My "MFJ Posting"
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I am dismayed at the view some took of my posting. I intended absolutely
no racial or eletist content ... in any way ... and apologize to anyone who read it that way. 73 ! Ken Kopp - K0PP ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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The Internet has created a mob of hyper-sensitive hype-critical keyboard warriors. Any comment, including this one is likely to bring on the slings and arrows. With respect to ham gear, yes, roughly speaking you get what you pay for, but sometimes marginal performance is much better than no performance. Most of the MFJ stuff I have purchased has served the purpose, especially in my younger years when more expensive alternatives were out of reach. I also drive Fords & Chevys and not Range Rovers and Mercedes. ___________ 73, Jim - N4ST -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Ken G Kopp Sent: Monday, April 8, 2019 08:16 To: Elecraft <[hidden email]> Subject: [Elecraft] My "MFJ Posting" I am dismayed at the view some took of my posting. I intended absolutely no racial or eletist content ... in any way ... and apologize to anyone who read it that way. 73 ! Ken Kopp - K0PP ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Thank you, Jim N4ST, for expressing something which I had become afraid to (having been stung by wasps too many times)
73, Joan KX2CW Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra, said Piglet. Shaka, when the walls fell, said Pooh. > On Apr 8, 2019, at 10:41, Jim - N4ST <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Ken, > > The Internet has created a mob of hyper-sensitive hype-critical keyboard > warriors. > Any comment, including this one is likely to bring on the slings and arrows. > > With respect to ham gear, yes, roughly speaking you get what you pay for, > but sometimes marginal performance is much better than no performance. > Most of the MFJ stuff I have purchased has served the purpose, especially in > my younger years when more expensive alternatives were out of reach. > I also drive Fords & Chevys and not Range Rovers and Mercedes. > > ___________ > 73, > Jim - N4ST > > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> On > Behalf Of Ken G Kopp > Sent: Monday, April 8, 2019 08:16 > To: Elecraft <[hidden email]> > Subject: [Elecraft] My "MFJ Posting" > > I am dismayed at the view some took of my posting. I intended absolutely no > racial or eletist content ... in any way ... and apologize to anyone who > read it that way. > > 73 ! > > Ken Kopp - K0PP > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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What gets me is that Ken was not commenting on a race but a culture. He was completely wrong in his assessment of the culture to which the head of MFJ belonged, but that’s another issue. It should not have been implied he was a racist for that comment. An apology is due, IMHO. The word “racist” is thrown around too frequently today in ways that are on the verge of rendering the word meaningless. At that point real racists take cover under the umbrella thus created by the misuse of the term. That’s very unfortunate, because real racism is hideous and needs to be forcefully countered and confronted everywhere it raises its ugly head.
73, Carl Sent from my iPhone =========================== Carl Jón Denbow, N8VZ 17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 [hidden email] www.n8vz.com EM89wh IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 PSK and JT65 Forever! =========================== > On Apr 9, 2019, at 4:34 PM, Joan via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Thank you, Jim N4ST, for expressing something which I had become afraid to (having been stung by wasps too many times) > > 73, > Joan KX2CW > > Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra, said Piglet. > Shaka, when the walls fell, said Pooh. > >> On Apr 8, 2019, at 10:41, Jim - N4ST <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> Ken, >> >> The Internet has created a mob of hyper-sensitive hype-critical keyboard >> warriors. >> Any comment, including this one is likely to bring on the slings and arrows. >> >> With respect to ham gear, yes, roughly speaking you get what you pay for, >> but sometimes marginal performance is much better than no performance. >> Most of the MFJ stuff I have purchased has served the purpose, especially in >> my younger years when more expensive alternatives were out of reach. >> I also drive Fords & Chevys and not Range Rovers and Mercedes. >> >> ___________ >> 73, >> Jim - N4ST >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> On >> Behalf Of Ken G Kopp >> Sent: Monday, April 8, 2019 08:16 >> To: Elecraft <[hidden email]> >> Subject: [Elecraft] My "MFJ Posting" >> >> I am dismayed at the view some took of my posting. I intended absolutely no >> racial or eletist content ... in any way ... and apologize to anyone who >> read it that way. >> >> 73 ! >> >> Ken Kopp - K0PP >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Since when did nationality = race? Why do you assume Ken’s comment was based on how Martin looks? He may have never seen a photo of him. I certainly haven’t, that I can recall. His name sounds like it’s Asian. Is his ethnicity Chinese, Japanese, Korean? I have no idea. Ken may have assumed, I gather incorrectly, that he was an immigrant from one of those nations. Each of those nations certainly have different cultures, with different sets of cultural norms. Ken made a very awkward statement. Not one I would make. But, I think branding it as racism is more in the eye of the beholder then the pen of the author. 73 de Carl N8VZ
Sent from my iPhone =========================== Carl Jón Denbow, N8VZ 17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 [hidden email] www.n8vz.com EM89wh IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 PSK and JT65 Forever! =========================== > On Apr 10, 2019, at 11:55 AM, Scott Manthe <[hidden email]> wrote: > > This is what Ken said: > Perhaps the matter stems from the nationality of MFJ's owner and a > different set of values. > > He doesn't mention "culture" at all. He mentions nationality, but since Martin Jue is an American, born in Mississippi, what is he talking about? Ken is saying that Jue doesn't "look" like an American and has different values because of the way he looks. Isn't that racist? If that's not real racism, then what is? Ken didn't call him a pejorative name, but he did assume the Martin has different values based on the way he looks. Isn't that ugly enough for you? > > 73, > Scott N9AA > >> On 4/10/19 9:20 AM, Carl Jón Denbow wrote: >> What gets me is that Ken was not commenting on a race but a culture. He was completely wrong in his assessment of the culture to which the head of MFJ belonged, but that’s another issue. It should not have been implied he was a racist for that comment. An apology is due, IMHO. The word “racist” is thrown around too frequently today in ways that are on the verge of rendering the word meaningless. At that point real racists take cover under the umbrella thus created by the misuse of the term. That’s very unfortunate, because real racism is hideous and needs to be forcefully countered and confronted everywhere it raises its ugly head. >> >> 73, >> >> Carl >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> =========================== >> Carl Jón Denbow, N8VZ >> 17 Coventry Lane >> Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 >> >> [hidden email] >> www.n8vz.com >> EM89wh >> >> IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 >> >> PSK and JT65 Forever! >> =========================== >> >>>> On Apr 9, 2019, at 4:34 PM, Joan via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Thank you, Jim N4ST, for expressing something which I had become afraid to (having been stung by wasps too many times) >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> Joan KX2CW >>>> >>>> Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra, said Piglet. >>>> Shaka, when the walls fell, said Pooh. >>>> >>>> On Apr 8, 2019, at 10:41, Jim - N4ST <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Ken, >>>> >>>> The Internet has created a mob of hyper-sensitive hype-critical keyboard >>>> warriors. >>>> Any comment, including this one is likely to bring on the slings and arrows. >>>> >>>> With respect to ham gear, yes, roughly speaking you get what you pay for, >>>> but sometimes marginal performance is much better than no performance. >>>> Most of the MFJ stuff I have purchased has served the purpose, especially in >>>> my younger years when more expensive alternatives were out of reach. >>>> I also drive Fords & Chevys and not Range Rovers and Mercedes. >>>> >>>> ___________ >>>> 73, >>>> Jim - N4ST >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> On >>>> Behalf Of Ken G Kopp >>>> Sent: Monday, April 8, 2019 08:16 >>>> To: Elecraft <[hidden email]> >>>> Subject: [Elecraft] My "MFJ Posting" >>>> >>>> I am dismayed at the view some took of my posting. I intended absolutely no >>>> racial or eletist content ... in any way ... and apologize to anyone who >>>> read it that way. >>>> >>>> 73 ! >>>> >>>> Ken Kopp - K0PP >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Folks - We commented strongly on the post in question and closed this topic
several days ago. Thread is CLOSED. I also posted that discussions criticizing others about race./culture etc. along with posts or direct emails criticizing those who made inappropriate posts are outside of list guidelines. See my earlier post, or email me for a copy if you did not see my earlier posting on our position on the original offensive post and these topics. Also if you you have complaints about any posting please email me as the moderator and I'll address it. Since I do not always read the list in real time, direct emails work best. 73, Eric Moderator, COO, etc. /elecraft.com/ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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