at all.

As far as desk clutter is concerned, I love using a boom. Completely hands free, no desk clutter, the mic goes to your comfortable sitting position and most importantly it looks cool and professional. Used booms are available cheap at flea markets if you don't want to spend about $100 for a new Heil boom.

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To: [hidden email]
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Microphone for the K3 questions

Gary,

Both those microphones should work well with the K3. Couple that with the fact that you hear things OK in the monitor.
That suggests that there is something else wrong with your K3. I would first check the filter selection for transmit using K3 Utility and make certain the actual 2.7 (or 2.8) kHz filter is selected for transmit.
All the rest that I can offer is that one K3 I had a hand in testing needed to have the Reference Oscillator re-calibrated because of a similar problem - that is worth a try.
If you continue to have problems, contact Elecraft support for additional assistance.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/7/2013 4:25 PM, Gary Smith wrote:

> I use a K3 and rarely work SSB and I'm 99+% CW. I normally use a set
> of Bose QC15 headsets and have a very old Heil HC-4 Mic element in an
> older HM-5 Ball tip desk mic.
>
> I've been consistently getting poor reports with SSB but listening to
> the K3 monitor I'm not hearing anything unexpected. The HC-4 element
> was geared to contesting and DXing, not for a pretty voice quality.
> Perhaps there's a problem with the mic or the settings but I bought
> the element back around 85 or so and the mic has been dropped over the
> years so maybe I should try another mic & see if that makes a
> difference. Problem is I have no other mic to try except a few old
> Neumann studio mics and the ones for voice take awhile for the tube to
> warm up. A bit of overkill that's not worth exploring.
>
> I just looked on the Elecraft product list & see the MH2 and the Heil
> Proset. The MH2 is surely wired properly for the K3 but I wonder about
> the quality of sound its element generates. It looks like the Heil
> proset would be the ideal if I worked SSB frequently but I don't. The
> MH2 would surely be fine for the occasional use but I've never cared
> for having the thicker coiled wire hand for hand mics extending out on
> the desk from the radio.
>
> If I got something like the heil proset I couldn't use my QC15 and I
> seriously wonder if the Heil comes close to the audio quality in this
> Bose headset, I don't know, I'd have to compare to know. The QC15 is
> the finest headset I've ever used for radio, thanks to the electronic
> noise cancelling feature I can't hear the amp at all and I keep the
> fan at full speed. As a musician the QC15 give a really pleasant
> reproduction and are very comfortable.
>
> Any suggestions on something else I might look into that is less
> pricey than this Heil set & maybe better sounding than the MH2? I
> don't have to have it now and am not in a rush.
>
> 73,
>
> Gary
> KA1J
>
>
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Fred Smith-2

Re: Microphone for the K3 questions

I've waited for a while to answer but I use separate headphones and mic. I
have several sets of headphones I use depending on how long they will be
worn. The mic never changed it is a Heil PR-781 and a natural to use with
any high-end radio with customizable audio settings like the
K3/FTDX-5000/9000/IC-7800/7700.

For all portable use I use the MH2 for the K3 but do have the Heil/Elecraft
headphones also for both the K3/KX3.

I use powered external speakers with my K3/KX3 in the shack or portable and
I tire of headphones quickly uncomfortable, hot and can't hear what's going
on around you.

73,
Fred/N0AZZ
K3 Ser #'s 6730/5299--KX3 # 2573--K2/100--KAT100
P3/SVGA--KPA500--KAT500--W2

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I have the QC2 Bose headset, the Yamaha CM500 everyone recommends and the
MH2. I work mostly SSB.

I am happy with either the Bose or Yamaha with the K3. The Yamaha works just
fine. You don't need noise cancelling and the Yamaha does not need a
battery. I reserve the Bose for use with a laptop while traveling. The
Yamaha pretty much stays permanently attached to the K3. The Bose works
just fine in conjunction with the MH2 however. I got the Yamaha originally
not because I needed it but because it was cheap. I have never regretted
that purchase.

I get uniformly complimentary comments on voice quality and excellent
results penetrating pileups on 100 watts with either the MH2 or the Yamaha
mic. I see absolutely no need to buy anything more expensive.

Mics on the K3 are not plug and play. They have to be set up and configured
properly. If anything is wrong the mic may perform badly or not at all.

As far as desk clutter is concerned, I love using a boom. Completely hands
free, no desk clutter, the mic goes to your comfortable sitting position and
most importantly it looks cool and professional. Used booms are available
cheap at flea markets if you don't want to spend about $100 for a new Heil
boom.

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Microphone for the K3 questions

Gary,

Both those microphones should work well with the K3. Couple that with the
fact that you hear things OK in the monitor.
That suggests that there is something else wrong with your K3. I would
first check the filter selection for transmit using K3 Utility and make
certain the actual 2.7 (or 2.8) kHz filter is selected for transmit.
All the rest that I can offer is that one K3 I had a hand in testing needed
to have the Reference Oscillator re-calibrated because of a similar problem
- that is worth a try.
If you continue to have problems, contact Elecraft support for additional
assistance.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/7/2013 4:25 PM, Gary Smith wrote:

> I use a K3 and rarely work SSB and I'm 99+% CW. I normally use a set
> of Bose QC15 headsets and have a very old Heil HC-4 Mic element in an
> older HM-5 Ball tip desk mic.
>
> I've been consistently getting poor reports with SSB but listening to
> the K3 monitor I'm not hearing anything unexpected. The HC-4 element
> was geared to contesting and DXing, not for a pretty voice quality.
> Perhaps there's a problem with the mic or the settings but I bought
> the element back around 85 or so and the mic has been dropped over the
> years so maybe I should try another mic & see if that makes a
> difference. Problem is I have no other mic to try except a few old
> Neumann studio mics and the ones for voice take awhile for the tube to
> warm up. A bit of overkill that's not worth exploring.
>
> I just looked on the Elecraft product list & see the MH2 and the Heil
> Proset. The MH2 is surely wired properly for the K3 but I wonder about
> the quality of sound its element generates. It looks like the Heil
> proset would be the ideal if I worked SSB frequently but I don't. The
> MH2 would surely be fine for the occasional use but I've never cared
> for having the thicker coiled wire hand for hand mics extending out on
> the desk from the radio.
>
> If I got something like the heil proset I couldn't use my QC15 and I
> seriously wonder if the Heil comes close to the audio quality in this
> Bose headset, I don't know, I'd have to compare to know. The QC15 is
> the finest headset I've ever used for radio, thanks to the electronic
> noise cancelling feature I can't hear the amp at all and I keep the
> fan at full speed. As a musician the QC15 give a really pleasant
> reproduction and are very comfortable.
>
> Any suggestions on something else I might look into that is less
> pricey than this Heil set & maybe better sounding than the MH2? I
> don't have to have it now and am not in a rush.
>
> 73,
>
> Gary
> KA1J
>
>
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Barry

Re: Microphone for the K3 questions

LIke you, I operate very little SSB. I use the MH2 with fine results (when I can find it). I set TX EQ to cut some of the lows and add to the highs for punch.
Barry W2UP