N4PY software for K3 now available

[Don Rasmussen]

Can anyone contrast N4PY (paid for) with HRD (free)?

I have limited experience with HRD, but have never
tried N4PY. Also have LP-PAN coming, looking for the
best way to go with respect to software for it.

TIA...


[Elecraft] N4PY software for K3 now available
Don Wilhelm w3fpr at embarqmail.com
Thu Jun 5 09:52:57 EDT 2008


I just received a note from Carl Moreschi N4PY saying
that his N4PY software now includes K3 support.  If
you are interested, you can check it out - his webpage
is www.n4py.com.

73,
Don W3FPR


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[N4LQ-2]

N4PY software simply provides rig control. Basically its a very nice program
allows you to totally control your rig via your PC and it cost $65 up front
and $30 per year thereafter. HRD provides all the above plus all the digital
modes, PSK, RTTY etc. etc. It's free.

Steve Ellington
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> Can anyone contrast N4PY (paid for) with HRD (free)?
>
> I have limited experience with HRD, but have never
> tried N4PY. Also have LP-PAN coming, looking for the
> best way to go with respect to software for it.
>
> TIA...
>
>
> [Elecraft] N4PY software for K3 now available
> Don Wilhelm w3fpr at embarqmail.com
> Thu Jun 5 09:52:57 EDT 2008
>
>
> I just received a note from Carl Moreschi N4PY saying
> that his N4PY software now includes K3 support.  If
> you are interested, you can check it out - his webpage
> is www.n4py.com.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
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[Simon (HB9DRV)]

Also look at DXLabs from Dave AA6YQ.

As far as I know you can't run N4PY's software without first purchasing it
but there are reviews on eHam.net .

If you are new to radio software I suggest you try a free package, see if
you like the concept and then decide on the solution you will stay with
whether it's free or not.

At the moment the software developers are waiting for a more computer
support from the Elecraft software scribes, when this comes the K3 support
in all software solutions HRD, N4PY, ...) will advance by leaps and bounds.

Simon Brown, HB9DRV

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> Can anyone contrast N4PY (paid for) with HRD (free)?
 

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> Also look at DXLabs from Dave AA6YQ.

Which is free! http://www.dxlabsuite.com/ 
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[David Cutter]

I came across this in Elektor which folk might want to try with their sound
cards.

Go the www.elektor.com site and log on as a new user, which will allow you
to download quite a few articles free, after which you have to pay.  Find
the June 2007 issue and then the SDR Soundcard Tester article.  The SDR
article is in the previous issue.  You will need to install some software to
display the results.  The article points to I2PHD but there seem to be
several about.

It's just a 15kHz 555 oscillator with 2 r/c outputs of opposite phase.
These are applied to the sound input of your pc which will then display the
results to determine whether anti-aliasing filters are
required/satisfactory.

It looks fun.

David
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[Joe Subich, W4TV-3]

> As far as I know you can't run N4PY's software without first
> purchasing it but there are reviews on eHam.net .

Be careful in committing to N4PY's software.  Last I knew it
was still 16 bit code and would not run with some software and
hardwire drivers in Windows 2000/XP/Vista.  Specifically, all 16
bit software is not compatible with virtual ports created by the
Eltima software library (e.g., microHAM Router) and the most
recent USB drivers from several vendors.

I do not know of any way to determine in advance if your
particular system will support 16-bit (Windows 3.1) software.
Most authors converted to 32 bit programming models when
Windows 95 was released and Microsoft is reported to be
eliminating 16 bit support completely in the 64 bit versions
of Vista/XP.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Simon
> Brown (HB9DRV)
> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 3:16 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] N4PY software for K3 now available
>
>
> Also look at DXLabs from Dave AA6YQ.
>
> As far as I know you can't run N4PY's software without first
> purchasing it
> but there are reviews on eHam.net .
>
> If you are new to radio software I suggest you try a free
> package, see if
> you like the concept and then decide on the solution you will
> stay with
> whether it's free or not.
>
> At the moment the software developers are waiting for a more computer
> support from the Elecraft software scribes, when this comes
> the K3 support
> in all software solutions HRD, N4PY, ...) will advance by
> leaps and bounds.
>
> Simon Brown, HB9DRV
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Don Rasmussen" <[hidden email]>
>
> > Can anyone contrast N4PY (paid for) with HRD (free)?
>  

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[N5GE]

On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 12:34:25 -0400, "Joe Subich, W4TV" <[hidden email]>
wrote:

>
>> As far as I know you can't run N4PY's software without first
>> purchasing it but there are reviews on eHam.net .
>
>Be careful in committing to N4PY's software.  Last I knew it
>was still 16 bit code and would not run with some software and
>hardwire drivers in Windows 2000/XP/Vista.  Specifically, all 16
>bit software is not compatible with virtual ports created by the
>Eltima software library (e.g., microHAM Router) and the most
>recent USB drivers from several vendors.
>
>I do not know of any way to determine in advance if your
>particular system will support 16-bit (Windows 3.1) software.
>Most authors converted to 32 bit programming models when
>Windows 95 was released and Microsoft is reported to be
>eliminating 16 bit support completely in the 64 bit versions
>of Vista/XP.
>
>73,
>
>   ... Joe, W4TV
>

I downloaded the DXView Rotor Control portion of it and was disappointed to find
that when entering a US callsign it always gave the same heading (somewhere in
SE USA).  That pretty much makes it unusable for anything but DX call signs.
Entering a 6 digit grid square caused recalculation based on the callsign
entered, which is another reason for not using it.

The review on Eham.net was by his beta tester, which in my opinion is really an
advertisement.

Yearly fee based software doesn't fit my idea of friendly software either.

HRD does a fine job of rotor control, but I'd really like to see it have a link
on the headings in the DX Cluster portion like the ones in DM780.  Now that
would be really nice, Simon!

73,

Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq

"Those who would give up
Essential Liberty to
purchase a little Temporary
Safety deserve neither
Liberty nor Safety"

An excerpt from a letter
written in 1755 from the
Assembly to the Governor
of Pennsylvania.

Support the entire Constitution, not
just the parts you like.

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[Simon (HB9DRV)]

I'll be working through HRD during Q3 / Q4 and will be asking for
suggestions - you'll see this in the HRD forums and mailing lists. There's a
lot to do...

More info: http://www.ham-radio-deluxe.com/ and select Help.

Simon Brown, HB9DRV

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>
> HRD does a fine job of rotor control, but I'd really like to see it have a
> link
> on the headings in the DX Cluster portion like the ones in DM780.  Now
> that
> would be really nice, Simon!
>
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[Don Wilhelm-4]

Joe,

Do you speak with personal experience or simply speculation?
I believe Carl offers a 10 day free trial, so you can try it before
committing to it, and once purchased, you get 1 year of free updates.  
The program is not posted for download, so you have to email Carl
[hidden email] if you would like to try a copy.
His subscription service is only for the updates - your copy can be run
forever even if you stop the subscription.
I also believe it runs on all 32 bit Windows OSs - I have had it running
on Windows 2000 and Windows XP, and Carl states that it will run on
anything from Windows 95 to Vista (but not isat64), and I am not sure
about NT.

I no longer use N4PY software routinely - I migrated to Ham Radio Deluxe
because of its integration for digital mode operation, but YMMV, that is
just my choice.

73,
Don W3FPR

Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

>> As far as I know you can't run N4PY's software without first
>> purchasing it but there are reviews on eHam.net .
>>    
>
> Be careful in committing to N4PY's software.  Last I knew it
> was still 16 bit code and would not run with some software and
> hardwire drivers in Windows 2000/XP/Vista.  Specifically, all 16
> bit software is not compatible with virtual ports created by the
> Eltima software library (e.g., microHAM Router) and the most
> recent USB drivers from several vendors.
>
> I do not know of any way to determine in advance if your
> particular system will support 16-bit (Windows 3.1) software.
> Most authors converted to 32 bit programming models when
> Windows 95 was released and Microsoft is reported to be
> eliminating 16 bit support completely in the 64 bit versions
> of Vista/XP.
>
> 73,
>
>    ... Joe, W4TV
>  
>

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[Joe Subich, W4TV-3]

> Do you speak with personal experience or simply speculation?

I know from dealing with the support issues that it will not
access virtual/USB ports that have 32-bit drivers.  This is
due entirely to operating system considerations with 16 bit
code.  

> I believe Carl offers a 10 day free trial, so you can try it
> before committing to it,

That's good.  I did not see anything about a 10 day trial in my
last (quick) look at the web site.  Given that it is 16 bit
code, I would recommend anyone using XP or Vista make sure
that there are no problems in their installation.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm
> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 3:35 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] N4PY software for K3 now available
>
>
> Joe,
>
> Do you speak with personal experience or simply speculation?
> I believe Carl offers a 10 day free trial, so you can try it before
> committing to it, and once purchased, you get 1 year of free
> updates.  
> The program is not posted for download, so you have to email Carl
> [hidden email] if you would like to try a copy.
> His subscription service is only for the updates - your copy
> can be run
> forever even if you stop the subscription.
> I also believe it runs on all 32 bit Windows OSs - I have had
> it running
> on Windows 2000 and Windows XP, and Carl states that it will run on
> anything from Windows 95 to Vista (but not isat64), and I am not sure
> about NT.
>
> I no longer use N4PY software routinely - I migrated to Ham
> Radio Deluxe
> because of its integration for digital mode operation, but
> YMMV, that is
> just my choice.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
> >> As far as I know you can't run N4PY's software without first
> >> purchasing it but there are reviews on eHam.net .
> >>    
> >
> > Be careful in committing to N4PY's software.  Last I knew it
> > was still 16 bit code and would not run with some software and
> > hardwire drivers in Windows 2000/XP/Vista.  Specifically, all 16
> > bit software is not compatible with virtual ports created by the
> > Eltima software library (e.g., microHAM Router) and the most
> > recent USB drivers from several vendors.
> >
> > I do not know of any way to determine in advance if your
> > particular system will support 16-bit (Windows 3.1) software.
> > Most authors converted to 32 bit programming models when
> > Windows 95 was released and Microsoft is reported to be
> > eliminating 16 bit support completely in the 64 bit versions
> > of Vista/XP.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> >    ... Joe, W4TV
> >  
> >
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[Joe Subich, W4TV-3]

> I downloaded the DXView Rotor Control portion of it and was
> disappointed to find that when entering a US callsign it always
> gave the same heading (somewhere in SE USA).

DXView will set the rotor (if enabled) based on the call area
(digit/prefix in the US callsign).  If you are also running
DXKeeeper (the logging portion) with "look-up" enabled and an
online connection, DXView will display headings based on the
location given in QRZ.com.

> Entering a 6 digit grid square caused recalculation based on
> the callsign entered, which is another reason for not using it.

The grid field in DXView is a display field (calculated from
the coordinates given on QRZ or based on the call area if the
QRZ data is not available) it is not available for input.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Tom
> Childers, N5GE
> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 2:26 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] N4PY software for K3 now available
>
>
> On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 12:34:25 -0400, "Joe Subich, W4TV"
> <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >> As far as I know you can't run N4PY's software without first
> >> purchasing it but there are reviews on eHam.net .
> >
> >Be careful in committing to N4PY's software.  Last I knew it
> >was still 16 bit code and would not run with some software and
> >hardwire drivers in Windows 2000/XP/Vista.  Specifically, all 16
> >bit software is not compatible with virtual ports created by the
> >Eltima software library (e.g., microHAM Router) and the most
> >recent USB drivers from several vendors.
> >
> >I do not know of any way to determine in advance if your
> >particular system will support 16-bit (Windows 3.1) software.
> >Most authors converted to 32 bit programming models when
> >Windows 95 was released and Microsoft is reported to be
> >eliminating 16 bit support completely in the 64 bit versions
> >of Vista/XP.
> >
> >73,
> >
> >   ... Joe, W4TV
> >
>
> I downloaded the DXView Rotor Control portion of it and was
> disappointed to find
> that when entering a US callsign it always gave the same
> heading (somewhere in
> SE USA).  That pretty much makes it unusable for anything but
> DX call signs.
> Entering a 6 digit grid square caused recalculation based on
> the callsign
> entered, which is another reason for not using it.
>
> The review on Eham.net was by his beta tester, which in my
> opinion is really an
> advertisement.
>
> Yearly fee based software doesn't fit my idea of friendly
> software either.
>
> HRD does a fine job of rotor control, but I'd really like to
> see it have a link
> on the headings in the DX Cluster portion like the ones in
> DM780.  Now that
> would be really nice, Simon!
>
> 73,
>
> Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq
>
> "Those who would give up
> Essential Liberty to
> purchase a little Temporary
> Safety deserve neither
> Liberty nor Safety"
>
> An excerpt from a letter
> written in 1755 from the
> Assembly to the Governor
> of Pennsylvania.
>
> Support the entire Constitution, not
> just the parts you like.
>
> http://www.n5ge.com
> http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?N5GE
>
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[Bob Serwy]

I use MicroKeyer II and N4PY software for Icom and I use Eltima shared
Serial so I also can use DX4WIN (both N4PY and DX4WIN both share Com 5).  I
have Windows XP Pro and I have no problem at all.


Bob Serwy - N9RS

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
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Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 7:42 PM
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Subject: RE: [Elecraft] N4PY software for K3 now available



> Do you speak with personal experience or simply speculation?

I know from dealing with the support issues that it will not access
virtual/USB ports that have 32-bit drivers.  This is due entirely to
operating system considerations with 16 bit
code.  

> I believe Carl offers a 10 day free trial, so you can try it before
> committing to it,

That's good.  I did not see anything about a 10 day trial in my last (quick)
look at the web site.  Given that it is 16 bit code, I would recommend
anyone using XP or Vista make sure that there are no problems in their
installation.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm
> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 3:35 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] N4PY software for K3 now available
>
>
> Joe,
>
> Do you speak with personal experience or simply speculation?
> I believe Carl offers a 10 day free trial, so you can try it before
> committing to it, and once purchased, you get 1 year of free updates.
> The program is not posted for download, so you have to email Carl
> [hidden email] if you would like to try a copy.
> His subscription service is only for the updates - your copy can be
> run forever even if you stop the subscription.
> I also believe it runs on all 32 bit Windows OSs - I have had it
> running on Windows 2000 and Windows XP, and Carl states that it will
> run on anything from Windows 95 to Vista (but not isat64), and I am
> not sure about NT.
>
> I no longer use N4PY software routinely - I migrated to Ham Radio
> Deluxe because of its integration for digital mode operation, but
> YMMV, that is just my choice.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
> >> As far as I know you can't run N4PY's software without first
> >> purchasing it but there are reviews on eHam.net .
> >>    
> >
> > Be careful in committing to N4PY's software.  Last I knew it
> > was still 16 bit code and would not run with some software and
> > hardwire drivers in Windows 2000/XP/Vista.  Specifically, all 16
> > bit software is not compatible with virtual ports created by the
> > Eltima software library (e.g., microHAM Router) and the most
> > recent USB drivers from several vendors.
> >
> > I do not know of any way to determine in advance if your
> > particular system will support 16-bit (Windows 3.1) software.
> > Most authors converted to 32 bit programming models when
> > Windows 95 was released and Microsoft is reported to be
> > eliminating 16 bit support completely in the 64 bit versions
> > of Vista/XP.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> >    ... Joe, W4TV
> >  
> >
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[Joe Subich, W4TV-3]

Bob,

> I use MicroKeyer II and N4PY software for Icom and I use Eltima
> shared Serial so I also can use DX4WIN (both N4PY and DX4WIN both
> share Com 5).

I don't know what you are doing right but OM7ZZ removed N4PY
software from the compatibility list for Router (all microHAM
interfaces) about the time Router 5 was released due to the
16 bit issues.  

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Bob Serwy
> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 8:57 PM
> To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
> Subject: RE: [Elecraft] N4PY software for K3 now available
>
>
> I use MicroKeyer II and N4PY software for Icom and I use Eltima shared
> Serial so I also can use DX4WIN (both N4PY and DX4WIN both
> share Com 5).  I
> have Windows XP Pro and I have no problem at all.
>
>
> Bob Serwy - N9RS
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Joe
> Subich, W4TV
> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 7:42 PM
> To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
> Subject: RE: [Elecraft] N4PY software for K3 now available
>
>
>
> > Do you speak with personal experience or simply speculation?
>
> I know from dealing with the support issues that it will not access
> virtual/USB ports that have 32-bit drivers.  This is due entirely to
> operating system considerations with 16 bit
> code.  
>
> > I believe Carl offers a 10 day free trial, so you can try it before
> > committing to it,
>
> That's good.  I did not see anything about a 10 day trial in
> my last (quick)
> look at the web site.  Given that it is 16 bit code, I would recommend
> anyone using XP or Vista make sure that there are no problems in their
> installation.
>
> 73,
>
>    ... Joe, W4TV
>  
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [hidden email]
> > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm
> > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 3:35 PM
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] N4PY software for K3 now available
> >
> >
> > Joe,
> >
> > Do you speak with personal experience or simply speculation?
> > I believe Carl offers a 10 day free trial, so you can try it before
> > committing to it, and once purchased, you get 1 year of
> free updates.
> > The program is not posted for download, so you have to email Carl
> > [hidden email] if you would like to try a copy.
> > His subscription service is only for the updates - your copy can be
> > run forever even if you stop the subscription.
> > I also believe it runs on all 32 bit Windows OSs - I have had it
> > running on Windows 2000 and Windows XP, and Carl states
> that it will
> > run on anything from Windows 95 to Vista (but not isat64), and I am
> > not sure about NT.
> >
> > I no longer use N4PY software routinely - I migrated to Ham Radio
> > Deluxe because of its integration for digital mode operation, but
> > YMMV, that is just my choice.
> >
> > 73,
> > Don W3FPR
> >
> > Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
> > >> As far as I know you can't run N4PY's software without first
> > >> purchasing it but there are reviews on eHam.net .
> > >>    
> > >
> > > Be careful in committing to N4PY's software.  Last I knew it
> > > was still 16 bit code and would not run with some software and
> > > hardwire drivers in Windows 2000/XP/Vista.  Specifically, all 16
> > > bit software is not compatible with virtual ports created by the
> > > Eltima software library (e.g., microHAM Router) and the most
> > > recent USB drivers from several vendors.
> > >
> > > I do not know of any way to determine in advance if your
> > > particular system will support 16-bit (Windows 3.1) software.
> > > Most authors converted to 32 bit programming models when
> > > Windows 95 was released and Microsoft is reported to be
> > > eliminating 16 bit support completely in the 64 bit versions
> > > of Vista/XP.
> > >
> > > 73,
> > >
> > >    ... Joe, W4TV
> > >  
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[AA6YQ]

Tom Childers, N5GE wrote

On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 12:34:25 -0400, "Joe Subich, W4TV" <[e-mail]>
wrote:

I downloaded the DXView Rotor Control portion of it and was disappointed to find
that when entering a US callsign it always gave the same heading (somewhere in
SE USA).  That pretty much makes it unusable for anything but DX call signs.
Entering a 6 digit grid square caused recalculation based on the callsign
entered, which is another reason for not using it.

DXView is part of the free-ware DXLab Suite, available via www.dxlabsuite.com .

If you install USAP database into DXView's Databases folder, then entering any callsign issued by the FCC will produce a location/grid/bearing accurate to the center of that station's zipcode. The USAP database is freely available via DXView's row in the "Available Releases" table in http://www.dxlabsuite.com/download.htm .

Entering a 6-digit grid square in DXView displays the location of that grid square; the current callsign has no impact the calculation.

      73,

            Dave, AA6YQ

[AA6YQ]

Joe Subich, W4TV-3 wrote

> Entering a 6 digit grid square caused recalculation based on
> the callsign entered, which is another reason for not using it.

The grid field in DXView is a display field (calculated from
the coordinates given on QRZ or based on the call area if the
QRZ data is not available) it is not available for input.

Not true, Joe. Try typing a 4-digit or 6-digit grid square into DXView's grid textbox and striking the Enter key.

    73,

          Dave, AA6YQ