My Proposed K3 Configuration so far...

[Robby.VY2SS]

Phil

 

The KUSB is just a USB to RS-232.  They nailed me for $40 for one because I
thought it was a special one for the K3. It didn't work. I later found one
for under $10 that works fine. Don't buy it.

 

Elecraft have some wonderful products and accessories.  The KUSB just isn't
one of them.

 

-Robby

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[Bob Naumann W5OV]

Since the KUSB is "just a USB to RS-232", why couldn't you get it to work?

In other words, what's wrong with it?

It works fine for me and hundreds of others. I wonder why you had trouble
with it?

Bob W5OV



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Phil

 

The KUSB is just a USB to RS-232.  They nailed me for $40 for one because I
thought it was a special one for the K3. It didn't work. I later found one
for under $10 that works fine. Don't buy it.

 

Elecraft have some wonderful products and accessories.  The KUSB just isn't
one of them.

 

-Robby

VY2SS

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[AD4C2009]

 "They nailed me for $40 for one,Don't buy it."
 
Well I have to disagree with that statement because when I ordered my K3 last year I ordered also that forty bucks cable that you said not to buy and guess what,a year after using it daily in my K3 to access Hamradio delux,K3 Utilities, and also K3 easy,IT WORKS PERFECTLY WELL!!!.
I understand  the fact that  might be cables like that in the market for less money don't mean that the ones sold by them are all bad,IT WORKS in any of my THREE computers I have at home after I installed the proper drivers on each one.
 
Hector
AD4C
 
 
 
"For a refined ham it is compulsory to own a k3"

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Phil



The KUSB is just a USB to RS-232.  They nailed me for $40 for one because I
thought it was a special one for the K3. It didn't work. I later found one
for under $10 that works fine. Don't buy it.



Elecraft have some wonderful products and accessories.  The KUSB just isn't
one of them.



-Robby

VY2SS

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[Lionel-F6FCD]

Hi all,
Few minutes ago, I just ordered a full K3 kit ....with "KUSB" option.....so
not very happy to hear that !
Regards,
Lionel, F6FCD, France

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Phil

 

The KUSB is just a USB to RS-232.  They nailed me for $40 for one because I
thought it was a special one for the K3. It didn't work. I later found one
for under $10 that works fine. Don't buy it.

 

Elecraft have some wonderful products and accessories.  The KUSB just isn't
one of them.

 

-Robby

VY2SS

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[Ken Wagner K3IU]

Hi Lionel:

There are hundreds, if not thousands, of the KUSB option in use. They do
work. If you get one and it, in fact, doesn't work, then I'm sure that
Elecraft will allow you to return it. I have successfully used one on
two different machines with three different operating systems and, with
the correct driver installed, it works!

73, Ken K3IU
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Lionel Lhermitte wrote:

> Hi all,
> Few minutes ago, I just ordered a full K3 kit ....with "KUSB" option.....so
> not very happy to hear that !
> Regards,
> Lionel, F6FCD, France
>
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> Phil
>
>  
>
> The KUSB is just a USB to RS-232.  They nailed me for $40 for one because I
> thought it was a special one for the K3. It didn't work. I later found one
> for under $10 that works fine. Don't buy it.
>
>  
>
> Elecraft have some wonderful products and accessories.  The KUSB just isn't
> one of them.
>
>  
>
> -Robby
>
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[Grant Youngman]

It is curious why so many people have no problems at all with the Prolific-based KUSB, and others have constant issues.

I've used a bunch of equivalent adapters for a long time -- on an Orion, GPS stabilized time base, and other things.  Once I changed PCs, I could no longer get them to work properly, even with what were the "current" drivers, old drivers,  whatever. The OS's were the same, the update levels were the same, only the PC platform itself was different.  Couldn't get them to work at all on a Mac (although others have wthout a problem).  So I went to new brand with a different chipset (keyspan) and they work, but I'm still surprised everytime the DO work :-)

Fortunately, if one one doesn't work reliably, it doesn't break the bank to try something else.

Grant/NQ5T


On Nov 20, 2009, at 7:12 AM, Lionel Lhermitte wrote:

> Hi all,
> Few minutes ago, I just ordered a full K3 kit ....with "KUSB" option.....so
> not very happy to hear that !
> Regards,
> Lionel, F6FCD, France
>

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[Phillip Buckholdt-2]

I have the KUSB cable and it works fine with several computers running Win
XP SP3.  The drivers on the computers work fine.I have two other Prolific
USB adapters that also are OK.

     Phil K8MBY
     K-3 609

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Hi all,
Few minutes ago, I just ordered a full K3 kit ....with "KUSB" option.....so
not very happy to hear that !
Regards,
Lionel, F6FCD, France

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Phil



The KUSB is just a USB to RS-232.  They nailed me for $40 for one because I
thought it was a special one for the K3. It didn't work. I later found one
for under $10 that works fine. Don't buy it.



Elecraft have some wonderful products and accessories.  The KUSB just isn't
one of them.



-Robby

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[4Z5TO]

Enjoy...

The KUSB USB to RS-232 cables are uniquely designed and built to convey the true natural beauty of the original data transfer stream with see-through transparency and life-like, holographic imaging.

With the KUSB we start with a true Hyperlitz design using silver-plated copper conductors each with its own Teflon coating. The individual conductors are not in contact throughout the length of the USB cable except, of course, at the connection point to the male and female plugs. This type of Hyperlitz design tremendously reduces inter-conductor EMI and RFI noise and is responsible, to a large extent, for the three dimensional and “life-like” holographic imaging. This design is also responsible to a great extent for the pinpoint image accuracy of the K3.

Each individual lead of the USB cable is made of 12 silver-plated copper conductors, each of which has its OWN Teflon coating. Four of the conductors are 16 AWG, four are 18 AWG, and the last four are 22 AWG. The total AWG of each lead (there are 2 leads in each USB cable, of course) is slightly thicker than an 8 AWG conductor. That degree of thickness is UNHEARD of in the industry. This means that the KUSB is capable of supplying “endless power” to any component you have at your disposal. From the 5 watt X-TAL SET to the 10000 watt Solid State monoblock. This does not mean that the KUSB has to be used for just the K3 only. It’s perfectly suited for your toaster and waffle iron as well.

Prior to assembly each individual conductor (remember that there are 12 conductors of different sizes in each lead) is immersed in a liquid Nitrogen tank for 96 hours. The liquid Nitrogen treatment is time consuming and COSTLY; however, it’s well worth the effort. The transparency and pin-point imaging of the KUSB PC is significantly improved by this liquid Nitrogen treatment. We feel that the natural presence and the organic nature of the music is preserved and enhanced by our liquid Nitrogen treatment. Our ground lead is a 10 AWG copper multi-stranded conductor and the entire length of the KUSB PC is 100% shielded with aluminum to further reduce EMI and RFI from the outside world. Finally the cord is covered by a transparent colored and relatively soft and pliable polypropylene based jacked. The female plug is from Juan in Puerto Rico - also USA made! I should mention that the female plug is thoroughly cleaned with COGSS Labs Pro Mold XYL metal conditioner and deoxidizer. In addition, the  contact points inside the female  plug are manually adjusted to provide you with a tighter grip once the KUSB is plugged into your unit - WOW!!! You can feeeelll the difference. You will feel this the very first time you plug-in. Watch for it. This process is laborious but well worth the effort. No one in the industry that I know of actually goes this far to improve a USBs performance! For the male connector we have chosen the Johnson connector. We choose this connector because it’s sturdier than the Juan and due to the large gauge size of our leads, this connector does not strip, even when extremely tightly connected. The Juan simply can not handle a lead thicker than 10 AWG. Why? It strips quite frequently during the connection. In terms of quality the Johnson is a better choice in this application.

[Bill N2BC]

Grant Youngman wrote:

> It is curious why so many people have no problems at all with the Prolific-based KUSB, and others have constant issues.
>
> I've used a bunch of equivalent adapters for a long time -- on an Orion, GPS stabilized time base, and other things.  Once I changed PCs, I could no longer get them to work properly, even with what were the "current" drivers, old drivers,  whatever. The OS's were the same, the update levels were the same, only the PC platform itself was different.  Couldn't get them to work at all on a Mac (although others have wthout a problem).  So I went to new brand with a different chipset (keyspan) and they work, but I'm still surprised everytime the DO work :-)
>
> Fortunately, if one one doesn't work reliably, it doesn't break the bank to try something else.
>
> Grant/NQ5T
>
>
> On Nov 20, 2009, at 7:12 AM, Lionel Lhermitte wrote:
>
>  
>> Hi all,
>> Few minutes ago, I just ordered a full K3 kit ....with "KUSB" option.....so
>> not very happy to hear that !
>> Regards,
>> Lionel, F6FCD, France
>>
>>    
>
>
>  

There is a ton of USB support code in a PC's BIOS.   Support to
recognize keyboards, mice, external hard drives, floppy drives, thumb
drives, etc.  

I have an external hard drive that caused one of my PCs (plain vanilla
HP machine) to cogitate for almost 5 minutes on every boot, eventually
coming to life.  Unplugged it and got a normal boot.   Different PC
(plan vanilla COMPAQ - duh, HP too!) boots fine with the external drive.

That said, I have a handful of USB to serial gizmos, both Prolific and
FTDI based that work OK on all of my PCs - HP, COMPAQ and a number of
'homebrew' types with various manufacturer MBs.  

I suspect the root of the evil is in the PC BIOS.

73, Bill  N2BC

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[4Z5TO]

Seriously though,

I think most of us ordered the KUSB out of convenience of not having to search out a USB to RS232 cable - it is not something everybody carries, rather than having to call and drive around looking for one.

I know if I went to order a $10.00 cable, it would have cost me another $20.00 just to get it into my hands - so I guess I'm out $10.00 in retrospect! Hey...@#$#%$!

The cable is of decent quality and I doubt if it has any special properties.

[Gary Bartlett VE1RGB]

Hi, Robby:

        I think you are being a little harsh, or at least being
black-and-white when grey is a more appropriate colour.

        I have used USB-to-serial converters from three different
manufacturers with three different radios and three different computers.
Some work in some combinations and not in others and to some extent it is a
crap-shoot when you buy an adapter as to whether or not it will work with
your combination of equipment.  Somewhere I have a link to an article that
discusses why this is so, but understanding it is above my pay grade.  It
has a lot to do with the interface circuitry and firmware of the serial port
on the rig and USB port on the computer, working in combination with what is
in the adapter cable.  The sun and the moon and the planets all need to line
up properly for these three elements to learn how to talk to each other.  My
Elecraft USB-to-serial adapter worked with my K2 but it didn't work with the
K3 the first time either until I downloaded the latest chipset.

        If a USB-to-serial cable does not work with any given combination of
radios and computers, it is not correct in my experience to say that there
is anything wrong with the cable per se.  It would only be correct to say
that it doesn't work in that specific situation.

        73,
        Gary, VE1RGB

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Phil

 

The KUSB is just a USB to RS-232.  They nailed me for $40 for one because I
thought it was a special one for the K3. It didn't work. I later found one
for under $10 that works fine. Don't buy it.

 

Elecraft have some wonderful products and accessories.  The KUSB just isn't
one of them.

 

-Robby

VY2SS

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[Philippe Trottet]

Lionel,
Don't worry the cable works perfect, I've received my K3 two weeks ago
with the KUSB option.
Only to go to the Electraft website and download the usb utility
depending your driver that's all.
73's
Philippe
A65BI / F5LTB

K3#3616

>>> "Lionel Lhermitte" <[hidden email]> 20-11-2009 17:12 >>>
Hi all,
Few minutes ago, I just ordered a full K3 kit ....with "KUSB"
option.....so
not very happy to hear that !
Regards,
Lionel, F6FCD, France

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Phil

 

The KUSB is just a USB to RS-232.  They nailed me for $40 for one
because I
thought it was a special one for the K3. It didn't work. I later found
one
for under $10 that works fine. Don't buy it.

 

Elecraft have some wonderful products and accessories.  The KUSB just
isn't
one of them.

 

-Robby

VY2SS

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[AD4C2009]

"The cable is of decent quality and I doubt if it has any special properties."
--
When I made my order last year my first though about that special RS232 to USB cable was that surely Elecraft was not going to sell a defective cable,so I included in the K3 order and like I said before its been working in all my three computers at home,different brands,PC's and laptop,after installed the drivers,all of them recognized the K3 port and worked with any software to control the radio.
Its professionally built and it works always.
 
AD4C

"For a refined ham it is compulsory to own a k3"

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Seriously though,

I think most of us ordered the KUSB out of convenience of not having to
search out a USB to RS232 cable - it is not something everybody carries,
rather than having to call and drive around looking for one.

I know if I went to order a $10.00 cable, it would have cost me another
$20.00 just to get it into my hands - so I guess I'm out $10.00 in
retrospect! Hey...@#$#%$!

The cable is of decent quality and I doubt if it has any special properties.
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[Greg - AB7R]

Please keep in mind if you are going to use a MAC you should probably get the
KeySpan USB>Serial interface.  When I had an iMac I used the Keyspan 49WG and never
had any problems.  For my PC I installed one of the PCI serial cards and it works
great.

-------------------------
73,
Greg - AB7R
Whidbey Island WA
NA-065


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>
>Seriously though,
>
>I think most of us ordered the KUSB out of convenience of not having to
>search out a USB to RS232 cable - it is not something everybody carries,
>rather than having to call and drive around looking for one.
>
>I know if I went to order a $10.00 cable, it would have cost me another
>$20.00 just to get it into my hands - so I guess I'm out $10.00 in
>retrospect! Hey...@#$#%$!
>
>The cable is of decent quality and I doubt if it has any special properties.
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[4Z5TO]

The cable it seems does have a "special" feature as was kindly pointed out to me, heck what do I know I just included it when I ordered my K3.

Apparently "it has the correct gender of connecting screws, and will fasten directly on to the K3's back panel DE-9 connector.  Other USB to Serial Adapters have jack nuts on the 9-pin end, and therefore require an intervening serial cable."

But this is absolute madness... Why should you *build* such a thing?

[Ken Kopp-3]

My KUSB, bought with my initial K3 purchase, works fine.

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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[Dr. John]

Hello, everybody,

I have a K2 kit, totally built by myself, with all K2 options, totally built
and installed by myself, 6-Meter Transverter kit, totally built by myself, a
K3 kit, totally built by myself with all options that are available at this
time, built and installed by myself and I built every ONE of the mini
modules, and I own three KUSBs.  This email is not intended to brag about
me, but it IS intended to offer some perspective on just how much quality
and reliability you are getting when you buy Elecraft. The only "problems" I
EVER had with any of Elecraft's fine products were simply how to make
roofing crystal choices, and perhaps to ask for technical assistance from
time to time, and I always got an immediate, friendly and CORRECT answer. I
also own radios made by other top-rated companies, which are, indeed very
nice, but cannot come close to the comparable Elecraft products.  Elecraft's
products are TOP quality, TOP performing products and so are their people,
from start-to-finish.  No I do not own stock in the company, but when one
keeps going back time after time, and has compared the products personally
to competitive products, it does speak of some experience.
IN SHORT:
NEVER be afraid to buy ANYTHING offered by Elecraft, because you are getting
THE BEST FOR LESS.

John-KJ4PIL

And by the way, the three KUSBs all work perfectly, just like the radios,
when used as directed.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Wagner K3IU [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 8:38 AM
To: Lionel Lhermitte
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My Proposed K3 Configuration so far...

Hi Lionel:

There are hundreds, if not thousands, of the KUSB option in use. They do
work. If you get one and it, in fact, doesn't work, then I'm sure that
Elecraft will allow you to return it. I have successfully used one on
two different machines with three different operating systems and, with
the correct driver installed, it works!

73, Ken K3IU
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Lionel Lhermitte wrote:
> Hi all,
> Few minutes ago, I just ordered a full K3 kit ....with "KUSB"
option.....so

> not very happy to hear that !
> Regards,
> Lionel, F6FCD, France
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] De la part de robby robertson
> Envoyé : vendredi 20 novembre 2009 13:39
> À : [hidden email]
> Objet : [Elecraft] My Proposed K3 Configuration so far...
>
>
> Phil
>
>  
>
> The KUSB is just a USB to RS-232.  They nailed me for $40 for one because

I
> thought it was a special one for the K3. It didn't work. I later found one
> for under $10 that works fine. Don't buy it.
>
>  
>
> Elecraft have some wonderful products and accessories.  The KUSB just
isn't

> one of them.
>
>  
>
> -Robby
>
> VY2SS
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[Robby.VY2SS]

I am sorry I criticized Elecraft regarding their KUSB.

 

I apologize.

 

Once again, I am sorry.

 

Please stop the hate mail now.

 

73,

 

-Robby

VY2SS

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I apologize for my apology.

 

Please stop calling me a pussy

 

-Robby

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Let's all have a round of the Elecraft Kool-aid and forget this ever
happened ;>)

73 Jeff kb2m


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Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 5:56 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My Proposed K3 Configuration so far...

I apologize for my apology.

 

Please stop calling me a pussy

 

-Robby

VY2SS

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