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Edward A. Dauer

N1MM Logger +

Unfortunately it is still not available for Mac, and the developers seem hesitant about using a Windows emulator on an Apple computer. Below is a clip taken from the N1MM + website today. Does anyone have any more current info?

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12. Is there any chance of a cross-platform version for Linux or Mac users?

No. Some users have reported varying degrees of success running N1MM Logger on top of Windows emulators on Mac (Dave, K6WDE/KH6) and Linux clients. Although we wish them the best of luck in their endeavors, this is not a configuration that the Dev Team can support

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Ted, KN1CBR

Message: 3
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 16:39:37 -0400
From: "Chester Alderman" <[hidden email]>
To: "'Jim GM'" <[hidden email]>, "'Elecraft'"
<[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM F-Keys
Message-ID: <000001d1d958$d8763530$89629f90$@windstream.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi Jim,

N1MM is not even supported anymore! If that is what you are using, you are
making a mistake? N1MM Plus, which was released in early 2014 is the current
supported contest program and it has thousands of very happy users, all with
various PC's and rigs, and the program has been acclaimed as being one of
the best contest programs. I have been using N1MM + for many years with both
of my K3's and the ONLY problem I have had with it has always been
self-induced user issues. If you enjoy contesting with Elecraft (and most
any other manufacturer's equipment) you would find extremely good support
from the authors of N1MM Plus. Just bad-mouthing a good product produces a
dim view of the writer.

73,
Tom - W4BQF

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Neil Martinsen-Burrell

Re: N1MM Logger +

On Jul 9, 2016 5:43 AM, "Dauer, Edward" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Unfortunately it is still not available for Mac, and the developers seem
hesitant about using a Windows emulator on an Apple computer. Below is a
clip taken from the N1MM + website today. Does anyone have any more
current info?

That is still the most current info. I would love to hear if anyone has
made the new version of N1MM+ work under WINE, but as far as I know, no one
has succeeded at that. The closest that anyone has come is using a full
Windows virtual machine to run N1MM+. Dale Putnam WC7S is one person who
has reported success with that setup.

-Neil N0FN
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Fred Moore-2

Re: N1MM Logger +

I don't have any problem running under on my Mac, running winblows 7
under parallels, have been doing this for a couple of years.. for
normal logging I use RumlogNG.. Regards.. Fred

On 7/9/16 8:11 AM, Neil Martinsen-Burrell wrote:

> On Jul 9, 2016 5:43 AM, "Dauer, Edward" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Unfortunately it is still not available for Mac, and the developers seem
> hesitant about using a Windows emulator on an Apple computer. Below is a
> clip taken from the N1MM + website today. Does anyone have any more
> current info?
>
> That is still the most current info. I would love to hear if anyone has
> made the new version of N1MM+ work under WINE, but as far as I know, no one
> has succeeded at that. The closest that anyone has come is using a full
> Windows virtual machine to run N1MM+. Dale Putnam WC7S is one person who
> has reported success with that setup.
>
> -Neil N0FN
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Guy Olinger K2AV

Re: N1MM Logger +

In reply to this post by Edward A. Dauer

Responding to some number of comments in this and closely related threads,
not just this particular poster.

1) A reminder that PLAIN N1MM is NO LONGER SUPPORTED, for two years now.
Shouting intended.

N1MM+ is the current and supported version. Any problem you have with the
old MM, the first step is to upgrade to the latest N1MM+. Plus you will
open yourself up to a small pile of neat new features. Any problem with
MM+, the first step is to upgrade to the latest MM+. Still problems? Go to
their excellent support reflector, where there are many patient and
informed members who have zero problems helping steer a newby or an
unfortunate victim to a successful launch. With a little practice and
reading, the MM+ doc will become your best friend. Many, many, many hours
have been spent to create that excellent doc. If someone does not answer
your reflector post in ten minutes, remember that everything is volunteer,
no paid staff. Leave yourself generous run up time before a contest to
allow conversations to run a cycle per evening. If not, those who will
finally answer you are most likely not reading email at that particular
instant, most likely already making contacts in the contest you are trying
to start late and unprepared.

2) AGAIN, N1MM+ is FREE, NOT COMMERCIAL. Shouting intended.

The team of developers et al putting out MM+ **donate** their time and
effort, and have managed to create a stellar **non-commercial** product.
They have stated that to create a parallel product for Mac platforms is
beyond their intentions and resources. Having had a few conversations, that
really does seem a fair and intelligent decision. For them, to keep from
wasting precious volunteer resources on keeping up with OS perturbations
not related to the product, their development platform and single chosen OS
need to be as stable as possibly can be. They do seem open to a tweak here
and there for problems served up **completely analyzed and solved** in the
run-it-on-a-windows-emulator world.

I worked for SAS Institute for 20 years, where SAS' various products
simultaneously supported IBM mainframes, traditional UNIX platforms, PC
operating systems, Windows, for a while OS-2, and various PC versions of
UNIX. For those two decades, I worked in the mainframe section of that
effort. Maintaining that dozen OS parallelism was an **enormous** task,
**grotesquely** complicated, never-endingly rocked by perturbations,
revisions and screw-ups from OS and driver programmers, soaking up hundreds
of employees (really, hundreds), some thirty-odd of them requiring a
peculiar necessarily company-grown skill set that was impossible to hire
for off the open programmer market. Never allow yourself to perceive
difficulty or delay on, or refusal of, multi-platform support as some
dereliction. There, especially for free volunteer efforts, until you have
worked a mile in their shoes, you are simply not qualified to give
criticism.

3) Even compared to many commercial products, N1MM+ is remarkably
responsive in general, particularly in keeping up with changes in the
contesting arena. They even developed a way for the USER to create a
contest script which the logger will run, allowing many tiny contests, like
our annual rules-revised-yet-again PVRC on-the-air reunion, to roll their
own.

4) DO JOIN THE MM REFLECTOR. It is a great bunch over there. Many of us
there have worked through all the same newby confusions. We get it, we
understand, we have ourselves suffered total confusion, and we will help
ease you into the RTFM :>) What is politely tolerated and supported OT on
Elecraft (thank you Eric) is the main drag on MM. There are **many**
Elecraft owners on the MM reflector. You will find call signs common to
both Elecraft and the MM reflector.

ALSO, it might just be that you are the first to separate out a bug, and if
you do not post there, it remains hidden to the only group who **can** and
**do want** to actually fix it. They are **not** scanning the Elecraft
reflector for MM+ bugs.

73, Guy K2AV

On Saturday, July 9, 2016, Dauer, Edward <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Unfortunately it is still not available for Mac, and the developers seem
> hesitant about using a Windows emulator on an Apple computer. Below is a
> clip taken from the N1MM + website today. Does anyone have any more
> current info?
>
> -----------
> 12. Is there any chance of a cross-platform version for Linux or Mac users?
>
> No. Some users have reported varying degrees of success running N1MM
> Logger on top of Windows emulators on Mac (Dave, K6WDE/KH6) and Linux
> clients. Although we wish them the best of luck in their endeavors, this is
> not a configuration that the Dev Team can support
>
> ------------
>
> Ted, KN1CBR
>
>
>
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 16:39:37 -0400
> From: "Chester Alderman" <[hidden email]>
> To: "'Jim GM'" <[hidden email]>, "'Elecraft'"
> <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM F-Keys
> Message-ID: <000001d1d958$d8763530$89629f90$@windstream.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> N1MM is not even supported anymore! If that is what you are using, you are
> making a mistake? N1MM Plus, which was released in early 2014 is the
> current
> supported contest program and it has thousands of very happy users, all
> with
> various PC's and rigs, and the program has been acclaimed as being one of
> the best contest programs. I have been using N1MM + for many years with
> both
> of my K3's and the ONLY problem I have had with it has always been
> self-induced user issues. If you enjoy contesting with Elecraft (and most
> any other manufacturer's equipment) you would find extremely good support
> from the authors of N1MM Plus. Just bad-mouthing a good product produces a
> dim view of the writer.
>
> 73,
> Tom - W4BQF
>
>
>
>
>
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Nr4c

Re: N1MM Logger +

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I use BOOTCAMP to run Win8.1 for portable use with my MacBook Pro. Works great.

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill

> On Jul 9, 2016, at 6:42 AM, Dauer, Edward <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Unfortunately it is still not available for Mac, and the developers seem hesitant about using a Windows emulator on an Apple computer. Below is a clip taken from the N1MM + website today. Does anyone have any more current info?
>
> -----------
> 12. Is there any chance of a cross-platform version for Linux or Mac users?
>
> No. Some users have reported varying degrees of success running N1MM Logger on top of Windows emulators on Mac (Dave, K6WDE/KH6) and Linux clients. Although we wish them the best of luck in their endeavors, this is not a configuration that the Dev Team can support
>
> ------------
>
> Ted, KN1CBR
>
>
>
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 16:39:37 -0400
> From: "Chester Alderman" <[hidden email]>
> To: "'Jim GM'" <[hidden email]>, "'Elecraft'"
> <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM F-Keys
> Message-ID: <000001d1d958$d8763530$89629f90$@windstream.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> N1MM is not even supported anymore! If that is what you are using, you are
> making a mistake? N1MM Plus, which was released in early 2014 is the current
> supported contest program and it has thousands of very happy users, all with
> various PC's and rigs, and the program has been acclaimed as being one of
> the best contest programs. I have been using N1MM + for many years with both
> of my K3's and the ONLY problem I have had with it has always been
> self-induced user issues. If you enjoy contesting with Elecraft (and most
> any other manufacturer's equipment) you would find extremely good support
> from the authors of N1MM Plus. Just bad-mouthing a good product produces a
> dim view of the writer.
>
> 73,
> Tom - W4BQF
>
>

Bob Nielsen-4

Re: N1MM Logger +

In reply to this post by Fred Moore-2

While probably lacking some of the features of N!MM+, RUMlogNG does a
great job on contests as well as general logging, so we Mac users can
avoid going to the dark side :^). Tom (DL2RUM) is continually adding
new contests to the list, so one should check frequently for an updated
version.

Bob, N7XY

On 7/9/16 7:11 AM, Fred Moore wrote:

> I don't have any problem running under on my Mac, running winblows 7
> under parallels, have been doing this for a couple of years.. for
> normal logging I use RumlogNG.. Regards.. Fred
>
>
> On 7/9/16 8:11 AM, Neil Martinsen-Burrell wrote:
>> On Jul 9, 2016 5:43 AM, "Dauer, Edward" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Unfortunately it is still not available for Mac, and the developers seem
>> hesitant about using a Windows emulator on an Apple computer. Below is a
>> clip taken from the N1MM + website today. Does anyone have any more
>> current info?
>>
>> That is still the most current info. I would love to hear if anyone has
>> made the new version of N1MM+ work under WINE, but as far as I know, no one
>> has succeeded at that. The closest that anyone has come is using a full
>> Windows virtual machine to run N1MM+. Dale Putnam WC7S is one person who
>> has reported success with that setup.
>>
>> -Neil N0FN
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Jim Larson

Re: N1MM Logger +

I’ve been using N1MM+ via a Windows 10 Virtual Box VM on my iMac. Works pretty well, but as Bob, N7XY said, RUMlogNG works great as a native app. That is my preferred contesting app, especially on CW. Uses the K3S internal keyer instead of computer generated CW characters. Sounds much cleaner.

Anyway, options to try. RUMlogNG is a free download via the App Store.

Jim - KK7A

On July 9, 2016 at 3:47:00 PM, Bob Nielsen ([hidden email]) wrote:

While probably lacking some of the features of N!MM+, RUMlogNG does a
great job on contests as well as general logging, so we Mac users can
avoid going to the dark side :^). Tom (DL2RUM) is continually adding
new contests to the list, so one should check frequently for an updated
version.

Bob, N7XY

On 7/9/16 7:11 AM, Fred Moore wrote:

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a45wg-3

Re: N1MM Logger +

In reply to this post by Guy Olinger K2AV

Guy,
Out of interest from a SW Developer point of View what is N1MM written in ?

Tim - A45WG

> On 9 Jul 2016, at 18:38, Guy Olinger K2AV <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
> They have stated that to create a parallel product for Mac platforms is
> beyond their intentions and resources. Having had a few conversations, that
> really does seem a fair and intelligent decision. For them, to keep from
> wasting precious volunteer resources on keeping up with OS perturbations
> not related to the product, their development platform and single chosen OS
> need to be as stable as possibly can be. They do seem open to a tweak here
> and there for problems served up **completely analyzed and solved** in the
> run-it-on-a-windows-emulator world.

Matt Murphy

Re: N1MM Logger +

I'll chime in because this is something I've wondered about...

N1MM+ is written in Microsoft's .NET framework. Recently this became a
cross-platform framework, and so theoretically the core functionality of
N1MM could be made to run natively on Linux or OSX.

However, N1MM uses a variety of libraries and integrations that are not
cross-platform, and so if the N1MM team were to attempt to support Linux or
OSX there would be a ton of additional work simply dealing with the
confusion about what aspects would only work in Windows vs on other
platforms.

For anyone trying to use N1MM on Linux or OSX, I highly recommend the
program called VirtualBox, which is a free alternative to Parallels and
VMWare. It is now owned/maintained by Oracle, and is very high quality.
You simply install windows in VirtualBox and N1MM and any other programs
work flawlessly. Microsoft makes free versions of Windows available to the
public that work for 90 days, and can easily be installed in VirtualBox.

Linux and OSX both offer some tremendous advantages over Windows, and I
think the amateur radio community would benefit tremendously from
transitioning to *n*x at some point in the future. In the meantime, I have
my computers set up with VirtualBox or as a dual-boot.

N1MM+ is superb software, and we are lucky to have such a skilled team of
people maintaining it. I'm continually impressed by the attention to
detail and small quality improvements that arrive with each new release.

VirtualBox download link here: https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads

73,
Matt NQ6N

On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 10:11 PM, a45wg <-[hidden email]> wrote:

> Guy,
> Out of interest from a SW Developer point of View what is N1MM
> written in ?
>
> Tim - A45WG
>
>
> > On 9 Jul 2016, at 18:38, Guy Olinger K2AV <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > They have stated that to create a parallel product for Mac platforms is
> > beyond their intentions and resources. Having had a few conversations,
> that
> > really does seem a fair and intelligent decision. For them, to keep from
> > wasting precious volunteer resources on keeping up with OS perturbations
> > not related to the product, their development platform and single chosen
> OS
> > need to be as stable as possibly can be. They do seem open to a tweak
> here
> > and there for problems served up **completely analyzed and solved** in
> the
> > run-it-on-a-windows-emulator world.
>
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Guy Olinger K2AV

Re: N1MM Logger +

In reply to this post by a45wg-3

Visual Basic .NET and SQLite are the essentials.

73, Guy K2AV

On Saturday, July 9, 2016, a45wg <-[hidden email]> wrote:

> Guy,
> Out of interest from a SW Developer point of View what is N1MM written in ?
>
> Tim - A45WG
>
>
> On 9 Jul 2016, at 18:38, Guy Olinger K2AV <[hidden email]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[hidden email]');>> wrote:
>
>
> They have stated that to create a parallel product for Mac platforms is
> beyond their intentions and resources. Having had a few conversations, that
> really does seem a fair and intelligent decision. For them, to keep from
> wasting precious volunteer resources on keeping up with OS perturbations
> not related to the product, their development platform and single chosen OS
> need to be as stable as possibly can be. They do seem open to a tweak here
> and there for problems served up **completely analyzed and solved** in the
> run-it-on-a-windows-emulator world.
>
>
>

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k6mrmagnet

Re: N1MM Logger +

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“I think the amateur radio community would benefit tremendously from
transitioning to *n*x at some point in the future.”

Until the Linux folks make the installation of new hardware as easy as it is on Windows I don’t think it will ever happen.

I tried to build the drivers for my serial card, network USB device, and network serial server, and after spending a couple of days trying to figure it out I gave up. I don’t have an extensive software background, but I do have some programming experience with *nix systems. If you have a simple hardware setup it might be ok but throw in anything unusual and it’s hopeless. And then add in things like rotator controls (Windows only) and there is little chance it will ever work.

The next major release of the logger I use (DXLog.net) is going to support Linux (and probably OSX) but without the third party hardware support I won’t be changing.

I know people like to bad mouth Windows but the vast majority of stations out there are running it very successfully. I just don’t see any advantages to changing at the moment.

Ken K6MR

From: Matt Murphy<mailto:[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2016 21:09
To: a45wg<mailto:-[hidden email]>
Cc: Dauer, Edward<mailto:[hidden email]>; [hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] N1MM Logger +

I'll chime in because this is something I've wondered about...

N1MM+ is written in Microsoft's .NET framework. Recently this became a
cross-platform framework, and so theoretically the core functionality of
N1MM could be made to run natively on Linux or OSX.

However, N1MM uses a variety of libraries and integrations that are not
cross-platform, and so if the N1MM team were to attempt to support Linux or
OSX there would be a ton of additional work simply dealing with the
confusion about what aspects would only work in Windows vs on other
platforms.

For anyone trying to use N1MM on Linux or OSX, I highly recommend the
program called VirtualBox, which is a free alternative to Parallels and
VMWare. It is now owned/maintained by Oracle, and is very high quality.
You simply install windows in VirtualBox and N1MM and any other programs
work flawlessly. Microsoft makes free versions of Windows available to the
public that work for 90 days, and can easily be installed in VirtualBox.

Linux and OSX both offer some tremendous advantages over Windows, and I
think the amateur radio community would benefit tremendously from
transitioning to *n*x at some point in the future. In the meantime, I have
my computers set up with VirtualBox or as a dual-boot.

N1MM+ is superb software, and we are lucky to have such a skilled team of
people maintaining it. I'm continually impressed by the attention to
detail and small quality improvements that arrive with each new release.

VirtualBox download link here: https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads

73,
Matt NQ6N

On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 10:11 PM, a45wg <-[hidden email]> wrote:

Matt Murphy

Re: N1MM Logger +

> I know people like to bad mouth Windows but the vast majority of stations
out there are running it very successfully. I just don’t see any advantages
to changing at the moment.

It is true, and Windows continues to improve. I installed Windows 10 and
have been very pleased with it. There is not currently a good reason for
most hams to leave Windows.

Fortunately, Windows 10 will soon offer Linux as an optional module, so
many of the benefits of Linux may soon be available to Windows users.

73,
Matt NQ6N

On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 11:40 PM, Ken K6MR <[hidden email]> wrote:

> “I think the amateur radio community would benefit tremendously from
> transitioning to *n*x at some point in the future.”
>
> Until the Linux folks make the installation of new hardware as easy as it
> is on Windows I don’t think it will ever happen.
>
> I tried to build the drivers for my serial card, network USB device, and
> network serial server, and after spending a couple of days trying to figure
> it out I gave up. I don’t have an extensive software background, but I do
> have some programming experience with *nix systems. If you have a simple
> hardware setup it might be ok but throw in anything unusual and it’s
> hopeless. And then add in things like rotator controls (Windows only) and
> there is little chance it will ever work.
>
> The next major release of the logger I use (DXLog.net) is going to support
> Linux (and probably OSX) but without the third party hardware support I
> won’t be changing.
>
> I know people like to bad mouth Windows but the vast majority of stations
> out there are running it very successfully. I just don’t see any advantages
> to changing at the moment.
>
> Ken K6MR
>
>
> From: Matt Murphy<mailto:[hidden email]>
> Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2016 21:09
> To: a45wg<mailto:-[hidden email]>
> Cc: Dauer, Edward<mailto:[hidden email]>; [hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] N1MM Logger +
>
> I'll chime in because this is something I've wondered about...
>
> N1MM+ is written in Microsoft's .NET framework. Recently this became a
> cross-platform framework, and so theoretically the core functionality of
> N1MM could be made to run natively on Linux or OSX.
>
> However, N1MM uses a variety of libraries and integrations that are not
> cross-platform, and so if the N1MM team were to attempt to support Linux or
> OSX there would be a ton of additional work simply dealing with the
> confusion about what aspects would only work in Windows vs on other
> platforms.
>
> For anyone trying to use N1MM on Linux or OSX, I highly recommend the
> program called VirtualBox, which is a free alternative to Parallels and
> VMWare. It is now owned/maintained by Oracle, and is very high quality.
> You simply install windows in VirtualBox and N1MM and any other programs
> work flawlessly. Microsoft makes free versions of Windows available to the
> public that work for 90 days, and can easily be installed in VirtualBox.
>
> Linux and OSX both offer some tremendous advantages over Windows, and I
> think the amateur radio community would benefit tremendously from
> transitioning to *n*x at some point in the future. In the meantime, I have
> my computers set up with VirtualBox or as a dual-boot.
>
> N1MM+ is superb software, and we are lucky to have such a skilled team of
> people maintaining it. I'm continually impressed by the attention to
> detail and small quality improvements that arrive with each new release.
>
> VirtualBox download link here: https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads
>
> 73,
> Matt NQ6N
>
> On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 10:11 PM, a45wg <-[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Guy,
> > Out of interest from a SW Developer point of View what is N1MM
> > written in ?
> >
> > Tim - A45WG
> >
> >
> > > On 9 Jul 2016, at 18:38, Guy Olinger K2AV <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > They have stated that to create a parallel product for Mac platforms is
> > > beyond their intentions and resources. Having had a few conversations,
> > that
> > > really does seem a fair and intelligent decision. For them, to keep
> from
> > > wasting precious volunteer resources on keeping up with OS
> perturbations
> > > not related to the product, their development platform and single
> chosen
> > OS
> > > need to be as stable as possibly can be. They do seem open to a tweak
> > here
> > > and there for problems served up **completely analyzed and solved** in
> > the
> > > run-it-on-a-windows-emulator world.
> >
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Re: N1MM Logger +

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On Sat,7/9/2016 9:40 PM, Ken K6MR wrote:
> “I think the amateur radio community would benefit tremendously from
> transitioning to *n*x at some point in the future.”
>
> Until the Linux folks make the installation of new hardware as easy as it is on Windows I don’t think it will ever happen.

I'm VERY strongly in Ken's camp on this one. I started with computers in
the early '80s with a measurement system running in CP/M, which I took
the time to learn. I also took the time to learn DOS, and to do
relatively simple programming in SBASIC and BASIC. A few years down the
road, I transitioned to Windoze, because that's where the engineering
applications I needed ran. Later, I tried to make OS/2 work for me, but
I spent more time getting those specialty Windoze apps to run in OS/2
than I did productive, billable work.

That's how I feel about the desire to make ham stuff run in *nix. I'm an
engineer, a ham, a technical writer. I do NOT want to spend my time
doing IT. I have paid those dues, and lost on the deal big time. OSs are
not religious to me, they are practical for what I want to do on a
computer.

A year or two ago, I went through the exercise of getting Linux and VBox
to work on a couple of machines. It was a struggle, and I don't want to
get into the reasons. I did that to try to run an ancient version
Quattro Pro that happens to do engineering graphs better than anything I
can find in current software -- it's what I use for all my published
graphs. I got VBox running, but I've failed at installing a version of
Windoze old enough to let me load QPW from floppies!

*nix may be wonderful if you're a programmer, but I'm not. :) As Ken has
observed, there's way too much IT overhead involved.

73, Jim K9YC

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Re: N1MM Logger +

I disagree somewhat. Whenever I have connected new hardware to my Macs,
the drivers were already there and I didn't need to find and install
them as I often have needed to to on Windows. I realize this won't
always be the case but it is nice when things work this way.

The difficulties with Linux can vary considerably depending on the
distribution used and it takes some degree of experience to solve these
difficulties when they are encountered but at least you can often see
where things are failing, something which is often hidden from Windows
users.

I retired when Windows was at the 3.1 stage and Linux was pre-1.0, so my
computing these days is more of a hobby than actual work, but it's a
good way to keep the brain cells engaged. I still haven't fully
transitioned from the command line do a lot using the Terminal app.

Bob, N7XY

On 7/10/16 1:02 AM, Jim Brown wrote:

> On Sat,7/9/2016 9:40 PM, Ken K6MR wrote:
>> “I think the amateur radio community would benefit tremendously from
>> transitioning to *n*x at some point in the future.”
>>
>> Until the Linux folks make the installation of new hardware as easy
>> as it is on Windows I don’t think it will ever happen.
>
> I'm VERY strongly in Ken's camp on this one. I started with computers
> in the early '80s with a measurement system running in CP/M, which I
> took the time to learn. I also took the time to learn DOS, and to do
> relatively simple programming in SBASIC and BASIC. A few years down
> the road, I transitioned to Windoze, because that's where the
> engineering applications I needed ran. Later, I tried to make OS/2
> work for me, but I spent more time getting those specialty Windoze
> apps to run in OS/2 than I did productive, billable work.
>
> That's how I feel about the desire to make ham stuff run in *nix. I'm
> an engineer, a ham, a technical writer. I do NOT want to spend my time
> doing IT. I have paid those dues, and lost on the deal big time. OSs
> are not religious to me, they are practical for what I want to do on a
> computer.
>
> A year or two ago, I went through the exercise of getting Linux and
> VBox to work on a couple of machines. It was a struggle, and I don't
> want to get into the reasons. I did that to try to run an ancient
> version Quattro Pro that happens to do engineering graphs better than
> anything I can find in current software -- it's what I use for all my
> published graphs. I got VBox running, but I've failed at installing a
> version of Windoze old enough to let me load QPW from floppies!
>
> *nix may be wonderful if you're a programmer, but I'm not. :) As Ken
> has observed, there's way too much IT overhead involved.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
>
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Michael Walker

Re: N1MM Logger +

In reply to this post by Guy Olinger K2AV

Why is this discussion on the Elecraft reflector and not the N1MM reflector?

Mike va3mw

> On Jul 10, 2016, at 12:33 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Visual Basic .NET and SQLite are the essentials.
>
> 73, Guy K2AV
>
>> On Saturday, July 9, 2016, a45wg <-[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Guy,
>> Out of interest from a SW Developer point of View what is N1MM written in ?
>>
>> Tim - A45WG
>>
>>
>> On 9 Jul 2016, at 18:38, Guy Olinger K2AV <[hidden email]
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[hidden email]');>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> They have stated that to create a parallel product for Mac platforms is
>> beyond their intentions and resources. Having had a few conversations, that
>> really does seem a fair and intelligent decision. For them, to keep from
>> wasting precious volunteer resources on keeping up with OS perturbations
>> not related to the product, their development platform and single chosen OS
>> need to be as stable as possibly can be. They do seem open to a tweak here
>> and there for problems served up **completely analyzed and solved** in the
>> run-it-on-a-windows-emulator world.
>
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Re: N1MM Logger +

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Hopefully it will get nipped in the bud before it degenerates into another Linux vs Windows debate...
73,
Ken Alexander VE3HLS

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Mike va3mw <[hidden email]> Date: 2016-07-10 08:21 (GMT-05:00) To: Guy Olinger K2AV <[hidden email]> Cc: "Dauer, Edward" <[hidden email]>, [hidden email], a45wg <-[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] N1MM Logger +
Why is this discussion on the Elecraft reflector and not the N1MM reflector?

Mike va3mw