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Paul Fletcher

New MAC owner - dumb question about installing K3 utility

I've downloaded the K3 utility for the MAC and that's where I'm stuck. Understand the concept of copying the utility to the applications folder but where do the help files go? Or should I be installing another way?

Sorry for asking such a basic question but I searched and can't find the answer.

Cheers,
Paul.

DF7KHK

Re: New MAC owner - dumb question about installing K3 utility

Hi Paul,
put the complete K3UtilityOSX-Folder in your Application-Folder. That's all!

vy 72/73 de
Karl-Heinz, DF7KHK
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Phil Hystad

Re: New MAC owner - dumb question about installing K3 utility

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Paul,

I am a Mac owner as well (actually, 2 iMacs and 1 Macbook Pro laptop). You can put files anywhere you want. Although it is customary to place applications (executable bundles) in the system Applications folder, they can actually be put anywhere you want. Often I will put things in other locations just for the convenience of managing files -- often the Applications folder can get quite big.

Also note that some Applications (most) on a Mac are actually what are called "bundles". A bundle is a group of related files that support the application and they appear as their own folder. This folder includes other resources that are needed by the application, especially if that application is written in Cocoa (the windows development software on a Mac OS X system). Some people put things like help files in the bundle but I recommend that you put them somewhere convenient. On my Macs I maintain a folder in the Directory folder called Documentation and that is where I put all my documentation and help files or anything else that is typically printable or readable stuff. This makes it very convenient for access.

73, phil, K7PEH

On Mar 7, 2010, at 11:48 PM, Paul Fletcher wrote:

>
> I've downloaded the K3 utility for the MAC and that's where I'm stuck.
> Understand the concept of copying the utility to the applications folder but
> where do the help files go? Or should I be installing another way?
>
> Sorry for asking such a basic question but I searched and can't find the
> answer.
>
> Cheers,
> Paul.
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Grant Youngman

Re: New MAC owner - dumb question about installing K3 utility

Just a contrary point of view. The one benefit of keeping things together for these types of apps, is that if you ever want to uninstall it, all you have to do is drag the whole folder to the trash. If you arbitrarily move things around, then you are left with "leavings" on your hard drive that won't go to the trash with the app and which you will undoubtedly forget you have stashed away somewhere. Not that anyone would ever want to uninstall the K3 utility :-)

The bigger issue is that if you move the Help folder, the K3 Utility won't be able to find it, and thus the "Help" item on the menu bar won't work.

Grant/NQ5T

On Mar 8, 2010, at 9:30 AM, Phil Hystad wrote:

> Paul,
>
> I am a Mac owner as well (actually, 2 iMacs and 1 Macbook Pro laptop). You can put files anywhere you want. Although it is customary to place applications (executable bundles) in the system Applications folder, they can actually be put anywhere you want. Often I will put things in other locations just for the convenience of managing files -- often the Applications folder can get quite big.
>

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Phil Hystad

Re: New MAC owner - dumb question about installing K3 utility

Grant,

You are right about the help folder and the K3 utility -- in my own personal case, I actually made a copy of the help folder so the K3 utility access still works. In the case of the K3 utility, I like the more direct visibility to all the help pages offered by a more visible folder location for reading through everything on the first go around.

phil, K7PEH

On Mar 8, 2010, at 8:55 AM, Grant Youngman wrote:

> Just a contrary point of view. The one benefit of keeping things together for these types of apps, is that if you ever want to uninstall it, all you have to do is drag the whole folder to the trash. If you arbitrarily move things around, then you are left with "leavings" on your hard drive that won't go to the trash with the app and which you will undoubtedly forget you have stashed away somewhere. Not that anyone would ever want to uninstall the K3 utility :-)
>
> The bigger issue is that if you move the Help folder, the K3 Utility won't be able to find it, and thus the "Help" item on the menu bar won't work.
>
>
>
> Grant/NQ5T
>
>
> On Mar 8, 2010, at 9:30 AM, Phil Hystad wrote:
>
>> Paul,
>>
>> I am a Mac owner as well (actually, 2 iMacs and 1 Macbook Pro laptop). You can put files anywhere you want. Although it is customary to place applications (executable bundles) in the system Applications folder, they can actually be put anywhere you want. Often I will put things in other locations just for the convenience of managing files -- often the Applications folder can get quite big.
>>
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W6ODJ

Re: New MAC owner - dumb question about installing K3 utility

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Just to chime in. Many installation routines look only in the Application folder to see if there is a previous version installed. If you put your apps in a random folder, these routines may be confused.

BUT, it seems that they all look at the Applications folder AND all sub-folders of the Applications folder. (Maybe that is why Utilities is a sub-folder of Applications?)

What I do is make a new folder called LocalApps that is a subfolder of Applications. (So its address is /Applications/LocalApps). I put all the user-added stuff in LocalApps to keep it segregated from the Apple standard files in Applications and /Applications/Utilities.

Shades of NeXTstep.

73,

Oliver
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On 8 Mar 2010, at 12:33 AM, DF7KHK wrote:

> Hi Paul,
> put the complete K3UtilityOSX-Folder in your Application-Folder. That's all!
>
> vy 72/73 de
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Kok Chen

Re: New MAC owner - dumb question about installing K3 utility

Many applications on Mac OS X keep support files in [/Library/Application Support] and [~/Library/Application Support].

Check [~/Library/Applications Support/Elecraft/] for the Elecraft K3 Utility support files.

Static resources (GUI, Icons, AppleScript definitions, etc) are stored in the Resources folder of the Application Bundle. Dynamic resources (the ones that the users can change over time), such as K3 hex files are often stored in [Application Support].

There are other standard folders that installers can store bundles in (e.g., Core Audio and Internet plug-ins). You can read Apple's guidelines for developers here:

http://developer.apple.com/tools/installerpolicy.html

73
Chen, W7AY

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Mike KS7D

K3 Programmer's Reference iPhone App Available

For those of you who have an iPhone and would like to have the K3 Programmer's Reference as a handy reference on your iPhone, read on.

I have developed an iPhone app that puts the entire K3 Programmer's Reference document in iPhone format for your use. It also includes appropriate supplemental information from the K3 Owner's Manual incorporated into the reference to make less cross checking necessary as you program your PC to control the K3 or write macros.

It is a free application available in Apple's App Store. You can find it by using the search terms K3 Programmer's Guide, or just K3 or ks7d. It is categorized by Apple as Reference.

It currently is the only iPhone app available that supports the K3. Hopefully some of the other K3 users will develop other iPhone apps for the K3. Enjoy.

Mike, ks7d

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k6osx

Re: K3 Programmer's Reference iPhone App Available

Nice, thank you!

Darin, k6osx

On 4/26/2010 4:47 PM, Michael Downs wrote:

> For those of you who have an iPhone and would like to have the K3 Programmer's Reference as a handy reference on your iPhone, read on.
>
> I have developed an iPhone app that puts the entire K3 Programmer's Reference document in iPhone format for your use. It also includes appropriate supplemental information from the K3 Owner's Manual incorporated into the reference to make less cross checking necessary as you program your PC to control the K3 or write macros.
>
> It is a free application available in Apple's App Store. You can find it by using the search terms K3 Programmer's Guide, or just K3 or ks7d. It is categorized by Apple as Reference.
>
> It currently is the only iPhone app available that supports the K3. Hopefully some of the other K3 users will develop other iPhone apps for the K3. Enjoy.
>
> Mike, ks7d
>
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Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ

Re: K3 Programmer's Reference iPhone App Available

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Mike, Thanks for doing this. Looks good.

In general, please ask us for permission first before reproducing our
copyrighted material for wide distribution. In general we'll likely OK
it for free apps like this, but it is a legal requirement for us to
protect our copyrights.

I'm officially giving our OK for this one. :-)

Please add "K3 Programmer's Reference (c) 2010 Elecraft, Inc., Used with
permission" to your app.

73, Eric WA6HHQ
(Wearing my Elecraft COO hat.)
===

On 4/26/2010 4:47 PM, Michael Downs wrote:

Rick Tavan N6XI

Re: K3 Programmer's Reference iPhone App Available

And if someone can format K3 ref material for Blackberry, I suspect
Eric will bless that, too. It "WBVN" to have at least a Quick Ref!

Rick N6XI

On 4/27/10, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Mike, Thanks for doing this. Looks good.
>
> In general, please ask us for permission first before reproducing our
> copyrighted material for wide distribution. In general we'll likely OK
> it for free apps like this, but it is a legal requirement for us to
> protect our copyrights.
>
> I'm officially giving our OK for this one. :-)
>
> Please add "K3 Programmer's Reference (c) 2010 Elecraft, Inc., Used with
> permission" to your app.
>
> 73, Eric WA6HHQ
> (Wearing my Elecraft COO hat.)
> ===
>
>
>
> On 4/26/2010 4:47 PM, Michael Downs wrote:
>> For those of you who have an iPhone and would like to have the K3
>> Programmer's Reference as a handy reference on your iPhone, read on.
>>
>> I have developed an iPhone app that puts the entire K3 Programmer's
>> Reference document in iPhone format for your use. It also includes
>> appropriate supplemental information from the K3 Owner's Manual
>> incorporated into the reference to make less cross checking necessary as
>> you program your PC to control the K3 or write macros.
>>
>> It is a free application available in Apple's App Store. You can find it
>> by using the search terms K3 Programmer's Guide, or just K3 or ks7d. It is
>> categorized by Apple as Reference.
>>
>> It currently is the only iPhone app available that supports the K3.
>> Hopefully some of the other K3 users will develop other iPhone apps for
>> the K3. Enjoy.
>>
>> Mike, ks7d
>>
>>
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Phil Hystad-3

Re: K3 Programmer's Reference iPhone App Available

Actually, I was thinking that formatting such information for the iPad would be
more useful. I have been thinking about the myriad of applications that might
be fitting for an iPad in my shack. What I need is the time to create them and
unfortunately I will not have that time this year but maybe someone else can
do it.

Aside from the documentation features, I am curious about using the iPad USB
audio capability for doing digital modes using something like the Signalink USB
device.

Or, a smart circuit diagram would be nice. The fact that you have a touch screen
with very fast scroll and positioning ability through finger swipes and other
gestures allows you to create a very nice 3-dimensional circuit diagram reader.
The diagram would be complete in 2-dimensions, that is, no separate pages for
continuation. And, zooming (even using finger gestures for zoom control) allows
you to go into deeper detail. For example, the top level can be like a block
diagram of the circuit layout but zooming in gives you access to greater detail
of the circuit. Of course, who is to stop this from going all the way to a great
circuit analysis program -- maybe we could call it iCap.

Just a few things I would like to see or even build myself if I have the time.
Unfortunately, my day job, vacations, other hobbies (woodworking), and just
POHR (plain old ham radio) cut into my available time.

73, phil, K7PEH

On Apr 29, 2010, at 2:45 AM, Rick Tavan N6XI wrote:

> And if someone can format K3 ref material for Blackberry, I suspect
> Eric will bless that, too. It "WBVN" to have at least a Quick Ref!
>
> Rick N6XI
>
> On 4/27/10, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Mike, Thanks for doing this. Looks good.
>>
>> In general, please ask us for permission first before reproducing our
>> copyrighted material for wide distribution. In general we'll likely OK
>> it for free apps like this, but it is a legal requirement for us to
>> protect our copyrights.
>>
>> I'm officially giving our OK for this one. :-)
>>
>> Please add "K3 Programmer's Reference (c) 2010 Elecraft, Inc., Used with
>> permission" to your app.
>>
>> 73, Eric WA6HHQ
>> (Wearing my Elecraft COO hat.)
>> ===
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/26/2010 4:47 PM, Michael Downs wrote:
>>> For those of you who have an iPhone and would like to have the K3
>>> Programmer's Reference as a handy reference on your iPhone, read on.
>>>
>>> I have developed an iPhone app that puts the entire K3 Programmer's
>>> Reference document in iPhone format for your use. It also includes
>>> appropriate supplemental information from the K3 Owner's Manual
>>> incorporated into the reference to make less cross checking necessary as
>>> you program your PC to control the K3 or write macros.
>>>
>>> It is a free application available in Apple's App Store. You can find it
>>> by using the search terms K3 Programmer's Guide, or just K3 or ks7d. It is
>>> categorized by Apple as Reference.
>>>
>>> It currently is the only iPhone app available that supports the K3.
>>> Hopefully some of the other K3 users will develop other iPhone apps for
>>> the K3. Enjoy.
>>>
>>> Mike, ks7d
>>>
>>>
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lstavenhagen

Re: K3 Programmer's Reference iPhone App Available

I'm also sorely tempted to get an iPad, even tho it's a One-point-Oh version and surely infested with the usual bugs of a One-point-Oh. But if it really pans out over time as a good multimedia device, I could see it as a neat alternative for doing digital modes; i.e. the sound card ones like PSK and AFSK in particular. Especially for portable ops due to its size.....

I'm going to go check it out at the local appl store this week (still trying to determine exactly what I/O capabilities it actually has....)

LS

Matt Palmer-4

Re: K3 Programmer's Reference iPhone App Available

Think your better off with a netbook for that kind of stuff, ipad
doesn't have i/o at all, no audio input and a fairly limited
processor, its more of a dumb tablet for web browsing and running
little apps. And for the price, you could pick up 3 netbooks and put
whatever flavor of *nix or windows on it that you like (even os x).
Not to say tablets dont have potential but currently they seem to be
little more than internet 'appliances'.

Matt
W8ESE
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MontyS

Re: K3 Programmer's Reference iPhone App Available

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I will have my iPad tomorrow, with cell phone modem. Contrary to other
posts, you can add a USB port - already have that little gizmo ready to
attach.

Monty K2DLJ

>
> I'm also sorely tempted to get an iPad, even tho it's a One-point-Oh
> version
> and surely infested with the usual bugs of a One-point-Oh. But if it
> really
> pans out over time as a good multimedia device, I could see it as a neat
> alternative for doing digital modes; i.e. the sound card ones like PSK and
> AFSK in particular. Especially for portable ops due to its size.....
>
>

Kok Chen

Re: K3 Programmer's Reference iPhone App Available

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On Apr 29, 2010, at 4/29 9:26 AM, Matt Palmer wrote:

> ... ipad doesn't have i/o at all, no audio input...

You are probably not aware that the iPad's "Camera Connection Kit"
supports a USB Class Compliant sound card.

73
Chen, W7AY

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Matt Palmer-4

Re: K3 Programmer's Reference iPhone App Available

And then an app needs to be written that supports all that, I'll still
stick to cheap available hardware over vapor ware myself. And wait
until tablets come into their own (again, I had an original newton too
bad they didn't take off with that). I do suppose someone has to be a
trail blazer.
Matt
W8ESE

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Kok Chen <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> On Apr 29, 2010, at 4/29 9:26 AM, Matt Palmer wrote:
>
>> ... ipad doesn't have i/o at all, no audio input...
>
> You are probably not aware that the iPad's "Camera Connection Kit"
> supports a USB Class Compliant sound card.
>
> 73
> Chen, W7AY
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k6osx

Re: K3 Programmer's Reference iPhone App Available

You are talking to the right guy (W7AY) about software, maybe we'll see
CocoaModem on the iPad. :)

On 4/29/2010 10:11 AM, Matt Palmer wrote:

> And then an app needs to be written that supports all that, I'll still
> stick to cheap available hardware over vapor ware myself. And wait
> until tablets come into their own (again, I had an original newton too
> bad they didn't take off with that). I do suppose someone has to be a
> trail blazer.
> Matt
> W8ESE
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Kok Chen<[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> On Apr 29, 2010, at 4/29 9:26 AM, Matt Palmer wrote:
>>
>>
>>> ... ipad doesn't have i/o at all, no audio input...
>>>
>> You are probably not aware that the iPad's "Camera Connection Kit"
>> supports a USB Class Compliant sound card.
>>
>> 73
>> Chen, W7AY
>>
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Kok Chen

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On Apr 29, 2010, at 4/29 10:11 AM, Matt Palmer wrote:

> And then an app needs to be written that supports all that...

A very basic PSK31 app for the iPod Touch has been available through
the Apple app store for a while now.

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/i-psk31/id329842689?mt=8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4SIB6wCMfs

You tune the old fashion way, using the rig's knob, urgh. But, it
does decode BPSK31 and has a small (500 Hz wide) spectrum display --
not too shabby given the slow iPod Touch processor.

(iPhone OS 4.0 will have internal support for stuff like convolutions
and FFTs, probably mirroring the vDSP framework in Mac OS X.)

73
Chen, W7AY

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lstavenhagen

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Well the problems with the tablets of the past have typically been poor performance and just being too crippled to really do anything useful. I.e., you touch it to do something and it grinds and grinds and then maybe pops u a window.... etc....

I guess it remains to be seen if the iPad gets around those problems. From the videos of it the UI seems to have good performance. Hopefully the USB support will be enough to do real I/O (tho having to buy expensive accessories might not be good for its long-term health in the marketplace).
Also, it seems you can hook a keyboard up to it through its dock (tho it's not clear to me yet what that actually does for you I/O-wise). And apple has already released an SDK for it....

So we'll see. It'd be really dandy for use with a portable PSK station for example (something along the lines of the iPod app Chen posted a little while ago)....

73,
LS
W5QD