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Ken Kopp
A more specific question ...

I'm told that the actual connector/s mate on only one
side and therefore can loose tension over time and/or
with usage, resulting in less current carrying capacity
and overheating at higher current levels, which then
melts the housing.

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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Re: More about Anderson PowePole connectors

w5tvw
On the crimping vs. soldering thread for the Power Pole connectors....

I would be extra careful about putting them on with a torch.  It is very
easy to overheat a pin this way.  Two things can ruin the metal connector
being soldered on.  Too much heat can:
1. cause the plating to be damaged and increase the resistance of the
mechanical connection.
2. Anneal the metal connector taking the stiffness or "spring" out of the
metal, and cause poor contact an mating.

I usually crimp them because I happened to have a tool already that did a
wonderful job.  This was an "AMP" number 29004-1 hand crimp tool.  Notch "G"
works really great on the barrels of the pins commonly supplied with them.
Also other notches of this tool will crimp MOLEX large and small pins well.
Also it will do the usual red, blue and yellow barrel lugs too.

If you see one of these tools at a hamfest or want to buy a crimp tool, this
one tool will do just about everything I have run across.

73,
Sandy W5TVW

PS:  I hasten to add......Tyco-AMP makes an "imitation" of the Anderson
Power pole connector.  My advice:  stay away from them.  The plastic
housings and the inner contacts are shoddy compared with the Anderson
product!
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>A more specific question ...
>
> I'm told that the actual connector/s mate on only one
> side and therefore can loose tension over time and/or
> with usage, resulting in less current carrying capacity
> and overheating at higher current levels, which then
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> 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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bad choice: Anderson PowePole connectors

Charly
The Power Pole connectors on the K3 are a bad choice for this
application.... why? :

1, require either a special crimper or solder.... no crimper, no luck.  No
iron in the field, no luck.

2.  Break one of these puppies and if u live in 90% of the world where these
things are not available, no luck....

3. No plug, in the field, u are into a serious kludge up for connecting
power.

The most flexible 20 amp connector ever devised to WORK ANYWHERE, with
banana pins, lugs, or bare wires, are BINDING POSTS.  These can work when
there is no iron, no crimper, no banana pins, no lugs, ... all u need is a
knife or even ur fingernail to strip the wire bare and screw it on !!!   And
screw it on with YOUR STANDARD FINGERS.    I can buy binding posts at the
Thailand 7-11.

Of course, binding posts are not so attractive on the back of a rig, so
maybe use the other industry standard used on ALL OTHER RIGS IN THE
WORLD.... the Molex 6-pin.  This one is not available all over the world,
but sure is more available than the Anderson thingys.

ARRL's idea to standardize on Anderson is similarily a mistake... and their
idea is especially applied to emergency comm... the very place where weird
fixtures are another disaster.

But, one mistake does not make a bad rig, and please keep my order for a K3
active!!!!!

PS, Astron should listen to this message too, ... on of my Astrons has
stupid banana socket, but at least it will take a butch bare wire too even
tho u need a vy small flat blade screwdriver to attach  wires to it.  What r
they thinking???.

73

Charles Harpole, HS0ZCW
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RE: bad choice: Anderson PowePole connectors

Craig Rairdin
> The Power Pole connectors on the K3 are a bad choice for this
> application.... why? :

I've never understood the fascination with these connectors. They seem
rather flakey and cheap to me. You don't always get a solid connection. They
move around too much especially with a heavy-conductor wire hanging off
them. If you're going to depend on a friction fit, then give the thing some
friction.

Craig
NZ0R

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Re: bad choice: Anderson PowePole connectors

David King-11
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No crimper/iron in the field?  I carry both all the time.

And, our club had both available at field day and at every other event
we do, also.

I also ordered enough APP's to carry spares...the minimum bag size is 10
per bag....and IMHO they're cheap.

I live in a part of the world where the closest actual ham radio supply
outlet is 400+ miles distance...we use mail order all the time..maybe
that's why we have a stock pile of these type (Power Pole Connectors,
etc.) things on hand?  And, we recently prevailed upon our local
electronic's supply shop to start carrying APP's as a stock item. This
same shop doesn't carry 2 meter whips or other HF specialty stuff...but
they can order them for us and normally have them in two or three
days....which is about what most mail order's take....

We also made up multiple power lines...with APP's on one end, and other
type connectors on the other, so we can swap around as needed..and we
carry those with us when away from the shack.  We also use them in the
shack as needed.

Our 7-11's don't even carry electrical tape...let alone binding posts.  
Folks in Thailand are lucky!

And, if it's a realllll emergency in the field...I have no compunction
about cutting the APP's off and twisting bare wires together as a
temporary fix...of course, covering them with the electrical tape I have
to carry with me as part of a travel kit.

David King
KE7EKA

Charles Harpole wrote:

> The Power Pole connectors on the K3 are a bad choice for this
> application.... why? :
>
> 1, require either a special crimper or solder.... no crimper, no
> luck.  No iron in the field, no luck.
>
> 2.  Break one of these puppies and if u live in 90% of the world where
> these things are not available, no luck....
>
> 3. No plug, in the field, u are into a serious kludge up for
> connecting power.
>
> The most flexible 20 amp connector ever devised to WORK ANYWHERE, with
> banana pins, lugs, or bare wires, are BINDING POSTS.  These can work
> when there is no iron, no crimper, no banana pins, no lugs, ... all u
> need is a knife or even ur fingernail to strip the wire bare and screw
> it on !!!   And screw it on with YOUR STANDARD FINGERS.    I can buy
> binding posts at the Thailand 7-11.
>
> Of course, binding posts are not so attractive on the back of a rig,
> so maybe use the other industry standard used on ALL OTHER RIGS IN THE
> WORLD.... the Molex 6-pin.  This one is not available all over the
> world, but sure is more available than the Anderson thingys.
>
> ARRL's idea to standardize on Anderson is similarily a mistake... and
> their idea is especially applied to emergency comm... the very place
> where weird fixtures are another disaster.
>
> But, one mistake does not make a bad rig, and please keep my order for
> a K3 active!!!!!
>
> PS, Astron should listen to this message too, ... on of my Astrons has
> stupid banana socket, but at least it will take a butch bare wire too
> even tho u need a vy small flat blade screwdriver to attach  wires to
> it.  What r they thinking???.
>
> 73
>
> Charles Harpole, HS0ZCW
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Re: bad choice: Anderson PowePole connectors

w5tvw
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Banana plugs and sockets WILL handle a lot of current, but all banana plugs
are not capable of good low resistance connections.  (Specifically the
"split" type banana plugs.)
Also the SOURCE of power must ALWAYS be the jack or binding post.  If active
power is applied to loose plugs you have a tremendous fire and safety
hazard.  Very high current sources like Ni-Cd or lead acid batteries are
capable of burning up a cable in seconds or less if the plugs short
together.

The beauty of the Power Pole connectors is they are "unisexual" in that they
will mate with each other and don't have any 'live' contacts hanging out to
get shorted easily.  It IS possible some "knucklehead" might plug a power
source into a power source which might be catastrophic if say one source was
24 volts and the other 12 volts!  The safety factor when dealing with
"electrical morons" is well worth the trouble to standardize on them.

I used standard Molex connector for years, as did some of the rig
manufacturers, for power connectors.  They reuire a crimping tool or a
soldering iron too.  BEST dodge if you are doing something in the field or
mobile would be to make up SPARE cables or some simple means of connecting
to the power source  like a cable with connector to fit transceiver and
Alligator or battery clips on the other end.  This will get you out of a
bind where things weren't "standardized".  I have a cable with power pole
connector on one end and bare wires on other end that will adapt to whatever
in case I have trouble at say a field day or portable site.

The "standardization" to Power pole connectors was an attempt to have
everyone use a common connector type which helps gobs during an outing or
emergency situation.

73,
Sandy W5TVW
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> The Power Pole connectors on the K3 are a bad choice for this
> application.... why? :
>
> 1, require either a special crimper or solder.... no crimper, no luck.  No
> iron in the field, no luck.
>
> 2.  Break one of these puppies and if u live in 90% of the world where
> these things are not available, no luck....
>
> 3. No plug, in the field, u are into a serious kludge up for connecting
> power.
>
> The most flexible 20 amp connector ever devised to WORK ANYWHERE, with
> banana pins, lugs, or bare wires, are BINDING POSTS.  These can work when
> there is no iron, no crimper, no banana pins, no lugs, ... all u need is a
> knife or even ur fingernail to strip the wire bare and screw it on !!!
> And screw it on with YOUR STANDARD FINGERS.    I can buy binding posts at
> the Thailand 7-11.
>
> Of course, binding posts are not so attractive on the back of a rig, so
> maybe use the other industry standard used on ALL OTHER RIGS IN THE
> WORLD.... the Molex 6-pin.  This one is not available all over the world,
> but sure is more available than the Anderson thingys.
>
> ARRL's idea to standardize on Anderson is similarily a mistake... and
> their idea is especially applied to emergency comm... the very place where
> weird fixtures are another disaster.
>
> But, one mistake does not make a bad rig, and please keep my order for a
> K3 active!!!!!
>
> PS, Astron should listen to this message too, ... on of my Astrons has
> stupid banana socket, but at least it will take a butch bare wire too even
> tho u need a vy small flat blade screwdriver to attach  wires to it.  What
> r they thinking???.
>
> 73
>
> Charles Harpole, HS0ZCW
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Re: bad choice: Anderson PowePole connectors

Leigh L. Klotz Jr WA5ZNU
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I find them really quite convenient.  I have used lots of connectors,
including round ampex, jones cinch, molex, trailer, spade/round lugs,
fahenstock clips, and plenty in between over the past nearly 40 years,
and these are the best I have found for lvdc applications over a fairly
wide current range.  They are easily installed, easily reconfigured, and
don't have gender issues leading to a profusion of adapter cables (or
worse, a lack of a profusion just when you need one).

They are not appropriate for some important applications, and are not
optimal (but ok) for others.  Still, all around, if you want
commonality, they are a good bet for it.

73,
Leigh/WA5ZNU

On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 9:37 am, Craig Rairdin wrote:
>>  The Power Pole connectors on the K3 are a bad choice for this
>>  application.... why? :
>
> I've never understood the fascination with these connectors.
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Re: bad choice: Anderson PowePole connectors

Leigh L. Klotz Jr WA5ZNU
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Just to elaborate on Sandy's point about 24v for those who don't know,
you can assemble a pair of APP connectors with one rotated 90 degrees,
or with them aligned vertically instead of horizontally, and they won't
fit with the standard 12v ham/ARES configuration, insuring safety.

I don't know if anyone has a standard 24v configuration, but even if
not, just making your 24v cable up differently means you can't do this.

The one thing you *can* do with APP is offset one from the other and
plug only the red of one into the black of the other, and if there is
some other ground path, you can lose.  If the 12vdc pairing used had
used a 90 degree rotation this would be a lot harder to do, as you would
have to have the cables rotated *and* colors wrong when you plug them in
to cause his failure.  As it is, colors wrong and offset by nearly 3/8
inch is a pretty good indicator, but it can happen in the dark.

73,
Leigh/WA5ZNU
On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 10:13 am, Sandy wrote:
>  It IS possible some "knucklehead" might plug a power source into a
> power source which might be catastrophic if say one source was 24 volts
> and the other 12 volts!
> 73,
> Sandy W5TVW
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Re: bad choice: Anderson PowePole connectors

Mike S-8
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At 11:44 PM 7/17/2007, Charles Harpole wrote...
>The Power Pole connectors on the K3 are a bad choice for this
>application.... why? :

In less time than it took to write your complaint, you could have made
up an APP to binding post/banana plug adapter cable, and solved the
problem you have.


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Re: bad choice: Anderson PowePole connectors

Simon (HB9DRV)
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I have only used APP once - and that was enough. I do not like then, binding
posts are preferable.

Simon Brown, HB9DRV

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I've never understood the fascination with these connectors. They seem
rather flakey and cheap to me. You don't always get a solid connection. They
move around too much especially with a heavy-conductor wire hanging off
them. If you're going to depend on a friction fit, then give the thing some
friction.

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RE: bad choice: Anderson PowePole connectors

Phil Kane-2
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On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 11:32:57 -0500, Craig Rairdin wrote:

>I've never understood the fascination with these connectors.
>They seem rather flakey and cheap to me. You don't always get a
>solid connection. They move around too much especially with a
>heavy-conductor wire hanging off them. If you're going to depend
>on a friction fit, then give the thing some friction.

  The moving-around-factor and reliability was,  in my case,
  cured when I learned to do proper crimps with the proper tool.

  The "problem" with keeping the two mating connectors together
  is easily solved by using a neat little clip that's in the
  Anderson line which clips over both connectors in a tight fit
  and also has the advantage of a postage-stamp-size flat surface
  where one can mark the circuit name and power flow direction
  with a white or silver "Sharpie" or as I use, paint pen.

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Craig Rairdin wrote:

>> The Power Pole connectors on the K3 are a bad choice for this
>> application.... why? :
>
> I've never understood the fascination with these connectors. They seem
> rather flakey and cheap to me. You don't always get a solid connection. They
> move around too much especially with a heavy-conductor wire hanging off
> them. If you're going to depend on a friction fit, then give the thing some
> friction.
>
> Craig
> NZ0R
>

Tha main reason they have become "standard" is that the ARRL (ARES) declared
them so, so all the good little sheep follow.


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Re: bad choice: Anderson PowePole connectors

Jessie Oberreuter

      'Course the ARRL had declared the Molex connector the standard a few
years earlier, and we adopted it completely.  We had no interest in
changing everything again, so we're still on Molex.



On Wed, 18 Jul 2007, W2AGN wrote:

> Craig Rairdin wrote:
>>> The Power Pole connectors on the K3 are a bad choice for this
>>> application.... why? :
>>
>> I've never understood the fascination with these connectors. They seem
>> rather flakey and cheap to me. You don't always get a solid connection. They
>> move around too much especially with a heavy-conductor wire hanging off
>> them. If you're going to depend on a friction fit, then give the thing some
>> friction.
>>
>> Craig
>> NZ0R
>>
>
> Tha main reason they have become "standard" is that the ARRL (ARES) declared
> them so, so all the good little sheep follow.
>
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Re: bad choice: Anderson PowePole connectors

Clark B. Wierda
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My experience is quite opposite from what has been mentioned.

I've had multiple failures of the Molex connector.  The only APP failure I
had was crib death of a cable made with the "plier" type crimper.  Jump
kit includes the ratchet crimper and a couple bags of spare assemblies.  I
also carry spare fuses of all the sizes used in my RigRunners.

Finally, I'm replacing the Molex connector on the back of my IC706 with a
set of APPs because of my problems and the fact that mount for the Molex
on the radio has failed and the connector is now hanging loose.

73,
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Anderson PowePole connectors

wayne burdick
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We chose APP connectors for several reasons, and don't regret it in the
slightest:

1. We used them on the K2/100 and all of our transverters, and have not
had a single
    failure that I know of. That's many thousands of them. I personally
use them everywhere.

2. It's an emerging standard (we decided long before the ARRL did,
though).

3. 10,000 on/off cycles dwarfs what's possible with Molex connectors,
and resistance
    is very low.

4. I've had a lot of Molex connectors (and the ilk) wear out on me, not
just
    on mobile 12V power cables, etc., but also on electric razors  :)

73,
Wayne
N6KR


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Re: bad choice: Anderson PowePole connectors

Don Wilhelm-3
In reply to this post by Clark B. Wierda
I too have had good experience with APPs and the rigrunner - hate those
Molex connectors.

The way I use the APPs is to make up a short (6 inch) cable with a
connector on one end matching the equipment - that usually stays with
that piece of equipment, but I have spares for those too.  Then I make
up a goodly number of extension cords with an APP connector on each end.
  Chose the length to match your application - whether portable or on
the operating bench.  The extension plugs into the rigrunner and then
goes to the equipment vicinity.  I have extension cords in 10g, 12g and
16g sizes and fuse the rigrunner for the equipment on the far end (but
never exceeding the cable wire's capability).

73,
Don W3FPR

Clark B. Wierda wrote:
> My experience is quite opposite from what has been mentioned.
>
>
> Finally, I'm replacing the Molex connector on the back of my IC706 with a
> set of APPs because of my problems and the fact that mount for the Molex
> on the radio has failed and the connector is now hanging loose.
>
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Re: bad choice: Anderson PowePole connectors

Phil Kane-2
On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 15:45:32 -0400, Don Wilhelm wrote:

>The way I use the APPs is to make up a short (6 inch) cable with
>a connector on one end matching the equipment - that usually
>stays with that piece of equipment, but I have spares for those
>too.  Then I make up a goodly number of extension cords with an
>APP connector on each end.

>Chose the length to match your application - whether portable
>or on the operating bench.  The extension plugs into the
>rigrunner and then goes to the equipment vicinity.  I have
>extension cords in 10g, 12g and 16g sizes and fuse the rigrunner
>for the equipment on the far end (but never exceeding the cable
>wire's capability).

  That's exactly the way that I do it and encourage others to do
  it except that I don't use a RigRunner but I do have the
  functional equivalent.

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   Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402



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Re: bad choice: Anderson PowePole connectors

Stuart Rohre
In reply to this post by Simon (HB9DRV)
Binding posts (American models), are only rated at 5 Amps in standard
Laboratory 5 way size.

Properly assembled Anderson Connectors with their clip do not move around.
They are silver plated, a big plus over other available power connectors.
The contacts are self cleaning each time they are plugged in.  The contacts
are typically much larger  than most contacts on the market save military
and undersea connectors, which are beyond most ham budgets.

They are far superior to the old Molex type connectors of  tin plated brass
that hams used and abused for portable connections.

There are some German connectors that are very strong, but I do not know of
their world wide availability.

-Stuart
K5KVH


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