New Elecraft Message Board?

[Vic K2VCO]

Fred (FL) wrote:
> I'm proposing it is way past about time, for Elecraft
> Inc. to create and support an "Elecraft Message Board"
> for all its many customers and fans.  IMHO -
> this REFLECTOR thing - is about 10 years out of date,
> and an antique.  

This is a complaint that keeps popping up, like a gopher on a golf course.

*NONE* of the clever web-based solutions for "forums", "message boards"
etc. is a good a solution for this type of discussion as the
old-fashioned reflector. Why?

1) No matter how fast your internet connection is, the process of
navigation and reading messages in such a system is slower than an email
client like Thunderbird or Outlook Express. You cannot get away from the
net and server overhead. Glancing at a post to see if I want to pay
attention to it takes a fraction of a second.

2) Many of us do not dedicate time to reading Elecraft messages; we
simply deal with them as part of our regular email usage. For example,
part of my job is doing technical support for users of a product. I also
belong to several discussion groups for political subjects, etc. I get
tons of mail. By using a basic email client I can quickly scan the
hundred emails or so in my inbox and attend to the high-priority ones
first. It is an extremely efficient use of my time.

3) You can set up folders in a basic email client that alow you to file
saved messages and sort and search them in the most convenient way for
you personally. Web-based systems can barely approach the same
functionality, they are harder to use and are SLOOOOOW!

The old-fashioned reflector is efficient, appropriate technology. It is
a perfect tool for the job at hand. Don't fix what isn't broken!
--
73,
Vic, K2VCO
Fresno CA
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[Doug Faunt N6TQS [phone]]

Apologies.  That last, untrimmed, reply from me was not intended for the
entire mailing list.

Is there any reason that someone outside Elecraft couldn't set up a
"forum" that was gatewayed in and out of the mailing list?

I've mostly found the archive access gives the advantages of a forum
(with the exception of cases where a discussion extends over the
boundary between months.)

I much prefer the mailing list.

73, doug
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[Chris Kantarjiev K6DBG]

>
> For the list to change format, Elecraft would just have to do it.

And they have repeatedly said that they won't ... most recently
about a month ago.

73 de chris K6DBG
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[Phil Kane-2]

On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 14:08:04 +0200, Toby Deinhardt wrote:

>I use the support services of various companies and their
>customers at work - Some are mail lists (reflectors) and some are
>web based forums.

>In Elecraft's case my vote is: Elecraft please *do not* change
>anything.

  I second that motion.  I detest having to use a web-based
  forum when e-mail is available.

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[Fred (FL)]

Sorry for the multiple post.  I'm fighting Earthlink
this week, in upstate NY - awaiting roadrunner.
Earthlink dies and stalls, by the hour.

This MESSAGE BOARD list topic should be killed.
I imagine that no one really manages this self
perpetuating email REFLECTOR list, it just runs
itself.  I've been using Elecraft's RELECTOR
list for 2 years, and have never liked it
at all.  I was a computer engineer by
profession ............. technology marches
on.

There is no interest in this topic - story
closed.  Can someone kill the topic, please.

73, de Fred N3CSY
FL/NY - canadian/U.S. boarder
4 June


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[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ]

Chris Kantarjiev wrote:
>> For the list to change format, Elecraft would just have to do it.
>>    
> And they have repeatedly said that they won't ... most recently
> about a month ago.

Actually, most recently in my post this morning to the list. See:

http://www.ac6rm.net/mailarchive/html/elecraft-list/2007-06/msg00171.html
and
http://www.ac6rm.net/mailarchive/html/elecraft-list/2007-06/msg00170.html

Let's end this thread now. Its actually causing more email overload and
noise than many of the recent K3 threads. ;-)

73, Eric  WA6HHQ
Elecraft List Moderator

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[Don Wilhelm-3]

Folks,

I just returned from a couple days unexpected stay at the hospital, so I
hope Eric will excuse this one (hopefully) last post on this subject -

When I returned, all 144 of the [Elecraft] messages were lined up in the
proper folder, and it took me about 20 minutes to scan through them all
(I did read most of them), I sorted out 4 that I will respond to and
deleted many that were of no further interest.  I could not do that as
quickly or efficiently on any web-based forum that I have worked with.

I do contribute to this list frequently, and if it ever goes web-based,
my contributions will likely become more scarce is about all I can say
about it.

Thank you Eric for keeping this list in a format I can handle as I chose
to, rather than having some web designer who 'thinks' he knows how I
should best handle the resulting traffic.

73,
Don W3FPR


Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:

> Ahh - I see this was more about changing the list to a message board
> format.
>
> We also will be keeping the list email based. As several have mentioned
> before, it is very easy to set up your email client program to filter
> individual messages to separate folders based on words in the subject
> line or body. I use this extensively to handle the huge email load I
> receive daily. [Elecraft] list posts go to the 'Elecraft List' folder,
> and even K3 posts can go to a 'K3' sub folder. None of the list postings
> are ever seen in my main inbox.

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